MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[redsoxfan31]

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Pollock is the most valuable on that list. Think Moncada/Benintendi plus more. He's got massive surplus value.

Freeman alone starts with Devers, if you wanted both Freeman and Inciarte maybe a package around Devers and Espinoza plus a lottery ticket.

CarGo is the cheapest. He depends on how he's playing since he's so streaky.I'm sure the Rockies would have interest in E-Rod but I'm not sure if that deal matches up quite value-wise

I've actually heard some CarGo to Boston rumors up in this area and I'm curious as to what you think it would take since you said you don't think ERod matches up value wise

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I've actually heard some CarGo to Boston rumors up in this area and I'm curious as to what you think it would take since you said you don't think ERod matches up value wise

I said that because there's a part of me that thinks E-rod is enough on his own but I don't actually think that's the case

[CBoller1331]

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Ended my season 80-82. Just couldn't win down the stretch to make the playoffs. Now in the offseason I'm looking for some bullpen help ( that's where we fell apart late last season ) was looking at a few trades but needed some help from you guys.

Rays get

Yordano Ventura
Kelvin Herrera

Royals get

Matt Moore
Logan Forsythe
Casey Gillaspie or Taylor Guerrieri

If not these are the teams who need a second basemen Angels, Diamondbacks and the Dodgers.

I think if you take both Moore and Ventura out this is a decent trade. I don't think the Royals trade Ventura for another young arm who is injury prone and hasn't put it together yet. And the same goes for the Rays, I don't see them trading Moore for another pitcher with a similar story (minus the injuries).

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I think if you take both Moore and Ventura out this is a decent trade. I don't think the Royals trade Ventura for another young arm who is injury prone and hasn't put it together yet. And the same goes for the Rays, I don't see them trading Moore for another pitcher with a similar story (minus the injuries).

Why would the Rays trade a good 2B plus one of their better prospects for a 7th inning guy who has electric stuff but has never really been that great. They just traded away McGee I can't see them paying a lot for a bullpen piece

[CBoller1331]

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Why would the Rays trade a good 2B plus one of their better prospects for a 7th inning guy who has electric stuff but has never really been that great. They just traded away McGee I can't see them paying a lot for a bullpen piece

I think thats what it would take for the Royals to let go of him. Whether or not its worth it is up to the original poster.

I kinda see Moore and Ventura as relatively equal in value, with neither team that likely to let them go...or at least for a pitcher with similar statistics.

You see teams that are desperate for bullpen help overpay for guys all the time (the Rockies gave up one of their top trade pieces in Dickerson to get McGee), and he mentioned he was specifically looking to upgrade it. Plus there doesn't seem to be a reason for the Royals to deal Herrera, so they wouldn't let go of him for cheap

[Dirty_D_]

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Why would the Rays trade a good 2B plus one of their better prospects for a 7th inning guy who has electric stuff but has never really been that great. They just traded away McGee I can't see them paying a lot for a bullpen piece

I think thats what it would take for the Royals to let go of him. Whether or not its worth it is up to the original poster.

I kinda see Moore and Ventura as relatively equal in value, with neither team that likely to let them go...or at least for a pitcher with similar statistics.

You see teams that are desperate for bullpen help overpay for guys all the time (the Rockies gave up one of their top trade pieces in Dickerson to get McGee), and he mentioned he was specifically looking to upgrade it. Plus there doesn't seem to be a reason for the Royals to deal Herrera, so they wouldn't let go of him for cheap

Just looked at it being a change of scenery for both guys maybe it could do them good plus I NEED BULPEN HELP really didn't have anyone to target in free agency and the ones there wanted at least 10mil a year

Ventura
W-L 10-18 IP 168.1 BB 79 SO 139 ERA 6.52 WHIP 1.77

Herrera
W-L 6-2 SV 1 IP 75.0 BB 26 SO 90 ERA 2.72 WHIP 1.19

Moore
W-L 12-11 IP 207.2 BB 87 SO 207 ERA 3.68 WHIP 1.33

Forsythe
G 119 AB 466 R 56 H 136 HR 18 RBI 65 SB 5 AVG .283 OBP .344 SLG .453 OPS .797 WAR 3.47

[AC]

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I'm not sure why no one posts stats with players any more but it's the most important thing in determining these trades

[EWRMETS]

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Okay, at the trade deadline, Mets are 1.5 GB of the Nats for the lead in the East and lead the Wildcard by 1 game. Would they trade Wheeler, Conforto, and Granderson for Braun and one of Jeffress or Smith?

Wheeler (B pot) is doing fairly well in AAA (6-4, 3.54 ERA, 1.27 Whip)
Conforto (B pot) is having a good not great season on the big club (.267 BA, .733 OPS, 9 HR)
Granderson (D pot) looks to be a bench player at this point (.223 BA, .537 OPS, 3 HR)

Braun (A pot) is an All-Star this year (.312 BA, .968 OPS, 26 HR)
Jeffress (B pot) is the Setup man ( 4-1, 2.31 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 1 SV)
Smith (B pot) is their closer (1-1, 1.24 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 19 SV)

Seems like a good deal for both sides at this point, Mets get one of the best hitters in the league this year and a good bullpen arm for their WS run and shed themselves of the Grandymans contract, and the Brew Crew get 2 young guys to help their rebuild. What do you guys think?

