MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[redsox4evur]

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I don't really see a team wanting two shortstop prospects (Baez's natural position). I'm sure Beane wants some kind of retribution for the way that Epstein pulled one over on him after the Samardzija and Russell trade. Remember the Cubs traded Samardzija and Hammel for Russell and McKinney. Now the Cubs have Hammel back and a gold-glove caliber 22-year old shortstop in Russell. It's safe to say the Cubs got the better end of that deal already.

With that in mind I would imagine the A's would want some pitching prospects thrown in for Gray. I doubt they would want Torres AND Baez, especially since the A's are in a partial, if not full-blown rebuild.

I think Gleyber Torres, centerfielder Albert Almora (Cubs 1st overall pick a few years back), and a pair of pitching prospects (any two besides Dwayne Underwood) would likely do the trick.

You have to give up quality to get quality. You are looking at a package like Soler, Torres +. You are asking for a 26 year old Cy Young contender with 3+ years of control left. Hell if he was on a good team he might even have one. That is going to hurt a lot. But if you don't want to move Soler you are looking at Torres and Underwood. And the complete **** up by Beane is definitely a factor in these discussions, he will make sure he gets more value from the Cubs than any other team because of the Shark trade.

[Gagnon39]

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Baez can play all over the field, and Torres is so far off that it's a non-factor. He's like 19. They would happily take Baez + Torres. Theo did the exact same thing, stockpile SS, they're versatile.

Baez is young enough to be a part of a "full blown rebuild" so there's not really a conversation there. Like I said in my last post.. Baez or Soler would be included in any deal for Gray, period. There's ways to get around that, but it's not realistic imo.

I hear where you're coming from. And I don't completely disagree.

But Torres is on a faster track to the Majors than Russell was and that's saying something. His ETA is 2018. He's expected to be up by 2018 and he'll be 20-21 (I know Russell was 21 as well).

The thing about Baez is that (and I like to believe I don't overinflate Cubs prospects value) I think his stock has dropped big time. And most people are still uncertain about Soler. His defense is obviously questionable. The next few months are huge for both Baez and Soler. Cubs are trying (as I'm sure you're aware) to make Baez like Zobrist, which is ironic because I thought that was the initial reason the Cubs acquired Ben Zobrist. But now he's apparently sticking at second base.

When it comes down to it, if the Athletics are willing to give up Gray for Torres and Baez, I'm pretty sure I pull that trigger.

And let's not forget Vogelbach. The dude is a DH. I don't expect him to stay on the Cubs 40-man for the entire season. He could/would be included in this as well.

Torres, Vogelbach and a pitching prospect... that's a pretty good deal to me. But if the Cubs had to throw in Baez, so be it. I don't see them giving up Soler unless they fill the outfield void now. If Schwarber was playing it would be a no-brainer to trade Soler.

[Gagnon39]

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Side note... this is probably my favorite thread every year. Where we get to act like "expert" GM's. I honestly love the discussion here and I use it frequently when making deals (or not making deals) in my franchise.

[Gagnon39]

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And the complete **** up by Beane is definitely a factor in these discussions, he will make sure he gets more value from the Cubs than any other team because of the Shark trade.

Agreed, 100%. In fact I think that is the biggest obstacle to getting Sonny Gray of all.

Additional side note: Sorry for the three consecutive posts...

[k_mac]

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I hear where you're coming from. And I don't completely disagree.

But Torres is on a faster track to the Majors than Russell was and that's saying something. His ETA is 2018. He's expected to be up by 2018 and he'll be 20-21 (I know Russell was 21 as well).

The thing about Baez is that (and I like to believe I don't overinflate Cubs prospects value) I think his stock has dropped big time. And most people are still uncertain about Soler. His defense is obviously questionable. The next few months are huge for both Baez and Soler. Cubs are trying (as I'm sure you're aware) to make Baez like Zobrist, which is ironic because I thought that was the initial reason the Cubs acquired Ben Zobrist. But now he's apparently sticking at second base.

When it comes down to it, if the Athletics are willing to give up Gray for Torres and Baez, I'm pretty sure I pull that trigger.

And let's not forget Vogelbach. The dude is a DH. I don't expect him to stay on the Cubs 40-man for the entire season. He could/would be included in this as well.

