PS4 Discussion (MLB The Show 14)

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I need to know if on-field performance will affect player ratings / progression in MLB The Show 14.

If it does, I will buy a PS4, and buy The Show 14, and play the heck out of it. If not, I will not play the game for 1 minute.

Once I found out performance doesn't affect ratings I immediately put away the game and never touched it again. Give us a reason to play our games instead of sim them.

Like being able to earn Ratings Points that you can spend on any player you want that you can only earn by actually playing in-game. This would give people a ton of incentive to actually play the games and develop their team exactly how they want to.

My question for you is does a player in real life progress because they had a good year. .or do they have a good year because they progressed?
Players stats increase because their skill level increases.

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[Yeats]

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Like being able to earn Ratings Points that you can spend on any player you want that you can only earn by actually playing in-game. This would give people a ton of incentive to actually play the games and develop their team exactly how they want to.

Why would you want to ruin the world's best simulation sports game by incorporating an arcade feature like this?

[Bobhead]

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That reminds me, I would actually really like a points system. I'm not sure what the guy above me is talking about, so let me be clear and say I'm not trying to get involved in that conversation. This is an entirely new thing that just came to my head.

The points system of past games like MVP 2005 was fun, and kept the replay value at a level far above what any other one feature ever could. Every time you completed a game or accomplished something relevant in a particular mode (such as win an all-star game or playoff game), you won "points" that went to your profile for that game.

You could spend these points on a bunch of random goodies, from stadiums, to jerseys, to old players, to alternate uniforms. I know there are obstacles to getting classic stadiums and players, but there are still other interesting things SCEA can come up with "for free" and incorporate them into a points system.

Alternate Uniforms are still possible, you can unlock special features in Diamond Dynasty (cheaper packs, idk whatever), new "training events" in RTTS, more scouts in Franchise mode, etc...

Another noteworthy thing about it though, was that it was not some obnoxious tiered system. YOU chose what you unlocked, so if you didn't personally care about classic players, you did not have to spend a single point on them.

And by the way, if we are going to take some strange stance against "arcade" features, we might as well take a stance against Diamond Dynasty, generated pitch counts, and a bunch of other things!

[ChosenBrad1322]

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My question for you is does a player in real life progress because they had a good year. .or do they have a good year because they progressed?
Players stats increase because their skill level increases.

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Yes I think they do. When you are performing good, you become more important to an organization, you get more attention, you get more confidence, you get more experience, more playing time etc

Potential ratings like A,B,C etc are good because that is a factor too. I'm not saying it should be determined by stats and stats only. An A player who is playing good should progress faster than a C player who is playing good etc maybe.

Maybe its just me, but I don't feel like there is any point to play when I have absolutely 0 control on if my players get better... Also veterans tank wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hard. Even if a 36 year old hits .350 with 45 homers he plummets down 15 overall points that year which just isn't realistic at all. It should be more of a slow decline, not from 95 overall to 78 in 1 year.

[rpagz3]

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The only reason I would buy a ps4 this year is to take advantage of the ability to carry my franchise over from MLB the show '14 to MLB the show '15 and on.. If I can somehow transfer my '14 franchise from my ps3 to a ps4 in mlb '15 via an external harddrive, or whatever, then I'd keep my ps3. Does anyone know if that's possible yet, or will i be subject to buying the ps4?

[Timmay]

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I need to know if on-field performance will affect player ratings / progression in MLB The Show 14.

If it does, I will buy a PS4, and buy The Show 14, and play the heck out of it. If not, I will not play the game for 1 minute.

Once I found out performance doesn't affect ratings I immediately put away the game and never touched it again. Give us a reason to play our games instead of sim them.

Like being able to earn Ratings Points that you can spend on any player you want that you can only earn by actually playing in-game. This would give people a ton of incentive to actually play the games and develop their team exactly how they want to.

Please no.

