MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[brandonholmes]

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Thanks. I think I'll give up on Guerrero for now. Maybe if my team struggles and I'm looking to shop Goldschmidt down the line I'll come back to it. I didn't realize he was that highly regarded.


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From a Jays fan perspective, while a deal could be made involving Vlad, I don't see it. He's only 17, we don't really have a handle on what he is yet. While I think his build places him in the outfield as a major leaguer, that bat could be absolutely special. The only way I see him as a D'back is if Goldy is involved, and even then it doesn't really fit our management's MO at the moment, which is to stockpile the farm and not make blockbuster deals that mortgage the future.

You can do it value wise, but it won't get my realism stamp of approval, which is totally okay. Your franchise. Just my two cents.

[BlueJays09]

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Trade Deadline Update (ARI):

Completed Deals:

WAS Received
Paul Goldschmidt
Erik Davis

ARI Received
Victor Robles
Erick Fedde
Carter Kieboom
Spencer Kieboom

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CHC Received
Taijuan Walker

ARI Received
Ian Happ

Pending Deals:

LAD Receives
Zack Greinke
Ivan Pineyro
Dawel Lugo

ARI Receives
Alex Verdugo
Andre Ethier
Willie Calhoun

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TEX Receives
Willie Calhoun (From LAD Trade)
Brandon Drury (Can Play 3rd)
Yasmany Tomas

ARI Receives
Joey Gallo
Connor Sadzeck

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TOR Receives
AJ Pollock
Ketel Marte

ARI Receives
Reid-Foley
Richard Urena
Anthony Alford
Reese McGuire



I'm having a hard time both:

A.) Assessing Pollock's Value

B.) Finding Pollock's Market

The big issue is, who needs Pollock and has prospects at a need position? I've already dealt for Robles and have a pending deal for Verdugo. I've dealt for Happ and Kieboom with a possible pending deal for Urena. I'm also trying to see if I can swing a deal for Gallo. That leaves Lamb at 3rd and either Tomas/Peralta at the remaining outfield position. Biggest need seems to be acquiring pitching, catching and/or a shortstop. Granted Guerrero Jr. could play Outfield and I could try moving Peralta/Tomas, I just don't think there is a lot of value there. Happ could also move to LF, giving me an outfield of Happ, Robles and Verdugo. I could move Lamb to 1st, look into Guerrero Jr for 3rd and leave both Drury and Owings at 2nd and Short.

I'm very interested in this as I could look at a deal similar to this in my franchise. Pollock would be an ideal fit for me. I would not want to move Alford though. I would give Foley, Urena, McGuire and another prospect. I know it would have to hurt but is there anyone else I could give besides Alford?


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[TheBigTee]

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From a Jays fan perspective, while a deal could be made involving Vlad, I don't see it. He's only 17, we don't really have a handle on what he is yet. While I think his build places him in the outfield as a major leaguer, that bat could be absolutely special. The only way I see him as a D'back is if Goldy is involved, and even then it doesn't really fit our management's MO at the moment, which is to stockpile the farm and not make blockbuster deals that mortgage the future.



You can do it value wise, but it won't get my realism stamp of approval, which is totally okay. Your franchise. Just my two cents.

Thanks for the help, guys. That's why I like to follow this because although I'm a baseball fan I don't know much about the minor leagues or prospects for most teams.

I'm glad I asked, because I obviously undervalued Guerrero.




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[hampshirestags]

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Trade Deadline Update (ARI):


Pending Deals:

LAD Receives
Zack Greinke
Ivan Pineyro
Dawel Lugo

ARI Receives
Alex Verdugo
Andre Ethier
Willie Calhoun

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TEX Receives
Willie Calhoun (From LAD Trade)
Brandon Drury (Can Play 3rd)
Yasmany Tomas

ARI Receives
Joey Gallo
Connor Sadzeck

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TOR Receives
AJ Pollock
Ketel Marte

ARI Receives
Reid-Foley
Richard Urena
Anthony Alford
Reese McGuire



I'm having a hard time both:

A.) Assessing Pollock's Value

B.) Finding Pollock's Market

The big issue is, who needs Pollock and has prospects at a need position? I've already dealt for Robles and have a pending deal for Verdugo. I've dealt for Happ and Kieboom with a possible pending deal for Urena. I'm also trying to see if I can swing a deal for Gallo. That leaves Lamb at 3rd and either Tomas/Peralta at the remaining outfield position. Biggest need seems to be acquiring pitching, catching and/or a shortstop. Granted Guerrero Jr. could play Outfield and I could try moving Peralta/Tomas, I just don't think there is a lot of value there. Happ could also move to LF, giving me an outfield of Happ, Robles and Verdugo. I could move Lamb to 1st, look into Guerrero Jr for 3rd and leave both Drury and Owings at 2nd and Short.

There is some good stuff going on this morning, I'm going to add my opinion to this post and see if I can summarize most of what's been asked/said.

First and foremost, Guerrero Jr. shouldn't move. TOR made deals to get the bonus slot money just to sign him. They have a ton invested in their 18 yr. old #1 prospect and I would suspect would have to be blown away with an offer just to listen. I would say any deal at this point is a solid 'no' and we should move off of him before the Jays fans come in here looking to rumble!

Second, the LAD deal starts to tip too much with Calhoun involved. Besides, you're not going to need him when we get to Gallo. Remove him and keep one of Pineyro/Lugo and you are good. (you don't need to take on Either as well)

Gallo...oh Mr. Gallo. I'm lower on Gallo than most but the important piece here is that TEX is very high on him. His name has been brought up several times in rumors over the past two years and while those deals still got done, Gallo stayed in Texas. In my mind, that moves his trade value up (from a TEX perspective) regardless of how I project him. The above package isn't enough anyway but I broke it with my suggestion of removing Calhoun so it's mute.

Pollock - As I mentioned before, his comp is the A.Eaton deal. They are similar players with very close numbers (400+games 15.5 WAR). The difference being Eaton is on a better contract and has 2 full seasons under his belt while Pollock has show an injury concern (not huge but it's there). That means he should be almost a full step down from the Eaton package of 2 top 10 RH prospects (position, not overall) and last years mid-late 1st round pick). I think I'm right on with my original suggestion if he moves to TOR (who could really use him). I was also thinking about ATL but could probably come up with another club or two that could use him.

Last side note: along with the franchise thread, if you go to the main forum and poke around the 'Dynasty HQ' section you will also find some good baseball franchise stories.

[hampshirestags]

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Just curious If anyone had a chance to look at this.
Thanks

From a 50k ft view, I don't have a problem with this. The further you get along in a franchise, the tougher these things get without actually sitting in front of the console and digging through the numbers. I have significant issue with Archer/Gray straight up but such is life with CPU management and not catching it with 30 team control. Nothing can be done about that now.

Frankly, you should be able to swap out young Mr. Olson for a high C prospect from the same draft (maybe your next round pick?) and still be ok.

[MrSerendipity]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

There is some good stuff going on this morning, I'm going to add my opinion to this post and see if I can summarize most of what's been asked/said.

Second, the LAD deal starts to tip too much with Calhoun involved. Besides, you're not going to need him when we get to Gallo. Remove him and keep one of Pineyro/Lugo and you are good. (you don't need to take on Either as well)

Pollock - As I mentioned before, his comp is the A.Eaton deal. They are similar players with very close numbers (400+games 15.5 WAR). The difference being Eaton is on a better contract and has 2 full seasons under his belt while Pollock has show an injury concern (not huge but it's there). That means he should be almost a full step down from the Eaton package of 2 top 10 RH prospects (position, not overall) and last years mid-late 1st round pick). I think I'm right on with my original suggestion if he moves to TOR (who could really use him). I was also thinking about ATL but could probably come up with another club or two that could use him.

The issue with the LAD deal is that the show won't do the trade for budgetary reasons. I have to include Ethier for the game to do the deal. Thus I'm approaching this as if the Dodgers won't do the deal unless I'll eat Ethier's contract. Does Greinke for Verdugo, Ethier and Lux work? I'd be willing to add Pineyro to that deal.

