Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[Blade6119]

Dola, im waiting on 2 people to comment on this situation...i dont want to come out till they do, but neither are on so im conflicted on what to do.

[Alan T]

I'll make this easy for everyone. Saldana is 100% good.

So if he says something about Blade, believe him and vote blade.

You all made a mistake that hurt us yesterday with the vote. Don't make a mistake today. Vote Blade and it will open things up for us. There is no possible end game Wolf strategy that Saldana would start on day 2. This is an easy decision. Vote blade.

[Blade6119]

I find it interesting that you revealed this information now.
You will find it more interesting when you hear what happened last night that i WAS involved in

[twothree]

dola, why do you not mention talking to alan at all? your role shouldnt allow that on top of spy, so what happened?

Saldana and AlanT's stories do not match up very well. Something is very wrong here.

[SirFozzie]

Roles: the head of the Navigators Guild (which travels in the Warp, the stuff of Chaos) vs The Lord Commander Millitant of the Imperial Guard

Both have reasons to be converted/bad guys. This should be interesting.

[Blade6119]

Saldana and AlanT's stories do not match up very well. Something is very wrong here.
Im pretty sure i know what happened too, but im wondering why its saldana and alan, and not the 2 i have evidence on.

[twothree]

I'll make this easy for everyone. Saldana is 100% good.

So if he says something about Blade, believe him and vote blade.

You all made a mistake that hurt us yesterday with the vote. Don't make a mistake today. Vote Blade and it will open things up for us. There is no possible end game Wolf strategy that Saldana would start on day 2. This is an easy decision. Vote blade.

Now I don't trust you at all. I believe blade. Everyone vote Saldana.

[Alan T]

Now I don't trust you at all. I believe blade. Everyone vote Saldana.

What will you do when you vote Saldana and he turns up good just like my pm told me he was?

[twothree]

Im pretty sure i know what happened too, but im wondering why its saldana and alan, and not the 2 i have evidence on.

One group could be chaos. The other group could be mutants. ?

[Fouts]

I'm waiting for blade's story. Why would he have to wait for 2 other people?

[Blade6119]

What will you do when you vote Saldana and he turns up good just like my pm told me he was?
What will you do when i come up clean? You said he came to you, he said you came to him. Then he spied on someone, but doesnt know who, who met with me out of my house, and converted me.

[SirFozzie]

This is getting curiouser and curiouser. Alan T just put his neck out on the chopping block with Saldana, which does help his side, because considering the low amount of bad guys in different groups (remember, there's two sets of bad guys, really), it would be a nearly suicidal play to put TWO members out at risk this early.

The only way it would work, is if all three (Blade, Saldana and Alan) were bad guys, and no matter who wins this fight, the others have some cachet as the ones who exposed a bad guy.

[Blade6119]

I'm waiting for blade's story. Why would he have to wait for 2 other people?
Becuase what i know happened last night involves 2 other people, neither of which is on right now. A meeting occured, but i dont know to what ends. Hence why im hesitant to reveal, as if their both good then i have screwed us bad in costing us 2 other villagers, on top of myself who will inevitably be lynched

[Alan T]

What will you do when i come up clean? You said he came to you, he said you came to him. Then he spied on someone, but doesnt know who, who met with me out of my house, and converted me.


I honestly don't know anything about you or what you did last night. I do know however that Saldana is on the Emperor's side. So whatever he is up to, I assume to be good.

[bulletsponge]

ohh crap, this happens every game and i always choose the wrong side. most of the time the 2 sides are both villagers

[Blade6119]

ohh crap, this happens every game and i always choose the wrong side. most of the time the 2 sides are both villagers
I can gurantee you this is not the case. I WAS NOT OUT LAST NIGHT, so him saying i met someone is a lie. Now, i didnt say i wansnt involved in the night actions, so dont take it the wrong way

[Blade6119]

where is the gain in this for me to be lying.
The villagers lose a rather useful power...

[saldana]

alan, would you care to clarify that our meeting was a result of your role, not mine, so that blade can stop trying to use the angle that i couldnt do two things against us.

as fozzie just pointed out, alan and i would have to be retards to both out ourselves like this today. trading two of us to try and get blade lynched would be idiotic if we were bad guys.

where is the gain in this for me to be lying.

[Blade6119]

for some reason my reply to 518 in in post 517...so look up there

[Fouts]

alan, would you care to clarify that our meeting was a result of your role, not mine, so that blade can stop trying to use the angle that i couldnt do two things against us.

as fozzie just pointed out, alan and i would have to be retards to both out ourselves like this today. trading two of us to try and get blade lynched would be idiotic if we were bad guys.

where is the gain in this for me to be lying.

Well, it was crazy for realdeal to out himself, but that didn't stop you from leading everyone to lynch him.

[SirFozzie]

for some reason my reply to 518 in in post 517...so look up there

The reason, of course is FUCKING TIMESTAMP BUG.

[Fouts]

Alan and saldana's story sounds fishy, but blade is acting weird too.

[Blade6119]

Alan and saldana's story sounds fishy, but blade is acting weird too.
If you had information that could easily save yourself, yet would damn 2 people of which you are not sure if they are good or evil, would you use it?

[Alan T]

alan, would you care to clarify that our meeting was a result of your role, not mine, so that blade can stop trying to use the angle that i couldnt do two things against us.

as fozzie just pointed out, alan and i would have to be retards to both out ourselves like this today. trading two of us to try and get blade lynched would be idiotic if we were bad guys.

where is the gain in this for me to be lying.

Saldana is right, it was my role and not his. I can't really explain fully how my role works, but I should attract others who follow our faith. I enforce the emperor's divinity among the masses. I don't know if its an every day thing, every other, or random thing.

Whats important here is that I was told Saldana follows our emperor 100%. THats good enough for me here, and I urge everyone to not side against him.

[twothree]

alan, would you care to clarify that our meeting was a result of your role, not mine, so that blade can stop trying to use the angle that i couldnt do two things against us.

as fozzie just pointed out, alan and i would have to be retards to both out ourselves like this today. trading two of us to try and get blade lynched would be idiotic if we were bad guys.

where is the gain in this for me to be lying.

This situation is spiraling out of control and I won't be able to change my vote before they are tallied. But even if it gets me killed tonight, I will say this my role allows me to know that Blade is NOT chaos or a mutant and should be fully trusted.

I hope blade can present his evidence later.

Now, I will probably be dead come morning. It was fun but I got to run. (to work)

[Blade6119]

This situation is spiraling out of control and I won't be able to change my vote before they are tallied. But even if it gets me killed tonight, I will say this my role allows me to know that Blade is NOT chaos or a mutant and should be fully trusted.

I hope blade can present his evidence later.

Now, I will probably be dead come morning. It was fun but I got to run. (to work)
Now it gets more fun...i dont know twothree or his role, but hes on the right side of this argument

[Alan T]

This situation is spiraling out of control and I won't be able to change my vote before they are tallied. But even if it gets me killed tonight, I will say this my role allows me to know that Blade is NOT chaos or a mutant and should be fully trusted.

I hope blade can present his evidence later.

Now, I will probably be dead come morning. It was fun but I got to run. (to work)

So basically you are saying you have the same role as me or one that is similar? lol :)

[SirFozzie]

This situation is spiraling out of control and I won't be able to change my vote before they are tallied. But even if it gets me killed tonight, I will say this my role allows me to know that Blade is NOT chaos or a mutant and should be fully trusted.

I hope blade can present his evidence later.

Now, I will probably be dead come morning. It was fun but I got to run. (to work)

2-2.

Guys, I think we have a chaos v Mutant slapfight going on.

[Blade6119]

Twothree's role=

The Master of the Astronomican is repsonsible for the huge galactic monitoring device known as the Astronomican. Allegedly built by the Emperor himself, the Astronomican registers activity in the Warp that may precursor any activity by Chaos. As such, it is perhaps humanity's most important weapon in the fight against the daemon entities.

SO alan and saldana, how do you counter this? Now your whole it would be crazy for 2 to come out is moot...what else you got while we wait for our other 2 pieces in this puzzle to show

[SirFozzie]

So basically you are saying you have the same role as me or one that is similar? lol :)

To be fair, Alan, there's several roles who could have that kind of power.

[bulletsponge]

If you had information that could easily save yourself, yet would damn 2 people of which you are not sure if they are good or evil, would you use it?

you mentioned last game you would do such a thing

[BrianD]

So we've got Saldana and Alan T against Blade and twothree? This is going to get very messy before it is all over.

[Blade6119]

you mentioned last game you would do such a thing
Ya, and we lost last game when path and i revealed out COT and it ended up getting each and every member killed.

They could be bad, i just know for a fact one person went to another persons house last night, and was there for a long time.

[Alan T]

Twothree's role=

The Master of the Astronomican is repsonsible for the huge galactic monitoring device known as the Astronomican. Allegedly built by the Emperor himself, the Astronomican registers activity in the Warp that may precursor any activity by Chaos. As such, it is perhaps humanity's most important weapon in the fight against the daemon entities.