IRL mets never make that deal. They would not take on Braun's contract or trade Conforto who is their best hitting prospect.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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IRL mets never make that deal. They would not take on Braun's contract or trade Conforto who is their best hitting prospect.

Mets fans on here always say we can't trade any of the 5 starters and we won't trade Conforto but we want a major upgrade. Those things cannot work together. You have to give value to get value. Braun is still a 3+ WAR guy easy when healthy and could still have some 5+ WAR seasons. He isn't likely to get back above 7 WAR like his MVP days, but right handed power is a big asset. On the open market especially with the weak bats about to become available Braun would top the $19,000,000 he is about to get. Plus Cespedes will come off the payroll next year when he inevitably opts out of his deal.


I've never understood why the Mets always get a pass for not being willing to take on salary. They are in one of the 3 biggest markets in the US and have the 15th highest payroll. If you aren't willing to take on some additional salary to get an impact bat what is the point. Yankees are in the same market and have a payroll of $228,397,837 while the Mets sit at $130,632,921. The Mets should be able to handle $150,000,000 easily if not more.

[Dirty_D_]

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Mets fans on here always say we can't trade any of the 5 starters and we won't trade Conforto but we want a major upgrade. Those things cannot work together. You have to give value to get value. Braun is still a 3+ WAR guy easy when healthy and could still have some 5+ WAR seasons. He isn't likely to get back above 7 WAR like his MVP days, but right handed power is a big asset. On the open market especially with the weak bats about to become available Braun would top the $19,000,000 he is about to get. Plus Cespedes will come off the payroll next year when he inevitably opts out of his deal.


I've never understood why the Mets always get a pass for not being willing to take on salary. They are in one of the 3 biggest markets in the US and have the 15th highest payroll. If you aren't willing to take on some additional salary to get an impact bat what is the point. Yankees are in the same market and have a payroll of $228,397,837 while the Mets sit at $130,632,921. The Mets should be able to handle $150,000,000 easily if not more.

lol .... I truly understand what your saying, but you can't tell me keeping Conforto over Braun is not the smartest move. You guys preach how valuable YOUNG COST CONTROL players are worth then post this non-sense.

Plus it was in every major tabloid in the world what happened to the Mets and why they won't spend money.

" Follow Business Insider: New York Mets owners Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz reportedly had $500 million invested with Bernie Madoff that disappeared when the Ponzi scheme collapsed. "

Cespedes isn't leaving Queens anytime soon btw. He just said he plans on being a Met for life.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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lol .... I truly understand what your saying, but you can't tell me keeping Conforto over Braun is not the smartest move. You guys preach how valuable YOUNG COST CONTROL players are worth then post this non-sense.

Plus it was in every major tabloid in the world what happened to the Mets and why they won't spend money.

" Follow Business Insider: New York Mets owners Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz reportedly had $500 million invested with Bernie Madoff that disappeared when the Ponzi scheme collapsed. "

Cespedes isn't leaving Queens anytime soon btw. He just said he plans on being a Met for life.

In a free agent class where the best available hitter after 2016 will be a 36 year old Bautista. There is a 100% chance Cespedes opts out. Sure he might resign with the Mets, but it will be for more than the 2 years $47.5 million remaining on his deal. This isn't the first time Cespedes was traded and said he loved his new city.


And yeah cost controlled players are valuable, but so are star players. Braun has shown he is a star, elite level hitter, while Conforto is a solid young player. If you don't think he will be traded that's fine. We all have out opinions, but lets not act like Conforto>Braun. Conforto is producing at the same level as Kole Calhoun this season.

[Dirty_D_]

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In a free agent class where the best available hitter after 2016 will be a 36 year old Bautista. There is a 100% chance Cespedes opts out. Sure he might resign with the Mets, but it will be for more than the 2 years $47.5 million remaining on his deal. This isn't the first time Cespedes was traded and said he loved his new city.


And yeah cost controlled players are valuable, but so are star players. Braun has shown he is a star, elite level hitter, while Conforto is a solid young player. If you don't think he will be traded that's fine. We all have out opinions, but lets not act like Conforto>Braun. Conforto is producing at the same level as Kole Calhoun this season.

Your right about the production that Braun blows Conforto or any Met not name Cespedes statistically out of the water, but IMO the money Bruan is owed will scare the Mets off.

[MindBeats]

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I'm not sure why no one posts stats with players any more but it's the most important thing in determining these trades

Most of the times that people post stats, others just ignore and say trade isn't realistic irl...

[EWRMETS]

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Your right about the production that Braun blows Conforto or any Met not name Cespedes statistically out of the water, but IMO the money Bruan is owed will scare the Mets off.

And in this case, it should. Conforto still has an .842 ops after his brutal May and will only get better over the next few years as Braun declines. It's arguable whether Braun will even be better for the next 3 years, and that doesn't take into account that he costs 20 mil when Conforto is free.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Most of the times that people post stats, others just ignore and say trade isn't realistic irl...

For the most part, we will say a trade is unrealistic because everyone wants to upgrade their team without giving away anything valuable. I dont know how many Mets questions we have had with only wanting to deal Montero or Smith. People like to think about how much better they can make their team, but they don't look at it from the other side. I'd love to get someone like Gregory Polanco for example but why would the Pirates do that?

Stats are super helpful in determining value.