I can go with the TOR trade, it just feels a bit low if all I'm getting back is Reid-Foley, Alford and McGuire. That's why I threw in Urena. If I did Reid-Foley, Alford, McGuire and Bichette, does it work better?

Thanks again for your continuous assistance here. I have a lot to add to the Log today.

[hampshirestags]

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The issue with the LAD deal is that the show won't do the trade for budgetary reasons. I have to include Ethier for the game to do the deal. Thus I'm approaching this as if the Dodgers won't do the deal unless I'll eat Ethier's contract. Does Greinke for Verdugo, Ethier and Lux work? I'd be willing to add Pineyro to that deal.

I can go with the TOR trade, it just feels a bit low if all I'm getting back is Reid-Foley, Alford and McGuire. That's why I threw in Urena. If I did Reid-Foley, Alford, McGuire and Bichette, does it work better?

Thanks again for your continuous assistance here. I have a lot to add to the Log today.

Which is why I turn payroll 'off' for any franchise I intend to spend time in. That means I handle all big ticket FA signings/trades each year but to me its worth the extra time as contracts in game can be wonky and, as in real life, baseball is not a salary cap sport. That's just me though, it can be a hassle if you don't keep up with it.

Greinke/Pineyro for Either/Verdugo/Lux will work. We are giving them a bit of payroll relief next year and a piece and Lux is blocked.

I'm high on Alford and since Bard jumped in, I'm going to defer to the local (sorta) and swap him for Urena. So it could look like this...

A.Pollock for SRF/Urena/Bichette/McGuire or Pentecost

Bichette can flat out rake (with pop) and I like Pentecost over McGuire but that is mostly personal preference. Don't think you're selling low here. It's a very good package with excess trade value as we've put SRF in almost every TOR deal discussed (a case can easily be made to have him sneak in to top 10 RH prospects) and Bichette projects well and could be a headliner in a star vet deal in a year or two. When Bard comes back and says this stings...you know it's a good deal for you. Also, TOR wins because they are in desperate need of some OF athletes.

[MrSerendipity]

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Which is why I turn payroll 'off' for any franchise I intend to spend time in. That means I handle all big ticket FA signings/trades each year but to me its worth the extra time as contracts in game can be wonky and, as in real life, baseball is not a salary cap sport. That's just me though, it can be a hassle if you don't keep up with it.

Greinke/Pineyro for Either/Verdugo/Lux will work. We are giving them a bit of payroll relief next year and a piece and Lux is blocked.

I'm high on Alford and since Bard jumped in, I'm going to defer to the local (sorta) and swap him for Urena. So it could look like this...

A.Pollock for SRF/Urena/Bichette/McGuire or Pentecost

Bichette can flat out rake (with pop) and I like Pentecost over McGuire but that is mostly personal preference. Don't think you're selling low here. It's a very good package with excess trade value as we've put SRF in almost every TOR deal discussed (a case can easily be made to have him sneak in to top 10 RH prospects) and Bichette projects well and could be a headliner in a star vet deal in a year or two. When Bard comes back and says this stings...you know it's a good deal for you. Also, TOR wins because they are in desperate need of some OF athletes.

I really like both of those deals. I definitely prefer Pentecost over McGuire after reading up. I thought his name sounded familiar, turns out he was the catching prospect that rejected our (Rangers) pick a few years back. I like the fact that I could use him at 1st too which eases the pain of not getting Bellinger.

Thanks a lot for your help with all of this, I know it lasted a few pages. All in all I think I'm getting a pretty insane batch of prospects in:

Victor Robles
Ian Happ
Erick Fedde
Alex Verdugo
Sean Reid-Foley
Richard Urena
Max Pentecost
Carter Kieboom
Spencer Kieboom (Technically not a prospect)

I just may not be selling many tickets over the next two years.

PS, I'm going to be bringing in so many players that I may need to work some small trades to clear up space on my Roster. I'm definitely going to be eclipsing 90.