SO alan and saldana, how do you counter this? Now your whole it would be crazy for 2 to come out is moot...what else you got while we wait for our other 2 pieces in this puzzle to show


I said what I had to say. I can't say anything about what you were up to last night Blade. You are the one being quiet about that. I already said all i know. Saldana completely believes in the emperor which is the extent of what my role allows me to know.

[Fouts]

If you had information that could easily save yourself, yet would damn 2 people of which you are not sure if they are good or evil, would you use it?

I don't know. Whenever I reveal something that happened at night, everyone votes against me.

[Alan T]

Ya, and we lost last game when path and i revealed out COT and it ended up getting each and every member killed.

They could be bad, i just know for a fact one person went to another persons house last night, and was there for a long time.


You said you did not leave your house last night. So how do you know one person went to someone else's house? Looking out your window?

[Blade6119]

2-2.

Guys, I think we have a chaos v Mutant slapfight going on.
2-2-2 when i drop the other 2 names...if i was bad, i would just counter and say it was alan and saldana who met, but it wasnt. One of the two i can damn should be easily able to confirm my story(which, i know, i havent shared) as he interacted with my role to some extent.

[Blade6119]

You said you did not leave your house last night. So how do you know one person went to someone else's house? Looking out your window?
We are an empire, in a sector of our own planets, in the very distant future with aliens and incredible technology. Not everything must be done in person my friend

[Blade6119]

You said you did not leave your house last night. So how do you know one person went to someone else's house? Looking out your window?
We are an empire, in a sector of our own planets, in the very distant future with aliens and incredible technology. Not everything must be done in person my friend

[Blade6119]

Can i delete one of those duplicate posts, or no?

[Fouts]

Can i delete one of those duplicate posts, or no?

Use your incredible technology from the very distant future to delete it.

[Alan T]

Can i delete one of those duplicate posts, or no?

Just like a paperpusher to do everything in duplicate! :)

[bulletsponge]

im getting the feeling that there might be 4 villagers trying to kill each other right now. Alan and Saldana didnt say they saw Blade doing anything other than meeting someone, not converting or doing nafariuos deeds.

Blade there is no way you were out last night? if you did a night order you could have been out?

i just find it very hard to believe that wolves would vouch for someone so early knowing that if a villager gets lynched because of them that they would be next on the list

[Fouts]

im getting the feeling that there might be 4 villagers trying to kill each other right now. Alan and Saldana didnt say they saw Blade doing anything other than meeting someone, not converting or doing nafariuos deeds.

Blade there is no way you were out last night? if you did a night order you could have been out?

i just find it very hard to believe that wolves would vouch for someone so early knowing that if a villager gets lynched because of them that they would be next on the list

You are quite trusting for an assassin type. Usually assassins trust noone.

[Alan T]

im getting the feeling that there might be 4 villagers trying to kill each other right now. Alan and Saldana didnt say they saw Blade doing anything other than meeting someone, not converting or doing nafariuos deeds.

Blade there is no way you were out last night? if you did a night order you could have been out?

i just find it very hard to believe that wolves would vouch for someone so early knowing that if a villager gets lynched because of them that they would be next on the list


Well like I said, I dont know anything about Blade. When Saldana made his post, I didnt react completely. It was only when Blade came out denying it and calling Saldana Chaos which I knew him not to be that I felt Blade was fishy.

[Blade6119]

im getting the feeling that there might be 4 villagers trying to kill each other right now. Alan and Saldana didnt say they saw Blade doing anything other than meeting someone, not converting or doing nafariuos deeds.

Blade there is no way you were out last night? if you did a night order you could have been out?

i just find it very hard to believe that wolves would vouch for someone so early knowing that if a villager gets lynched because of them that they would be next on the list
It possible, maybe, but only if i met with multiple people. He said i met with 1, so i dont find it likely. This was at the beginning of the night as well, before the other 2 interacted. At the end of the night, i recieved my information via comlink so i know i didnt meet anyone then

[saldana]

2-2-2 when i drop the other 2 names...if i was bad, i would just counter and say it was alan and saldana who met, but it wasnt. One of the two i can damn should be easily able to confirm my story(which, i know, i havent shared) as he interacted with my role to some extent.

ok, blade, twothree's support of you is interesting, so i will say this....if its going to be 2-2-2 and you can damn one of them, i can be swayed from you, if you evidence is valid.....i said i believe you were converted....convince me that you werent.

[Blade6119]

ok, blade, twothree's support of you is interesting, so i will say this....if its going to be 2-2-2 and you can damn one of them, i can be swayed from you, if you evidence is valid.....i said i believe you were converted....convince me that you werent.
You said you saw me meet with one person, which i am 99.9% sure was impossible due to my use of comlinks. I can damn both of them, but by damn i can say i know one went to the others house and was there for most of the night. I dont know if they are both good, so i am quite afraid to reveal and help you and your friends pick off what could possibly be a secret COT forming. You have been caught in a lie, and id like to see how my 2 players from last night say what happened before i drop my info.

[Fouts]

It possible, maybe, but only if i met with multiple people. He said i met with 1, so i dont find it likely. This was at the beginning of the night as well, before the other 2 interacted. At the end of the night, i recieved my information via comlink so i know i didnt meet anyone then

comlink LOL

[bulletsponge]

ok, i think Blade overreacted to Saldanas assertion that he met someone when he accused saldana of being a chaos. im betting all 4, Blade, 23, Saldana and Alan are most likely good so i wont vote for any right now. all those who work to uphold the empire should think hard before killing one of them because this sounds like many Villager vs Villager lynch orgies that are common

[Alan T]

You said you saw me meet with one person, which i am 99.9% sure was impossible due to my use of comlinks. I can damn both of them, but by damn i can say i know one went to the others house and was there for most of the night. I dont know if they are both good, so i am quite afraid to reveal and help you and your friends pick off what could possibly be a secret COT forming. You have been caught in a lie, and id like to see how my 2 players from last night say what happened before i drop my info.

I'm not lying about Saldana at all. He is 100% good. I'll repeat that every post tonight if it helps. :)

[Blade6119]

ok, i think Blade overreacted to Saldanas assertion that he met someone when he accused saldana of being a chaos. im betting all 4, Blade, 23, Saldana and Alan are most likely good so i wont vote for any right now. all those who work to uphold the empire should think hard before killing one of them because this sounds like many Villager vs Villager lynch orgies that are common
I will say this....mustang wondering about roles being connected might just be true if alan and saldana are bad. Connections are there if they are in fact bad.

[Fouts]

ok, i think Blade overreacted to Saldanas assertion that he met someone when he accused saldana of being a chaos. im betting all 4, Blade, 23, Saldana and Alan are most likely good so i wont vote for any right now. all those who work to uphold the empire should think hard before killing one of them because this sounds like many Villager vs Villager lynch orgies that are common

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.

[Blade6119]

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.
I hope you kill them off...they are not with me...twothree is not with me...i have no allies on the player list i know of. I know my role, and i know of a power another role has to visit another player. I expected those 2 to come out firing on me after last night, alan and saldana blindsided me.

[Blade6119]

YAY!! ONES HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alan T]

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.


Im not calming anything down. I'm good, I was told Saldana believes entirely in the emperor. Blade called Saldana chaos which he is definitly not per my PM. So my vote is standing regardless if Saldana moves his.

[bulletsponge]

You are quite trusting for an assassin type. Usually assassins trust noone.


Yes, im trusting. i trust my assassins to do thier job when called upon. but ive been a wolf before and this sounds like a wolf dream day so far. peeps are vouching for each other, a sure fire way to get lynched if the other group comes back clean. way to risky this early for a wolf.

[Blade6119]

Soooooo, GE...sleep well last night?

[Fouts]

The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him.

The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him.

Does this sound familiar in our situation here???

[bulletsponge]

YAY!! ONES HERE!!!!!!!!!!!


when they post point it out

[bulletsponge]

The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him.

The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him.

Does this sound familiar in our situation here???
whoa it does! i should read the roles.

[Alan T]

The Mutant Psyker can send one PM each night to find the other mutants. The other mutants know who he is and will vouch for him.

The Chaos Lord may PM once each night to find his followers. The other chaos know who their leader is and will vouch for him.

Does this sound familiar in our situation here???


I did not have any PMs with Saldana nor have I talked to him outside of this forum. My only PM was from Tanglewood.

Saldana is good 100%

[Blade6119]

still waiting on GE to tell me how his night went...i asked him when the day first started, and he never answered. Most of you will remember me going after GE all day, before these accusations will go out. He had a little visitor last night, hence why i was soo after him.

[Blade6119]

Screw it, greyroofoo went to goldeneagles house last night, there

[Blade6119]

from today, if i had to guess evil, id say saldana, alan, and maybe bullet...grey and GE, i dont know about yet...

[Fouts]

Any comment from GE?

[Blade6119]

Any comment from GE?
I pushed all morning for him to tell me what he did last night, and all he said was he hunts chaos and wants to win. He avoided the question like michael jackson avoids girls

[Alan T]

Come on now. After all this stuff happening at night, all 4 people are good guys? How about this scenario.

All 4 are chaos or mutant. You guys are now figuring it out and trying to calm the situation so we don't kill you all off.


By the way, Im pretty sure whoever the mutant are, they want the chaos to die. They win with all the chaos dead too.