Torres, Vogelbach and a pitching prospect... that's a pretty good deal to me. But if the Cubs had to throw in Baez, so be it. I don't see them giving up Soler unless they fill the outfield void now. If Schwarber was playing it would be a no-brainer to trade Soler.

Eh, don't read into those MLB.com ETAs too much. Lets not forget, he's only in A ball. All it would take is a little regression or a struggle in AA/AAA and that number goes up. I'm not saying I don't like the guy as a prospect, but you have to remember he's just that, a prospect (and a very young one at that). Either way, I think he doesn't "beat" Russell to the majors in that sense.

The Cubs knew going into the Zobrist signing that he wanted to strictly play 2B, but yes, Baez has multi-positional ability. He looked good in the OF and all over the infield in the spring, he even played 1st and didn't look bad.

You're absolutely overvaluing Vogelbach though, he's a hitter with no defensive home. That hits his value hard. He'd be a better 3rd piece than a 2nd in a deal. Torres + Vogelbach + any of the Cubs pitching prospects is nowhere near what the A's could get for Gray. Baez/Soler + Torres + Vogelbach is a very good start, at least.

[Gagnon39]

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Eh, don't read into those MLB.com ETAs too much. Lets not forget, he's only in A ball. All it would take is a little regression or a struggle in AA/AAA and that number goes up. I'm not saying I don't like the guy as a prospect, but you have to remember he's just that, a prospect (and a very young one at that). Either way, I think he doesn't "beat" Russell to the majors in that sense.

The Cubs knew going into the Zobrist signing that he wanted to strictly play 2B, but yes, Baez has multi-positional ability. He looked good in the OF and all over the infield in the spring, he even played 1st and didn't look bad.

You're absolutely overvaluing Vogelbach though, he's a hitter with no defensive home. That hits his value hard. He'd be a better 3rd piece than a 2nd in a deal. Torres + Vogelbach + any of the Cubs pitching prospects is nowhere near what the A's could get for Gray. Baez/Soler + Torres + Vogelbach is a very good start, at least.

You're probably right about me overvaluing Vogelbach but he'd still be a good piece for a trade with an AL team. And yeah, Baez was named the backup first baseman for the Cubs earlier in Spring Training. But with his setbacks(s) I'm not sure who it is now. I guess maybe Ross or KB. It does pose a difficult decision whether to give up Baez or Soler. If Baez is to be the new super-utility guy and trading Soler would leave a weak spot in the outfield with Schwarber out. Like I said, if Schwarber wasn't out I'd do Torres, Soler and Vogelbach in a heartbeat for Gray.

What about Bruce? What do you guys think it takes to get him? That would allow for trading Soler to Oakland but Acquiring both would deplete the farm considerably.

[k_mac]

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You're probably right about me overvaluing Vogelbach but he'd still be a good piece for a trade with an AL team. And yeah, Baez was named the backup first baseman for the Cubs earlier in Spring Training. But with his setbacks(s) I'm not sure who it is now. I guess maybe Ross or KB. It does pose a difficult decision whether to give up Baez or Soler. If Baez is to be the new super-utility guy and trading Soler would leave a weak spot in the outfield with Schwarber out. Like I said, if Schwarber wasn't out I'd do Torres, Soler and Vogelbach in a heartbeat for Gray.

What about Bruce? What do you guys think it takes to get him? That would allow for trading Soler to Oakland but Acquiring both would deplete the farm considerably.

I think Cincinnati just wants to get rid of Bruce's contract.

From what I could find, the rumored Bruce deal was:
CIN: "Prospects"
TOR: Bruce
LAA: Saunders

Now, with the state of the Angels system, I doubt they chipped in anything of importance. The Blue Jays were rumored to be offering Max Pentecost, and his medicals held up the deal.

Honestly, I don't think it would take more than something like Zagunis/Caratini/Christian Villanueva + Jen Ho Tseng , since there's no way you can make Cincinnati take on any of Bruce's contract.

[Gagnon39]

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Honestly, I don't think it would take more than something like Zagunis/Caratini/Christian Villanueva + Jen Ho Tseng , since there's no way you can make Cincinnati take on any of Bruce's contract.

Um... deal. If that's true, that's very surprising.