Development should affect stats, not the other way around

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Yes I think they do. When you are performing good, you become more important to an organization, you get more attention, you get more confidence, you get more experience, more playing time etc

Potential ratings like A,B,C etc are good because that is a factor too. I'm not saying it should be determined by stats and stats only. An A player who is playing good should progress faster than a C player who is playing good etc maybe.

Maybe its just me, but I don't feel like there is any point to play when I have absolutely 0 control on if my players get better... Also veterans tank wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hard. Even if a 36 year old hits .350 with 45 homers he plummets down 15 overall points that year which just isn't realistic at all. It should be more of a slow decline, not from 95 overall to 78 in 1 year.

I agree with you in the fact that players who perform have more value to the organization. This should be more reflected in contracts not progression.

In real life there are A prospects they are the can't miss guys. You will get no argument from me though on progression should be more dynamic.

Take the overalls out of the equation and look at the stats that resulted from the 35 and older players in the show. I tested it extensively and can tell you they still performed. The overall ratings are used for trade logic as well.

But any progression system that uses stats would be a huge mistake. What about the players who run into bad luck and hit liners right at someone and hit .250 should they get worst?

The stick jockey that hits .300 with a utility guy should he be a 90 player and the next year move up to 95?

Veterans do tank in real life. I have posted before fan graphs that show players drastically decline beginning at age 34.

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[KBLover]

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Yes I think they do. When you are performing good, you become more important to an organization, you get more attention, you get more confidence, you get more experience, more playing time etc

But do the players themselves get better?

Their ability, skills, tools, whatever you want to call it.

If an average player somehow hits .350/30/140 in a year, does his skill suddenly improve next season?

If it worked where performance drives skill growth, Brady Anderson would have become a 50+ HR player his whole career once he did it once. Instead, he reverted back to his 18-20 HR self because his HR performance didn't give him more power.

[ChosenBrad1322]

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I agree with you in the fact that players who perform have more value to the organization. This should be more reflected in contracts not progression.

In real life there are A prospects they are the can't miss guys. You will get no argument from me though on progression should be more dynamic.

Take the overalls out of the equation and look at the stats that resulted from the 35 and older players in the show. I tested it extensively and can tell you they still performed. The overall ratings are used for trade logic as well.

But any progression system that uses stats would be a huge mistake. What about the players who run into bad luck and hit liners right at someone and hit .250 should they get worst?

The stick jockey that hits .300 with a utility guy should he be a 90 player and the next year move up to 95?

Veterans do tank in real life. I have posted before fan graphs that show players drastically decline beginning at age 34.

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So I'm the only one in the entire world who is down on the fact that I have 0 control over the development of my players? I just want a reason to play the game instead of simming... cuz currently there really isn't one.

If I have a good team and I sim the whole season, I'll go 110-52 or so and win my division. If I play every game I'll go like 130-32 or something. If my seed in the playoffs is the exact same, and my player's progression / improvement is unaffected no matter what I do, then what is the point. What is the feeling of accomplishment in that? I can sim the season in 3 minutes or take 3 months to play every single game, and both results are exactly the same no matter what happens? That makes it feel like a waste of time to me.

I really am the only person with that theory of thought?

[Bobhead]

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So I'm the only one in the entire world who is down on the fact that I have 0 control over the development of my players? I just want a reason to play the game instead of simming... cuz currently there really isn't one.

If I have a good team and I sim the whole season, I'll go 110-52 or so and win my division. If I play every game I'll go like 130-32 or something. If my seed in the playoffs is the exact same, and my player's progression / improvement is unaffected no matter what I do, then what is the point. What is the feeling of accomplishment in that? I can sim the season in 3 minutes or take 3 months to play every single game, and both results are exactly the same no matter what happens? That makes it feel like a waste of time to me.

I really am the only person with that theory of thought?

Nope I'm in the exact same boat as you. I get what tabarnes and co are saying and it obviously is not the most realistic route, but to me, it'd be the most fun, and most interesting one. And it can be done correctly so that the overall sense of realism is still maintained.