Doesnt matter here though as I'm completely good.

[Fouts]

Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves.

So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet).

Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.

[Alan T]

Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves.

So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet).

Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.


I'm not a mutant :(

[Blade6119]

Yes, the mutants want the chaos dead before they are killed. The chaos want everyone dead but themselves.

So, maybe, alan and saldana are mutants that want us to kill blade and his buddies (twothree and bullet).

Not sure how GE and Grey fit in though.
I AM NOT FRIENDS WITH TWOTHREE AND BULLET...my only friends are my men..my loyal troops who have served with me for countless years

[Fouts]

I'm not a mutant :(

I did say maybe. I'm going to leave the thread for awhile and see what other people come up with (unlike others who said they were leaving and stuck around).

[Blade6119]

GE left....what the hell...how could he not respond to all this, especially the part ABOUT HIM

[SirFozzie]

Maybe he thinks you're a bad guy, and decided he's not going to give you any more information? *shrugs*

[Blade6119]

Maybe he thinks you're a bad guy, and decided he's not going to give you any more information? *shrugs*
He didnt give me any...as a bad guy, i would have gone back after saldana and alan and made it he said/he said...instead of fighting two, im not calling 4 out...thats not a solid wolf strategy. Though, many peoples opinions of me are rather low(espeically realdeal, man he hates me), so maybe i am just that bad

[bulletsponge]

GE is back

[Blade6119]

welcome back GE...have any comments about my claims that grey paid you a visit last night?

[path12]

Huh. Pretty wild for a day 2, no? I'm actually leaning with bullet that we have multiple roles interacting and it's quite possible that they're all good.

Now, the GE/Grey thing I would definitely like to hear more about.

[path12]

Dola, I think there are a ton of roles in this game.

[Blade6119]

Huh. Pretty wild for a day 2, no? I'm actually leaning with bullet that we have multiple roles interacting and it's quite possible that they're all good.

Now, the GE/Grey thing I would definitely like to hear more about.
I dont think so...saldana's story doesnt fit in with what i did. I am not letting this one go

[path12]

I dont think so...saldana's story doesnt fit in with what i did. I am not letting this one go

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.

[Alan T]

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.


Just like Blade saying Saldana is evil when I know for sure he is good.

Blade didn't realize that I had information on Saldana so thought he could bluff his way out of the accusation from saldana. The minute he started saying Saldana was something i know for a fact he was not is enough to seal it for me.

My vote is staying on Blade until either we lynch him or he kills me at night.

[SirFozzie]

This is just a placeholder for now.. GE, help me out here. an explanation would help, and if what I know about your role is correct..

I think we have a Dark Seer moment going with one of these two groups. Right now, I put the SLIGHTLY higher untrustworthy story to Blade's side.. but I'm open on this one.

VOTE BLADE6119

[SirFozzie]

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.

How do you prove a negative?

[Blade6119]

Valid point. You say you did not go out and he says he saw you meeting with someone. Both of those statements can't be true.
I do find it hilarious he has no idea who he spied on, only that they met me out. And he assumes i left my house to go meet someone so they could convert me.

And ironically, its saldana(who travels through the same warps chaos do) and alan(a devout religious man) attacking me the day after i get reports that grey(the head of said religion) talked his way past my troops into the house of our biggest weapon against the chaos...love how that randomly worked out

[Abe Sargent]

Geez! I have no idea what's happening, but i know some things are happening with major implications, and I only wish my role were as interesting as some of these seems to be.

[Abe Sargent]

I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later

[Alan T]

I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later


My case:

I was told in PM that Saldana follows our Emperor whole heartedly.

Saldana says he saw Blade do something

Blade calls Saldana a lier and a chaos (which I know he is not from my PM).

I can trust either Tanglewood or Blade here. I'm siding with trusting my PM and voting Blade.


Thats my case. All this other info about whoever going to who's house and comlinks and whatever I know nothing about. Just that Blade is accusing the only person I know 100% to be following our emperor besides myself right now.

[Abe Sargent]

Very well stated AlanT, thanks!

[Blade6119]

I would appreciate it if someone could lay out for me their cases against people. I'll be back later
Alan met up with saldana, then saldana went out and used his "spy/witness" role to follow someone to a meeting with me(yet doesnt know who it was), where saldana believes me to be converted.

I, THE BODYGUARD, order my troops to guard GE's house last night...i wake up in the morning and comlink the captain of the guard to ask if all went smoothly. He says it did, excecpt for the fact that sometime around midnight the Ecclesiarch himself requested entry into GE's chamber(not house like i had said before). My captain explained his orders were rather clear, but after much conversation grey talked in way into the house, becuase, i mean, who could refuse someone of his position in our empire. I get really pissed, inform the captain that he is being permanently transfered to an ice planet(somewhere named jektar), and promote my second officer into his former position.

Is that outlined enough for all of you?

[Abe Sargent]

Alan met up with saldana, then saldana went out and used his "spy/witness" role to follow someone to a meeting with me(yet doesnt know who it was), where saldana believes me to be converted.

I, THE BODYGUARD, order my troops to guard GE's house last night...i wake up in the morning and comlink the captain of the guard to ask if all went smoothly. He says it did, excecpt for the fact that sometime around midnight the Ecclesiarch himself requested entry into GE's chamber(not house like i had said before). My captain explained his orders were rather clear, but after much conversation grey talked in way into the house, becuase, i mean, who could refuse someone of his position in our empire. I get really pissed, inform the captain that he is being permanently transfered to an ice planet(somewhere named jektar), and promote my second officer into his former position.

Is that outlined enough for all of you?


Thanks Blade!

So you are not a mutant? Not Chaos? ;)

[Blade6119]

Thanks Blade!

So you are not a mutant? Not Chaos? ;)
No, just still trying to figure out how me trying to fish GE into a lie this morning led to alan and saldana calling me a chaos, twothree vouching for me,GE avoiding questions like the plague, and grey no where to be found

[Alan T]

No, just still trying to figure out how me trying to fish GE into a lie this morning led to alan and saldana calling me a chaos, twothree vouching for me,GE avoiding questions like the plague, and grey no where to be found


The minute you called Saldana chaos, I knew you were lying. That was enough for me Blade.

[BrianD]

Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?

[Blade6119]

The minute you called Saldana chaos, I knew you were lying. That was enough for me Blade.
Saldana said i met someone, which i might have believed had he said i met a group of people(my elite soldier unit i use to guard people).

I went hard after GE all morning, long before your little partner in crime accused me. My story adds up, unlike yours which took some time to get on the same page(do try to remember who approached who next time, ok?):rolleyes:

[Alan T]

Saldana said i met someone, which i might have believed had he said i met a group of people(my elite soldier unit i use to guard people).

I went hard after GE all morning, long before your little partner in crime accused me. My story adds up, unlike yours which took some time to get on the same page(do try to remember who approached who next time, ok?):rolleyes:


I stand by my story, the same story I have said all day. I was told Saldana is good, you said he is not. Thats all I know.

[Blade6119]

Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?
Like i stated early today, i think he is our seer against only the chaos. If you re-read yesterday, every time i said he was acting odd, i asked him if he smelled someone. I actively believe he was/is our best weapon against the chaos. I figured the chaos would like him dead, so i guarded him. Lo and behold, grey showed up for a little visit.

[Blade6119]

I stand by my story, the same story I have said all day. I was told Saldana is good, you said he is not. Thats all I know.
I said he is a liar about me meeting people...liar implies chaos, but i have called him nothing more then a liar, the same you are calling me.

[Blade6119]

Wait. Blade, you ordered protection for GE last night? Weren't you calling him out both yesterday and today? Why would you protect him if you thought he was bad?
dola, today i went HARD after him knowing he was visited last night. Figured he was converted, and coming out after greyroo would be too obvious and give my role away. So i tried to bait him into something, but he never bit...then saldana came out and the rest is history

[saldana]

my role is basically a witness/spy. i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted. i am sure he will have some sort of explanation for this, which i cant wait to see.

i will quote myself here just for blade....no where do i say that Blade went out....i said someone else went out and went to him, so that portion of your defense is about as meaningful as a jbmagic post.

[Alan T]

Come on sal, lay it on me. Lets hear what the big bad wolf has to say about me


I must have misread this then. My assumption here was that you were calling him a wolf. I know 100% that he follows the emperor, so I stand by what i said. This was the post that caused me to vote for you. Until then I was mostly intrigued to what was going on.

[Blade6119]

I stand by my story, the same story I have said all day. I was told Saldana is good, you said he is not. Thats all I know.
All i know is grey visited GE, and it was my troops, not me, who were out last night. I have to assume then when saldana says he saw me out he is lying.

Twothree said he KNOWS i am telling the truth...the equivalent of you...so basically it comes to my story can be proven, and saldanas cant...odd, no?

[Blade6119]

I must have misread this then. My assumption here was that you were calling him a wolf. I know 100% that he follows the emperor, so I stand by what i said. This was the post that caused me to vote for you. Until then I was mostly intrigued to what was going on.
Note i said after that saldana is either making a big mistake or is lying, presumably for reasons of evil. My night action had nothing to do with him, i didnt see him, talk to him, my troops didnt question him...i know stuff about grey and GE, saldana just pushed himself into my spotlight with a story that doesnt add up with mine.