[doctorduck]

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I would suggest trading your prospects not named Espinosa, Devers, Moncada - Benitendi, Kopech, Sam Travis, etc. and packaging them 2 for 1 for BIG TIME prospects, or good MLB players (you might have to throw in a MLBer) and then going after Harvey/Strasburg with those guys. I ended up getting Chris Archer, but I had to upgrade Benitendi and Kopech for Steven Matz and then using him to get Archer. Look at what each team needs and then go after the starter you want.

Thanks for the answers guys. I'll see what works when I get home after work today. If Harvey doesn't work out, I'm gonna target mid rotation arms since the Nats are leading the division by 10 and Strasburg has a 2.5 era right now

[Tarheels153369]

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What would it take for Baltimore to get either Matt Moore or Tyler Skaggs? Is one or the other more attainable?

Besides the realism factor of having just acquired him, what about trading Hyun soon Kim for Skaggs so LA could get its 3rd outfielder?

[TattooedEvil]

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What would it take for Baltimore to get either Matt Moore or Tyler Skaggs? Is one or the other more attainable?

Besides the realism factor of having just acquired him, what about trading Hyun soon Kim for Skaggs so LA could get its 3rd outfielder?

is Kim even in the game yet? I imagine if he's not yet he's gonna be garbage. I'm sure you'll need to give an arm back also....at the very least

[MOJOMORRO]

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Hey guys I'm doing an A's franchise. Wondering about some trades in thinking about already. I really want a good young shortstop so what do you think ill need to give upcoming for a:
Trevor Story
Addison Russell
Trea Turner
Javier Baez

Also how much value do these guys have:
Coco Crisp
Sonny Gray
Bully Burns
Canha
Henderson Alvarez

[dvazquez190]

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Hey guys I'm doing an A's franchise. Wondering about some trades in thinking about already. I really want a good young shortstop so what do you think ill need to give upcoming for a:
Trevor Story
Addison Russell
Trea Turner
Javier Baez

Also how much value do these guys have:
Coco Crisp
Sonny Gray
Bully Burns
Canha
Henderson Alvarez

The first 3 aren't going anywhere. They are virtually untouchable. Baez is touchable but the cost from your team would probably be Gray (Grays worth more, but no one else is worth as much to the Cubs). So if you are intent on getting Baez and you don't mind gray i'd say a package around Soler and Baez would definitely land him.

Coco's bat has really gone south and his defensive value isn't what it once was. I'd say capitalize on a possible injury down the line and hope you can get back a middle prospect at best.

I'd let Alvarez get his value back up a little before moving him. Had a very good 2014 with MIA before his 2015 disaster of a season. Let him build it back up and you can fetch some good players.

Burns is young, will probably hit better in another ballpark and won't kill you defensively. Range Factor like him, other metrics not so much. He will net a better package than Coco just on age alone.

[DylPickle23]

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Once OSFM drops, I'll be looking to get a new first baseman for the Cardinals, I don't feel comfortable with Holliday at 1st and I can't hit with Moss lol.

Wondering who I could bring back in a trade for Jaime Garcia and a low level prospect.

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[dvazquez190]

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Once OSFM drops, I'll be looking to get a new first baseman for the Cardinals, I don't feel comfortable with Holliday at 1st and I can't hit with Moss lol.

Wondering who I could bring back in a trade for Jaime Garcia and a low level prospect.

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Trading Garcia now would definitely be trading him at his highest value so I think its smart you use him as bait. Coming off the season he did you could net someone solid for him. Only thing that holds his value back is he only pitched in 20 games last year. But he is currently on the right side of 30, so here we go.

As for the task at hand, well that's a little more difficult. First Basemans on par or better than what Jaime produced as a pitcher last year would be guys like Adrian Gonzalez, Eric Hosmer, Jose Abreu, Freddie Freeman, and Mark Teixeira. The Dodgers, Royals, White Sox, and Braves aren't moving them. Mark will be a FA at seasons end so making a move for him wouldn't really help.

If you want to try your luck, you could try prying away some top 1B targets from teams. AJ Reed (Astros) and Sam Travis (Red Sox) could be realistic targets as they are teams looking to compete that could use the rotation help. I'd say that might be your best bet.