[ty5oke]

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So I'm the only one in the entire world who is down on the fact that I have 0 control over the development of my players? I just want a reason to play the game instead of simming... cuz currently there really isn't one.

If I have a good team and I sim the whole season, I'll go 110-52 or so and win my division. If I play every game I'll go like 130-32 or something. If my seed in the playoffs is the exact same, and my player's progression / improvement is unaffected no matter what I do, then what is the point. What is the feeling of accomplishment in that? I can sim the season in 3 minutes or take 3 months to play every single game, and both results are exactly the same no matter what happens? That makes it feel like a waste of time to me.

I really am the only person with that theory of thought?

You're not the only one. I haven't been able to enjoy a franchise in the past 2 or 3 games for similar reasons. The game always feels a little too "Hard Coded" for my liking, just not as dynamic as I feel a baseball game should be.

Would be pretty cool of we had modification options like in OOTP.

[lhslancers]

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I'm more interested in the way the game looks and plays than anything having to do with franchise plays.

Speaking of animations they need to lose the one where the player makes a play with no one on or three outs when clearly there is no place to go with the ball when the fielder sets his feet and cocks his arm as if to throw. this game just looks and plays too good for stuff like that to stay in the game anymore.

[Lap_Down]

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Just saw the MLB14 PS4 teaser with the guy and his beard... pretty impressive. But for me... detailed player models aren't really that important since I usually skip all the cutscenes anyway. And I always use the faraway outfield camera for pitching and always see the player's back when batting... so like I think I very rarely actually see a player's face.

I am more impressed with stadium graphics and I did like at how the stadium crowd is much more detailed and varied. It always bugged me seeing all the clones in the stands, especially when they would stand up at the same time.

[KBLover]

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If I have a good team and I sim the whole season, I'll go 110-52 or so and win my division. If I play every game I'll go like 130-32 or something. If my seed in the playoffs is the exact same, and my player's progression / improvement is unaffected no matter what I do, then what is the point. What is the feeling of accomplishment in that? I can sim the season in 3 minutes or take 3 months to play every single game, and both results are exactly the same no matter what happens? That makes it feel like a waste of time to me.

I really am the only person with that theory of thought?

I have pretty much think the other way. I wouldn't feel much accomplishment in having a good season with an average/hit-or-miss player if I could "buy up" his ability or that he gets better (and thus loses his weaknesses, making it more and more easy to continue doing well with him, making it more likely he'll grow, etc) because I'm on a hot streak with him.

Just like with my Wil Myers right now. He's on a 34-game hit streak that started from a hot September in the prior season. If it used that to progress him, his starting over .400 now would feel less special because he'd get bumped up. Right now, he's a 2nd-year player on a great start and trying to keep his streak going, with still his good-but-not-great ratings. It's more of an accomplishment for me that I've kept it going with only a decent amount of growth.

I wouldn't want to see what Longoria's ratings would be under a performance/XP buy system with the season he had for me in my last season. .360 AVG, 40 HR despite missing a lot of time early, hit .440 vs LHP. The thought is a bit scary

[My993C2]

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It's not a show stopper, but it would be nice to see this fixed in the PS4 version and if I was a regular Boston Red Sox player, I might find this annoying game after game. Last night after playing my own Rockies MLB 13 The Show game, I noticed the Yankees were in Boston to play the Red Sox and since I had some time before bed I thought why not, let's watch the cpu vs cpu game. At Fenway, the Green Monster shows the AL East Standings and at least in the MLB 13 PS3 version of the game, the standings are not accurate at all for the current season. If MLB 13 The Show can show the out of town scores (assuming you have already played or simmed the games for that given day), why can't they also show the most up to date division standings? Not sure how many other ball parks show the division standings, but it would be nice to see this fixed in the PS4 iteration. Heck fix it in the PS3 as well.