[Alan T]

All i know is grey visited GE, and it was my troops, not me, who were out last night. I have to assume then when saldana says he saw me out he is lying.

Twothree said he KNOWS i am telling the truth...the equivalent of you...so basically it comes to my story can be proven, and saldanas cant...odd, no?


Ok, I have to go soon, but before I go, humor me. Why would someone I know follows the emperor 100% fabricate a story about someone else who reports to be good? I have no idea why this would ever occur. Thus you see why i feel you are trapped in a story that you couldn't bluff out of?

[Blade6119]

i will quote myself here just for blade....no where do i say that Blade went out....i said someone else went out and went to him, so that portion of your defense is about as meaningful as a jbmagic post.
to a location? My PM from tangle clearly stated grey went to GE's chamber...i highly doubt he would say that in mine, but would call a converter coming to me a location.

[Blade6119]

Ok, I have to go soon, but before I go, humor me. Why would someone I know follows the emperor 100% fabricate a story about someone else who reports to be good? I have no idea why this would ever occur. Thus you see why i feel you are trapped in a story that you couldn't bluff out of?
I have to assume your evil as well. LONG before your buddy accused me, i was all over GE. From when i first logged in i spent all my morning trying to get GE to say what happened last night. Read the posts...I didnt have to bluff my way out of any story at the time, i was following my role info.

Ironic, saldana picked the one person with as much baggage from day 1 to accuse, but yet wont say who he followed or where they met me. Just someone who met me at a location...alan, im not trying to sway you, this is for everyone else. You, my dear friend, are a lost cause in my mind.

[Alan T]

to a location? My PM from tangle clearly stated grey went to GE's chamber...i highly doubt he would say that in mine, but would call a converter coming to me a location.


For whatever its worth, in my pm are the words chambers and Quarters both. But that still doesnt change the fact you are openly trying to push to lynch the only 100% known good guy for me.

[Blade6119]

For whatever its worth, in my pm are the words chambers and Quarters both. But that still doesnt change the fact you are openly trying to push to lynch the only 100% known good guy for me.
Like i said, im not trying to sway you...you have made up your mind, and such is. I am the bodyguard, i ordered the protection of GE, grey talked his way past my men, and thats all i know. Saldana has his story about me that conflicts with mine...so i must assume he is lying

[BrianD]

dola, today i went HARD after him knowing he was visited last night. Figured he was converted, and coming out after greyroo would be too obvious and give my role away. So i tried to bait him into something, but he never bit...then saldana came out and the rest is history

Gotcha. I seemed to remember you attacking him more than that, but I can't find any particular post that corresponds to my memory. I must be mis-remembering.

[Alan T]

I have to assume your evil as well. LONG before your buddy accused me, i was all over GE. From when i first logged in i spent all my morning trying to get GE to say what happened last night. Read the posts...I didnt have to bluff my way out of any story at the time, i was following my role info.

Ironic, saldana picked the one person with as much baggage from day 1 to accuse, but yet wont say who he followed or where they met me. Just someone who met me at a location...alan, im not trying to sway you, this is for everyone else. You, my dear friend, are a lost cause in my mind.


Then my vote stays on you. I assume I'm as good as dead tonight anyways. I can't ever stay alive longer than day 3 in these games, but as long as you are accusing known good guys my vote stays on you this game.

Heading out for a while. probably will be back in to check on things before dinner.

[saldana]

All i know is grey visited GE, and it was my troops, not me, who were out last night. I have to assume then when saldana says he saw me out he is lying.

Twothree said he KNOWS i am telling the truth...the equivalent of you...so basically it comes to my story can be proven, and saldanas cant...odd, no?

so you are asserting that you did not meet in person with anyone at all last night?

[Blade6119]

so you are asserting that you did not meet in person with anyone at all last night?
I issued my orders to my men at the beginning of the night, and it was men, not some guy you followed, then spent the night asleep. In the morning, i used my comlink to talk to my now exiled captain and he informed me of the nights actions.

I say 99.9% sure i didnt, just incase you somehow saw me issue orders to my men and confused an elite squad of soldiers with some guy(highly unlikely in my mind)...so no, i didnt

[Blade6119]

Gotcha. I seemed to remember you attacking him more than that, but I can't find any particular post that corresponds to my memory. I must be mis-remembering.
I went hard after realdeal day one, and day 2 i went hard after GE...might you be remembering my realdeal attacks for attacks on GE?

[path12]

Until all this gets straightened out a bit more in my mind (and I need to go back and reread a bit), I think I'll toss out an initial vote for the person who seems the most suspicious to me in this whole damn drama:

VOTE GREYROOFOO

[BrianD]

Saldana, did you see who met with Blade? If not, why did you follow this person?

I'm wondering if we are reading too much into this meeting. We've got fingers pointed at Blade because of this meeting, and we've got fingers pointed at Saldana because this meeting "never happened".

This seems like great misdirection, but I don't know which way the misdirection is going.

[saldana]

I issued my orders to my men at the beginning of the night, and it was men, not some guy you followed, then spent the night asleep. In the morning, i used my comlink to talk to my now exiled captain and he informed me of the nights actions.

I say 99.9% sure i didnt, just incase you somehow saw me issue orders to my men and confused an elite squad of soldiers with some guy(highly unlikely in my mind)...so no, i didnt


blade is lying.

i very clearly saw blade and another person speaking. i dont know who the other person was, i only saw blade. this is the same story i have been telling all day.

blade is lying.

[Blade6119]

blade is lying.

i very clearly saw blade and another person speaking. i dont know who the other person was, i only saw blade. this is the same story i have been telling all day.

blade is lying.
You say so, and alan says your clean...i say your lying, and twothree says im clean.

Only difference is either greyroofoo or GE can verify my story, your is unverifiable(wow, who would have guessed that)

[saldana]

anyone got a count?

[Blade6119]

well, GE left again, but here comes greyroofoo

[Blade6119]

Saldana, did you see who met with Blade? If not, why did you follow this person?
Come on sal, dont ignore the questions of your fellow players. Think quickly, need a good lie to answer this question

[bulletsponge]

You say so, and alan says your clean...i say your lying, and twothree says im clean.

Only difference is either greyroofoo or GE can verify my story, your is unverifiable(wow, who would have guessed that)


Hmm so Grey and GE are hanging you out to dry. if they are good they will verify this meeting. if they are bad they will bring suspision on themselves.

Unvote Chief Rum

Vote Greyroofoo

[bulletsponge]

Blade did you announce that you were going to guard GE so anyone would know?

[saldana]

Come on sal, dont ignore the questions of your fellow players. Think quickly, need a good lie to answer this question


perhaps one should scroll up before one becomes quite so cocky.

[bulletsponge]

Grey speak up, did you visit GE last night?

[Blade6119]

Blade did you announce that you were going to guard GE so anyone would know?
No one knew i was the bodyguard...in fact, i tried to down play my role by saying i was useless. If i told people i was going to guard GE, the bad guys wouldnt have attacked. No, i didnt, and wouldnt again if i had the chance.

[Blade6119]

perhaps one should scroll up before one becomes quite so cocky.
Please, quote your reply to brainDs post..i see none...post # would help too

[saldana]

question for Path....are there any restrictions on who you put in the secure cell each night, such as an every other or no repeats?

[Blade6119]

question for Path....are there any restrictions on who you put in the secure cell each night, such as an every other or no repeats?
Before he answers, i can say i have no such restriction on my role...see if he has any different.

[saldana]

Please, quote your reply to brainDs post..i see none...post # would help too


616

i can see how you could have missed it since its the very next one after BrianD's:rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

616

i can see how you could have missed it since its the very next one after BrianD's:rolleyes:
You posted that in response to one of my comments...

If you want to say it was to brian, then answer the second of his two questions. :rolleyes: back :p

[BrianD]

Saldana, I'd still like an answer to my questions. Did you meet with Blade? If not, why did you follow this person? I'll also add another one, and wording in important here...Did you see this person and Blade talking, or did you just see this person go to Blade's quarters?

[SirFozzie]

Blade, you ain't doing a good job of defending yourself so far... if you got something big, now's the time.

[BrianD]

Sal, I see where your post 616 sort of answers my questions, but I'm looking for you to respond directly to me. I want to look in your eyes as you speak to see if I can trust you. :)

[Blade6119]

Blade, you ain't doing a good job of defending yourself so far... if you got something big, now's the time.
Im the bodygaurd, i sent my elite Space Marines to guard GE, he was paid a visit by greyroofoo. Two three says im clean. How is this a worse argument then saldana saying he followed someone, doesnt know who, to a place, doesnt know where, at which point he assumes random person converts me. Im sorry, i fail to see how me naming names and locations that can be verified is better then saldana claiming no other names and no locations.

Both of us have someone who can 100% clear us apparently, so dont use alan as your reason

[saldana]

You posted that in response to one of my comments...

If you want to say it was to brian, then answer the second of his two questions. :rolleyes: back :p

i am enjoying you pretending you dont know how the witness mechanic works.

in response to briand's second question: i didnt have to specify who i wanted to follow, only that i wanted to go out...tanglewood did the rest as far as my finding any information out.

[Blade6119]

i am enjoying you pretending you dont know how the witness mechanic works.
Witness mechanic works for you to witness a night kill. No night kill occured. Or maybe you could have claimed you followed him to my chamber, but you didnt. You were as vauge and provided as little facts as possible, where as i told you what, where, who, what time, what role both have, the planet i exiled my captain to, and that i replaced him already.

Am i the only one who sees the utter un-balance of facts given?

[BrianD]

i am enjoying you pretending you dont know how the witness mechanic works.

in response to briand's second question: i didnt have to specify who i wanted to follow, only that i wanted to go out...tanglewood did the rest as far as my finding any information out.

So your role is that...you can go out at night?

[GoldenEagle]

Grey and I did meet last night. He came into my quaters and we had a heart to heart discussion about Blade. We both came to the conclussion that Blade is not chaos. I was prepard to kill Blade on the spot like I did Daddy Torgo, but it would be a mistake.

[Greyroofoo]

sorry, I was reading through the last 5 pages.

<seriousness>Blade speaks truth.</seriousness>

<joking>GE wanted to show me his copy of FOF 40k :)</joking>

[Blade6119]

Grey and I did meet last night. He came into my quaters and we had a heart to heart discussion about Blade. We both came to the conclussion that Blade is not chaos. I was prepard to kill Blade on the spot like I did Daddy Torgo, but it would be a mistake.
You discussed me?? wow, interesting...

Either way, lets see saldana spin this bad boy

[Blade6119]

Grey and I did meet last night. He came into my quaters and we had a heart to heart discussion about Blade. We both came to the conclussion that Blade is not chaos. I was prepard to kill Blade on the spot like I did Daddy Torgo, but it would be a mistake.
You discussed me?? wow, interesting...

Either way, lets see saldana spin this bad boy

[Blade6119]

sorry, I was reading through the last 5 pages.

<seriousness>Blade speaks truth.</seriousness>

<joking>GE wanted to show me his copy of FOF 40k :)</joking>
Thank you!...grey, can you confirm you talked to my troops, and not just met GE

[GoldenEagle]

Damn Blade, calm down on that "Post Reply" button.

[BrianD]

So Blade guards GE, and Grey talks his way in by GE so they can talk about Blade? I don't buy it. That is just way too convenient.

Is it possible that Blade, GE, Grey, Saldana, and Alan are all lying? That seems like too many, doesn't it?

[Greyroofoo]

Thank you!...grey, can you confirm you talked to my troops, and not just met GE

After much persuasion, the Captain of the Guard could not refuse entry of the Ecclesiarch.

[bulletsponge]

hmm what to think now

[Blade6119]

After much persuasion, the Captain of the Guard could not refuse entry of the Ecclesiarch.
Great, thats almost to a T how my PM worded it. Now i feel rather vindicated

[Greyroofoo]

So Blade guards GE, and Grey talks his way in by GE so they can talk about Blade? I don't buy it. That is just way too convenient.

Is it possible that Blade, GE, Grey, Saldana, and Alan are all lying? That seems like too many, doesn't it?

that would be a LOT of chaos drawing themselves into the open at least for Blade, Saldana, and I

[Greyroofoo]

Bah, I mean GE instead of Saldana

[bulletsponge]

whoa wait 1 min.... grey and GE both show up at the same time to give thier story, GE was on all day off and on. almost like he was waiting for grey to show up so they can get thier story straight. anyone else find this coincidental with them

[Blade6119]

So Blade guards GE, and Grey talks his way in by GE so they can talk about Blade? I don't buy it. That is just way too convenient.

Is it possible that Blade, GE, Grey, Saldana, and Alan are all lying? That seems like too many, doesn't it?
Brian, if it helps your mind i highly doubt they discussed me...note grey not saying they discussed me...What their comments should tell you is i speak the truth. All 4(alan, saldana, grey, and now GE) are top suspects to me. But this should all certify my story as fact, and therefore cast a rather bad light on saldana

[Blade6119]

whoa wait 1 min.... grey and GE both show up at the same time to give thier story, GE was on all day off and on. almost like he was waiting for grey to show up so they can get thier story straight. anyone else find this coincidental with them
Yes, highly...and im rather certain their lying about talking about me...but i think which ever road we take, alan/saldana or GE/grey, we should hit a bad guy

[Blade6119]

dola, bullet....tonight might be a good time for you to have some fun with your role

[Greyroofoo]

Alas, a coincidence is all it is. I have no pm ability so it would be impossible for us to coordinate

[Blade6119]

Alas, a coincidence is all it is. I have no pm ability so it would be impossible for us to coordinate
most wolves us AIM or MSN messenger nowadays...much faster, and not detectable if someone were to cheat and use whos online or view user profiles

[Blade6119]

Whats wrong saldana, cat got your tongue...you are still in thread for all this, lets hear your spin on it

[st.cronin]

I think I will be voting Blade, as his story makes the least amount of sense.

[Greyroofoo]

i don't IM ANYONE on this board.

[Blade6119]

I think I will be voting Blade, as his story makes the least amount of sense.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

It just got confirmed by 2 other players...not to mention twothree saying im clean...thats three people verifying my account of things, 2 more then anyone else can muster.

[Blade6119]

i don't IM ANYONE on this board.
I didnt accuse you of it, i just stated a fact. It has quickly become the preferred method for wolves

[GoldenEagle]

I have been working all day. I have been leaving the thread up and catching up when I can. MSN or any sort of chat program is banned while I am at work.

[bulletsponge]

yea im swingin with blade this time.

Blade who do you think is most likely a badie here?

[bulletsponge]

I didnt accuse you of it, i just stated a fact. It has quickly become the preferred method for wolves


BOOOOO to anyone who does this. unless your allowed to talk freely as wolves you shouldnt do this. i know i havnt when i was a wolf

[Blade6119]

yea im swingin with blade this time.

Blade who do you think is most likely a badie here?
I would think saldana, as GE and grey, for all their oddities, might be good. Saldana openly calls my story a lie, which i know, and now 3 others know, to be a false claim. My vote is on him, since its possible ge and grey met for reasons of good(though not likely) while saldana is leaving no room for middle ground.

To be honest, i think all 4 are bad, but babysteps are required

[bulletsponge]

I have been working all day. I have been leaving the thread up and catching up when I can. MSN or any sort of chat program is banned while I am at work.


hehe sounds like me, minus the work and plus FM06

[Blade6119]

BOOOOO to anyone who does this. unless your allowed to talk freely as wolves you shouldnt do this. i know i havnt when i was a wolf
Wolves are allowed to talk freely(not this game) most of the time...this game its not really an option, so i dont think they did

[st.cronin]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

It just got confirmed by 2 other players...not to mention twothree saying im clean...thats three people verifying my account of things, 2 more then anyone else can muster.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Saldana says he thinks there was a conversion, and baits you somehow. You say ... I forget exactly what. But saldana then points a finger at you. You point the finger back at him. AlanT joins in and says saldana is not a wolf. After much hemming and hawing, you say that you saw GE and greyroofoo meet. GE and greyroofoo say that they did meet.

Now, GE and greyroofoo meeting does not clear you in any way, as far as I can tell. All it means is that you were aware of their meeting.

[SirFozzie]

That's the way I read it, too.. st.cronin

[st.cronin]

dola

I think there was a conversion last night. I have no idea who was converted, but I assume one of the players in this drama was either converted or converter.

[Blade6119]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Saldana says he thinks there was a conversion, and baits you somehow. You say ... I forget exactly what. But saldana then points a finger at you. You point the finger back at him. AlanT joins in and says saldana is not a wolf. After much hemming and hawing, you say that you saw GE and greyroofoo meet. GE and greyroofoo say that they did meet.

Now, GE and greyroofoo meeting does not clear you in any way, as far as I can tell. All it means is that you were aware of their meeting.
Saldana tries to bait me, fails, so flat out says he thinks i was converted. I say its a total lie. Alan says saldana is not a wolf. TwoThree then says i am not a wolf. I then reveal im the bodyguard, and ordered my men to guard GEs house, at which greyroofoo shows up and talks his way past my guards. GE then confirms grey came, grey confirms he came and talked to my guards(my captain to be exact, which we both stated, and he got by becuase of his title in our empire, which we both stated). Saldana is around for awhile after this all comes out, but says nothing.

[Blade6119]

The fact he confirmed he talked to my guards proves i did in fact order GE to be guarded, if you missed the point.

[path12]

question for Path....are there any restrictions on who you put in the secure cell each night, such as an every other or no repeats?

Sorry, been going back through the beginnings of this whole thing and didn't see this.

I can put two people in the cell every night, and am not aware of any restrictions as far as repeats or anything like that.

[st.cronin]

Why did your guards let him in? Does that worry you at all?

[bulletsponge]

yea, i never knew he was a bodyguard, nor does his role say he is. and grey confirms he had to go past a guard that only Blade says he put there. thats more evidence than anyone else has that hes with the Empire. do we really want to hang our bodyguard? hell no

Unvote Greyroofoo

Vote Saldana

[st.cronin]

Sorry, been going back through the beginnings of this whole thing and didn't see this.

I can put two people in the cell every night, and am not aware of any restrictions as far as repeats or anything like that.

Can you put yourself in there?

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE TWOTHREE

VOTE GREYROOFOO

I admit to being pretty confused by all this. Would like to hear some analysis from somebody not involved in the drama.

[Blade6119]

Why did your guards let him in? Does that worry you at all?
They let him by becuase he is the Ecclesiarch. He is basically the head of our empires religion, and in my mind the most powerful man in the universe behind the emperor due to our empires strict faith in our religion. Tangle said my guard let him through, becuase who could refuse the Ecclesiarch.

[path12]

Can you put yourself in there?

Yep.

[bulletsponge]

Umm Greyroofoo, why did you go to GE home last night. dont give me that weak "to talk about Blade" story either

[bulletsponge]

Umm Greyroofoo, why did you go to GE home last night. dont give me that weak "to talk about Blade" story either


dola
Golden eagle you can answer this too

[path12]

OK, I apologize for the bad formatting, but there seems to be a need for a recap of the events of today. I was taking these notes in wordpad as I was rereading, anything in quotations is an actual quote, anything not is me paraphrasing:

Saldana #409: Throws out his three possibilities (cronin/jail, repelled attack, conversion), says "interested to see if anyone knows anything about last night...why isn't anyone dead"

Blade #427: responding to GE, "so did you do anything last night? Any new information about anyone? "smell" any chaos or can confirm good guys?

Blade #441: really wants to vote for GE. says he needs to share information he has. "the fact nothing happened to him last night only worsens my fears."

King #464: References #409 as reason to vote saldana. "the bad guy "knowing" what happened at night is throwing out ideas making him look good by trying to figure out what happened".

Saldana #472: answers king, says he's right and sal is fishing. "I have reason to believe one of my 3 things happened last night, and to this point, i am pretty sure which one". Believes Blade was converted last night. Votes Blade.

Blade #474: Says he wasn't converted. Asks for detailed account by sal, "that way I can call your bluff". Votes Saldana.

Alan #480: "I'm not honestly sure what Saldana's role is but he and I were able to meet up last night and my PM said I left the discussion with a definite belief that Saldana was not bad. He's definitly not chaos, so Blade throwing the wolf comments at him don't stick." No info in PM about Blade or anything else, and not sure what Sal knows, but if Sal says he knows something will vote with him. Votes Blade.

Alan #482: rereading PM, is "entirely convinced that Saldana is fully devoted to the emperor's cause".

Blade #483: responding to Brian, "just waiting to hear what saldana says before i proclaim him a wolf for sure."

Saldana #484: Role is basically witness/spy. "i chose to go out last night, and i followed someone to a location where they met with blade. i did not see who the other person was, but since there wasnt a fight, and blade did not get killed, i am concluding that he was converted."

Blade #487: responding to #484. asks to know what order sal sent. "You had to of followed someone, so lets know who it was"

Blade #488: Asks why sal didn't mention talking to alan at all.

Saldana #490: referencing alan #480: thanks alan for support. says after speaking with alan, left room and witnessed what he posted in 484 about blade. says he could be wrong but would love to hear blades story for what happened if he wasn't converted. thinks blade reinforced his suspicions by voting for GE.

Saldana #492: referencing blade #488: says alan came to him.

Alan #494: referencing Saldana #490: "Well I wasn't surprised you were curious about me, since we were opposite on votes yesterday. I figured I was just going to keep it quiet and start building a CoT quietly without giving people hints to try to kill you at night. Since it sounds like you have a wolf here though, I figured it worth coming out to back you here. Hope someone can protect you tonight, but getting a wolf on day 2 would be really nice right now."

Blade #501: waiting on two people to comment on situation, doesn't want to come out until they do but neither on.

Alan #502: "I'll make this easy for everyone. Saldana is 100% good. So if he says something about Blade, believe him and vote Blade." Chides rest for mistaken vote yesterday, don't make a mistake today. This is an easy decision.

Saldana #518: "alan, would you care to clarify that our meeting was a result of your role, not mine, so that blade can stop trying to use the angle that i couldnt do two things against us."

Alan #524: "Saldana is right, it was my role and not his. I can't really explain fully how my role works, but I should attract others who follow our faith."

twothree #525: "I will say this my role allows me to know that Blade is NOT chaos or a mutant and should be fully trusted".

There are some things in here that raise questions. I will follow up with that in another post.

[st.cronin]

They let him by becuase he is the Ecclesiarch. He is basically the head of our empires religion, and in my mind the most powerful man in the universe behind the emperor due to our empires strict faith in our religion. Tangle said my guard let him through, becuase who could refuse the Ecclesiarch.

Were you surprised at what happened? Were you suspicious at all?

By the way, who have you voted for?

[saldana]

Saldana, I'd still like an answer to my questions. Did you meet with Blade? If not, why did you follow this person? I'll also add another one, and wording in important here...Did you see this person and Blade talking, or did you just see this person go to Blade's quarters?


sure brian....look deep into my eyes.....:cool:

1. i did not meet with blade. I met with alan earlier in the night, which he facilitated.

2. i didnt see who the other person was with blade, i didnt pick anyone specific to follow. i just sent in that i wanted to use my witness ability last night and tangle did the rest

3. i saw them talking. not fighting or anything else...just talking

[Blade6119]

Were you surprised at what happened? Were you suspicious at all?

By the way, who have you voted for?
In my PM it said i was outraged, and like i said i transferred that captain to the ice planet jerick to police some marmines or something...i was heavily suspicious, as you will note from me going after GE all morning trying to get him to say what he did last night and catch him in a lie. Then, out of nowhere, saldana blind sides me by saying i was converted and i had to shift gears.

The fact GE claims they talked about me is 100% false to me..i dont buy it...i just dont know if they are lying to protect a good secret or bad secret.

[Blade6119]

dola, my vote is on saldana, though any of saldana, alan, and grey are an ok vote to me. Im not ready to kill GE with his role's potential, yet

[Blade6119]

i transferred that captain to the ice planet jerick to police some marmines or something.
lasminers was the word i was looking for

[saldana]

does anyone have a count please?

and no blade, the cat doesnt have my tounge, i am at work, just like i always am at this time of day, and was rather busy for a period of time (and acutally still am), but didnt close the thread. which i will now, since you are being so cocky about it.

[st.cronin]

Well, boy was it lonely in my cell last night. I didn't get to talk to anybody.

Hey path, next time put somebody in the cell with me, huh???

[Blade6119]

does anyone have a count please?

and no blade, the cat doesnt have my tounge, i am at work, just like i always am at this time of day, and was rather busy for a period of time (and acutally still am), but didnt close the thread. which i will now, since you are being so cocky about it.
I know you are at work, but when you first accused me you said you only had a moment, but then proceeded to argue for 1-2 hours...i just find it hilarious the second facts come out that certify my claims as true is the second you had to get back to work. Not trying to be a dick, so i apologize...personal life supercedes this. Im just pointing it out, much like other pointing out how odd it was GE and grey posted at the same time, despite GE being around all day. Just odd

[Greyroofoo]

personally i think this is a huge case of villagers trying to execute villagers.

[bulletsponge]

Well, boy was it lonely in my cell last night. I didn't get to talk to anybody.

Hey path, next time put somebody in the cell with me, huh???


ill stay with you :) . mind if i bring my assassin friend? i promise he wont get all "staby" on you

[path12]

Ok, I will spill some beans. or at least what I think I know.

I'm not honestly sure what Saldana's role is but he and I were able to meet up last night and my PM said I left the discussion with a definite belief that Saldana was not bad. He's definitly not chaos, so Blade throwing the wolf comments at him don't stick.

I didn't have any information in my PM about Blade or anything else, so not sure what Saldana knows here, but If Saldana says he knows something then I'm voting with him.

i didnt go talk to alan, he came to talk to me

Well I wasn't suprised you were curious about me, since we were opposite on votes yesterday. I figured I was just going to keep it quiet and start building a CoT quietly without giving people hints to try to kill you at night.

Since it sounds like you have a wolf here though, I figured it worth coming out to back you here. Hope someone can protect you tonight, but getting a wolf on day 2 would be really nice right now.

I'll make this easy for everyone. Saldana is 100% good.

So if he says something about Blade, believe him and vote blade.

You all made a mistake that hurt us yesterday with the vote. Don't make a mistake today. Vote Blade and it will open things up for us. There is no possible end game Wolf strategy that Saldana would start on day 2. This is an easy decision. Vote blade.

Two things. First, Alan says he's not exactly sure about Saldana's role, but is ready to trust him. By post 502 he's actively campaigning for Blade to be lynched. That seems like a big swing from a player I find to be pretty measured generally.

Secondly, we have Saldana saying that Alan came to him and then two posts later Alan saying that he wasn't surprised Saldana was curious about him. That's quite a contradiction and I'm having problems letting it go.

[Mustang]

Damn.. 4 pages upon my return (no surprise)

Personally, at this point, I don't doubt Sal and Blade each witnessed something but, I'm not sure if either of them is bad or good. All the discussion is around those 2 but, I'm not sure if I'd vote for either of them at this time.

Notice some votes for Grey... anyone care to clarify (summarize their positions on Grey?)

Bad thing is.. I'm heading out for dinner so, need to make some decision soon. Seems like everyone is pointing towards Sal/Blade/Grey at this time and I don't have a clue of which to vote for (and not alot of time to do it..)

[Blade6119]

I have to head out, most likely until after the deadline. Right now, i actually think my head is still on the block with alan, saldana, and fozzie all voting me. I hope you guys change your mind, or others help vote someone else. Im clean, my actions have been certified by 3 different people, and im a bodyguard, capable of protecting anyone as many night in a row as i need. Dont lynch me, lynch one of the guys who tried to bluff you all into a lynch, but picked one of the very few people that could be backed up.

[path12]

Well, boy was it lonely in my cell last night. I didn't get to talk to anybody.

Hey path, next time put somebody in the cell with me, huh???

You got it. You were originally going to have company, but that person wouldn't have been able to do anything if in the cell.

But before I do I'd better ask: You're not chaos, are you?

[path12]

Damn.. 4 pages upon my return (no surprise)

Personally, at this point, I don't doubt Sal and Blade each witnessed something but, I'm not sure if either of them is bad or good. All the discussion is around those 2 but, I'm not sure if I'd vote for either of them at this time.

Notice some votes for Grey... anyone care to clarify (summarize their positions on Grey?)

Bad thing is.. I'm heading out for dinner so, need to make some decision soon. Seems like everyone is pointing towards Sal/Blade/Grey at this time and I don't have a clue of which to vote for (and not alot of time to do it..)

I'm on Grey currently, but after rereading I'm leaning toward Alan more than anyone else. Not sure what I'm going to do right now, but I need to decide in the next 40 minutes or so since I'll be gone after that.

[tanglewood]

Current Vote Count Day 2

saldana 4 - kingfc, Blade, twothree, bulletsponge
Blade 3 - saldana, AlanT, SirFozzie
Greyroofoo 2- path12, st.cronin
kingfc 1 - BrianD

Not Yet Voted: Fouts, GoldenEagle, Greyroofoo, Anxiety, Chief Rum, Mustang, Swaggs

[Greyroofoo]

Damn.. 4 pages upon my return (no surprise)

Personally, at this point, I don't doubt Sal and Blade each witnessed something but, I'm not sure if either of them is bad or good. All the discussion is around those 2 but, I'm not sure if I'd vote for either of them at this time.

Notice some votes for Grey... anyone care to clarify (summarize their positions on Grey?)

Bad thing is.. I'm heading out for dinner so, need to make some decision soon. Seems like everyone is pointing towards Sal/Blade/Grey at this time and I don't have a clue of which to vote for (and not alot of time to do it..)

I am curious what exactly the argument is against me as well.

[Fouts]

What bothers me is - blade denies going out for quite awhile, and all of a sudden he is the bodyguard guarding GE in his chambers. When reminded of not going out, now he can send his soldiers out and stay in bed with his comlink.

Very very hard for me to buy this story.

[Blade6119]

Ive given you all i have guys, best of luck with the lynch. If its me, so be it...my death would only lead to the deaths of my enemies. We have quite a few hands in the cookie jar, all thats left now is finding the right one.

[Abe Sargent]

path, this is very damning evidence, but does it point to saldana or AlanT?

[st.cronin]

path: no, I'm not chaos. I'm loyal to the emperor. I'm actually a very good candidate for jailtime, since we don't really know what will happen if I"m not around to run the Golden Throne, and I have no night actions that I'm aware of.

As for my vote on grey: It seems to me most likely that there was a conversion attempt last night. I can construct a plausible game mechanic where grey went to convert GE, and was somehow able to override the guards. It's possible that there are multiple "protectors" and each bad guy has the ability to trump a particular one ... I don't know. It's just a guess, really.

[Abe Sargent]

In fact, I'm leaning towards saldana over AlanT

Vote Saldana

[Blade6119]

What bothers me is - blade denies going out for quite awhile, and all of a sudden he is the bodyguard guarding GE in his chambers. When reminded of not going out, now he can send his soldiers out and stay in bed with his comlink.

Very very hard for me to buy this story.
I never went out, not once...i have not changed my claim on that at all. I claim to have guarded GE with my Space Marines, and grey verifies they were there. I am the head of the military, also known as the Imperial Guard. That should ring a bell about my role.

[path12]

What bothers me is - blade denies going out for quite awhile, and all of a sudden he is the bodyguard guarding GE in his chambers. When reminded of not going out, now he can send his soldiers out and stay in bed with his comlink.

Very very hard for me to buy this story.

Actually, I believe he has never claimed to be outside at all. He said that he ordered his men to guard GE, and that Grey talked his way in. Which Grey confirms, IIRC.

[Fouts]

I never went out, not once...i have not changed my claim on that at all. I claim to have guarded GE with my Space Marines, and grey verifies they were there. I am the head of the military, also known as the Imperial Guard. That should ring a bell about my role.

Here's the deal. Grey's move is suspicious, but he confirmed your story. Using Grey as cover doesn't help you.

It is possible that blade, grey and twothree are one faction attempting to convert GE.

[SirFozzie]

The thing I'm fearing most right now is we are in a good guy slapfight. Blade and crew has to know that if we do take down Saldana and he turns out to be a good guy, that him and his backers have to be next. If we take him down and he's good as well We could be handing the baddies the game on a silver platter. And it works vice versa as well.

If I had to assign % on who's evil right now.

Blade 40%
Saldana 35%
Neither 25%

[path12]

path, this is very damning evidence, but does it point to saldana or AlanT?

Well, I guess it points to both of them rather than toward Blade as I read it. I just really found Alan's initial comment which was his usual measured self transitioning to saying there's no doubt where the vote should go to be, well, jarring......which is why that pinged me more.

[Fouts]

Actually, I believe he has never claimed to be outside at all. He said that he ordered his men to guard GE, and that Grey talked his way in. Which Grey confirms, IIRC.

Come on, using his men to be The Bodyguard while staying in bed is just a load of BS.

[path12]

Here's the deal. Grey's move is suspicious, but he confirmed your story. Using Grey as cover doesn't help you.

It is possible that blade, grey and twothree are one faction attempting to convert GE.

It just seems odd for three to come out for one conversion. But then, it seems odd for two to come out for one kill also. There are plenty of red herrings here.

[path12]

Come on, using his men to be The Bodyguard while staying in bed is just a load of BS.

Then he foreshadowed it nicely yesterday by stating a couple of times how he hated having the desk job, no? This game is unpredictable enough that I rarely see a lot of foreshadowing for an accusation down the road.

[path12]

Dola, just for the record I'm not claiming to have any special insight on anybody. I'm just going off of my rereading and notes on today.

[SirFozzie]

Also.. i hate to put this out here, but we're so confused right now, it has to be done.

We need the bodyguards, the holy healers etcetera to keep GoldenEagle in the game if his role is similar to mine. My role helps us win a major victory, but if Chaos wins, doesn't matter how many heretics there would be left, unfound and unpurged.

But there is likely a role that can find the Chaos, and if there's no Chaos "group", just one or maximum two bad guys trying to hide amongst us all, would it be better to go for the minor win, rather then start searching for circles which might not exist?

The important part would be to keep the finders of Chaos alive, and less important to deal with the mutants.

[bulletsponge]

I am curious what exactly the argument is against me as well.
why did you go to visit Golden Eagle last night? the truth this time

[path12]

why did you go to visit Golden Eagle last night? the truth this time

Hear hear!

[SirFozzie]

I never went out, not once...i have not changed my claim on that at all. I claim to have guarded GE with my Space Marines, and grey verifies they were there. I am the head of the military, also known as the Imperial Guard. That should ring a bell about my role.

And take two steps forward on the suspect list, Mr Blade.

The Imperial Guard and the Space Marines (the Adeptus Arbites) are two different forces. You'd have no command over them.

[path12]

We need the bodyguards, the holy healers etcetera to keep GoldenEagle in the game if his role is similar to mine. My role helps us win a major victory, but if Chaos wins, doesn't matter how many heretics there would be left, unfound and unpurged.

You're right IMO. I could not vote GE (even though I have many questions about him) without 100% certainty that he is Chaos.

[Greyroofoo]

Food for thought for some Warhammer Scholars:

I had to talk through SPACE MARINES in order to get to GE. Would blade even have command of space marines? Are space marines part of the imperial guard?

[bulletsponge]

Food for thought for some Warhammer Scholars:

I had to talk through SPACE MARINES in order to get to GE. Would blade even have command of space marines? Are space marines part of the imperial guard?

grrrr answer me! why did you go to visit Golden eagle?

[Fouts]

Alan met up with saldana, then saldana went out and used his "spy/witness" role to follow someone to a meeting with me(yet doesnt know who it was), where saldana believes me to be converted.

I, THE BODYGUARD, order my troops to guard GE's house last night...i wake up in the morning and comlink the captain of the guard to ask if all went smoothly. He says it did, excecpt for the fact that sometime around midnight the Ecclesiarch himself requested entry into GE's chamber(not house like i had said before). My captain explained his orders were rather clear, but after much conversation grey talked in way into the house, becuase, i mean, who could refuse someone of his position in our empire. I get really pissed, inform the captain that he is being permanently transfered to an ice planet(somewhere named jektar), and promote my second officer into his former position.

Is that outlined enough for all of you?

I went back to find this post. This is similar to the hoops move from a couple games ago. He did some background research into theme of the game to come up with some information to beef up his story. Which is what blade is doing with the iceplanet named jektar. I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure it's mentioned in blades link somewhere.

blade's story is just too fishy, and I didn't trust him yesterday when he pushed for killing realdeal.

vote blade

[SirFozzie]

Food for thought for some Warhammer Scholars:

I had to talk through SPACE MARINES in order to get to GE. Would blade even have command of space marines? Are space marines part of the imperial guard?

Points you at my post two minutes before mine :D

[SirFozzie]

Points you at my post two minutes before mine :D

Dola Before yours. I hate no editing. :)

[Greyroofoo]

Points you at my post two minutes before mine :D

bah, the second time this has happened today!!!!!


Anyways bulletsponge, I fear revealing the nature of my visit is not helpful to the Emporer and the Imperium. However if you (and others) really want me to reveal the nature of my visit I will.

[st.cronin]

Wait, I'm confused. I thought greyroofoo was CLEARING Blade? Now it sounds like he's accusing him.

[path12]

Which is what blade is doing with the iceplanet named jektar. I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure it's mentioned in blades link somewhere.

For the record, I just went back to the link Blade referenced and searched for jektar. No results.

Just like GE as seer, the fact that Blade claims bodyguard at this time makes it hard to vote for him. You have to be sure about a vote like that.

I understand your suspicions even though I read the situation differently. I just can't risk losing a major role like that without being more certain.

I'm very tempted to leave my vote on Grey and let the Blade/Saldana/Alan thing play itself out at night.

[Mustang]

Food for thought for some Warhammer Scholars:

I had to talk through SPACE MARINES in order to get to GE. Would blade even have command of space marines? Are space marines part of the imperial guard?

Imperial Guard is separate from Space Marines. Space Marines would not be commanded by the Imperial Guard.

[Mustang]

Wait, I'm confused. I thought greyroofoo was CLEARING Blade? Now it sounds like he's accusing him.

You said it first.. I'm not sure what angle Greyroofoo is going on here now.

??

[Greyroofoo]

i'm confused too.

My PM makes no mention of Blade or anyone else. I just assumed GE would have guards with him.

Blade commanding Space Marines does seem odd from my very limted knowledge of the Warhammer Universe.

Even if those guards were blade's: IMO that neither clears him nor damns him.

[st.cronin]

I'm so confused, I can't even remember who I voted for.

[Greyroofoo]

Imperial Guard is separate from Space Marines. Space Marines would not be commanded by the Imperial Guard.

Thanks for clearing that up.

So either tanglewood made a mistake or blade is lying.

[path12]

I'm keeping my vote on Grey. He was seen going into GE's quarters and neither one has been very clear as to why.

I would strongly urge us not to lynch our potential bodyguard without more proof.

Out until after lynch.

[saldana]

Thanks for clearing that up.

So either tanglewood made a mistake or blade is lying.


ding ding ding ding...winner

[Alan T]

path, you've seen me in many games as both a wolf and a villager. I have never ever come out and said I believe 100% in someone.

Even in last game, the Circle of trust that I started that others hopped on, remember I said I trusted schmidty 90% there and not 100%.

This is my first time I can remember in WW games that I have ever said I trust someone is on the emperor's side 100%. Think through the scenerios why that might be.

Like I have said all day, I don't know anything about Blade, what I do know though is if you do what he is asking you to do (lynch Saldana), it is a big mistake and you lynch our witness role.

Im just asking people to think this through a little bit. I don't come out every game ranting or raving or making accusations like some players. I have a reason for it this time.

[SirFozzie]

The problem is.. now that Blade's revealed himself as the "bodyguard" (putting quotes around it because I'm not sure of it). wouldn't he be the next night's target anyway?

[Fouts]

I'm keeping my vote on Grey. He was seen going into GE's quarters and neither one has been very clear as to why.

I would strongly urge us not to lynch our potential bodyguard without more proof.

Out until after lynch.

With a jail cell, what need is there for a bodyguard? I submit there is no bodyguard.

[saldana]

i will say it one more time for those that are voting for me....

i am not sure that blade was converted....

i am 100% sure blade spoke to someone in person last night...a fact he 99.99% denied...

i asked him for a better choice and he didnt give me one, so my vote stands where it is.

[st.cronin]

Fouts makes a good point. I think there are enough holes in Blade's story to

UNVOTE GREYROOFOO

VOTE BLADE

I think I have now voted for everybody today.

[Mustang]

Does it do any good to try to vote for Sal or Blade? Seems there are 2 groups, those sticking up for Sal and those with Blade. Personally, I think either both groups are good or 1 good/1 mutant. Although, if one of them is bad and we hit upon it.. seems likely that the forces sticking up for them would be chaotic too..

Pretty risky move though and I'm not sure I would agree with this course so, I'd rather have that scenario play out more so..

Vote Greyfooroo

Only one right now that can avoid Sal or Blade getting the ax and I'd just assume avoid that right now.

Unfortunately, have to vote now as I'm heading out in a few to have dinner.

(Birthday dinner at my favorite chinese place so... :p )

[Mustang]

I don't even have a count right now...

[tanglewood]

Current Vote Count Day 2

saldana 5 - kingfc, Blade, twothree, bulletsponge, Anxiety
Blade 5 - saldana, AlanT, SirFozzie, Fouts, st.cronin
Greyroofoo 2- path12, Mustang
kingfc 1 - BrianD

Not Yet Voted: GoldenEagle, Greyroofoo, Chief Rum, Swaggs

[Mustang]

Hmm.. well, I personally don't have a strong feeling on either Sal or Blade.

Personally, wouldn't want either to die at this present time so..

Guess I believe them both currently.

I'm out.. I'll read up later.

[Fouts]

I can understand the votes on grey, but saldana? Somebody explain why they are voting that way?

[Fouts]

FWIW, after playing with Alan in previous games, there is no way he would back somebody this hard unless he knew he was good.

[saldana]

Imperial Guard is separate from Space Marines. Space Marines would not be commanded by the Imperial Guard.


interesting...went and did a little wikipediaing myself


The Space Marines
The Space Marines are one of the most commonly played forces in the game of Warhammer 40,000. Each individual Space Marine is a hardy warrior, with superior firepower, close-range combat ability and baroque powered armour. They are considered to be the finest warriors of the Imperium of Man; elite supersoldiers who can be counted on to win almost any war.

They are a unique section in the Imperium in that they are independant of Imperial law, even an Inquisitor of the Imperium, whose power and authority is unlimited (even to the point of destroying worlds), is unable to commandeer a Space Marine chapter, although on special occassions they are given command of a single squad up to an entire company. Like the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Adeptus Astartes are independent. Because of this they are viewed as dangerous, although valuable allies.

The Space Marines are heavily inspired by earlier works of science fiction, especially the Mobile Infantry from the novel Starship Troopers, and the Sardaukar from the novel Dune - and seem to have inspired later super-soldiers; notably the Spartans from Halo and the Marines from StarCraft.


The Imperial Guard
The Imperial Guard is a colossal organisation, consisting of billions of men and women from millions of different worlds and systems within the Imperium. Each regiment is a force of between three and ten thousand fighting soldiers, supported by a dazzling array of light and heavy armoured vehicles. Each regiment also has its own entourage, consisting of support staff, camp followers, suppliers, tech-priests, doctors, religious leaders, and the like.

The Imperial Guard are far more numerous than the Space Marines, for while there are only a thousand Chapters of a thousand Marines each, the contributions of some planets to Imperial Guard regiments over the ten thousand years of the Imperium runs into the billions. The Imperial Guard are constantly at war, freeing worlds from Chaotic or alien influence, or defending them from the same.

[saldana]

dola, blade commands the imperial guard, but only a primarch can command the space marines....thats another lie

[saldana]

I can understand the votes on grey, but saldana? Somebody explain why they are voting that way?
because blade says i have to be bad if i am voting for him, and people are believing it.

[Swaggs]

Time for quite a bit of catch up...

[GoldenEagle]

Grey came to me last night and we discussed Blade. I do not know why he came to me. He told me Blade was not chaos and I have every reason to believe him. Blade may be human or he may be a mutant, but he is not chaos.

I have a theory that both Grey and Blade may be mutants and they are possibly trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. But our targets are not mutants. We are trying to kill off chaos right now.

I do not know what to think of saldana and Alan T being buddies. If we kill saldana and he is clean, then it is going to look very bad for Blade and very good for Alan T.

But as of right now, this is my vote.

<b>Vote saldana</b>

[Greyroofoo]

vote blade

seems he's been caught in a little bit of a lie

[Fouts]

Interesting that you two both post simultaneously, again. What I don't get is the opposite votes.