[jdiaz891]

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Playing as the white soxs . Im looking for an OF who has decent speed and a good arm to play center field since no one in this outfield has an arm except for avisail whos isnt very accurate. I signed angel pagan to be my everyday center fielder but will be moving him to LF because i have given up on Melky.

What could i give the yankees for Aaron Hicks . If anyone has any suggestions on something better or realistic please feel free to give your input.

[MrSerendipity]

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Playing as the white soxs . Im looking for an OF who has decent speed and a good arm to play center field since no one in this outfield has an arm except for avisail whos isnt very accurate. I signed angel pagan to be my everyday center fielder but will be moving him to LF because i have given up on Melky.

What could i give the yankees for Aaron Hicks . If anyone has any suggestions on something better or realistic please feel free to give your input.

How would you feel about Travis Janikowski in SD? He's young with the potential to develop into a pretty good leadoff guy. He's really quick and can control the field without issue. Only problem is you're going to have to wait for his bat to come around if you want anything more than a .240 guy. His arm is also the weak spot in his otherwise really good defense.

A guy that I really like for you but might be a little pricey is Leonys Martin out of SEA. He's a guy who can hit for a .250 AVG, snag a base and has an absolute freaking cannon of an arm. I'm still disappointed that Texas let him go so easily.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Hicks beyond him losing the job to Judge this spring and being the Yanks 4th OF. I'm assuming due to that, his market value likely isn't as high as it was a year ago. The issue is, he won't be a 4th OF next year or at least not the year after that with both Gardner and Ellsbury dipping into their mid thirties. I would probably take a strong look at Martin out of Seattle but if you really like Hicks, I'm sure someone here can you give a reasonable expectation of what you should offer.

Edit: Billy Hamilton out of Cincy is someone else worth looking at. Blazing fast with stellar defense. His bat is a pretty big question mark and for that reason, people in this thread tend to not be that hot on him.

[jdiaz891]

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How would you feel about Travis Janikowski in SD? He's young with the potential to develop into a pretty good leadoff guy. He's really quick and can control the field without issue. Only problem is you're going to have to wait for his bat to come around if you want anything more than a .240 guy. His arm is also the weak spot in his otherwise really good defense.

A guy that I really like for you but might be a little pricey is Leonys Martin out of SEA. He's a guy who can hit for a .250 AVG, snag a base and has an absolute freaking cannon of an arm. I'm still disappointed that Texas let him go so easily.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Hicks beyond him losing the job to Judge this spring and being the Yanks 4th OF. I'm assuming due to that, his market value likely isn't as high as it was a year ago. The issue is, he won't be a 4th OF next year or at least not the year after that with both Gardner and Ellsbury dipping into their mid thirties. I would probably take a strong look at Martin out of Seattle but if you really like Hicks, I'm sure someone here can you give a reasonable expectation of what you should offer.

Edit: Billy Hamilton out of Cincy is someone else worth looking at. Blazing fast with stellar defense. His bat is a pretty big question mark and for that reason, people in this thread tend to not be that hot on him.

Any idea what i would have to give up for any of these guys except for Billy hamilton, never been high on him for some reason.

Also Yankees have the worst record in my franchise 13-26. In this situation would they realistically sell or would they be the yankees of old and buy to get some W's??

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Any idea what i would have to give up for any of these guys except for Billy hamilton, never been high on him for some reason.

Also Yankees have the worst record in my franchise 13-26. In this situation would they realistically sell or would they be the yankees of old and buy to get some W's??

Hicks is a 4th OF in NYY so I think a high C prospect gets it done. Martin was just DFA'ed so pretty much being willing to take him off SEA's hands is all it would take. Jankowski has the most value of the guys you want. (Hamilton has a lot more than Jankowski, but you don't want him). I imagine the Padres are terrible in your franchise and would want a high upside lotto ticket. Maybe take Courtney Hawkins off their hands and Bernardo Flores. Two guys without a ton of hype but they could hypothetically be useful.

[hampshirestags]

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Hicks is a 4th OF in NYY so I think a high C prospect gets it done. Martin was just DFA'ed so pretty much being willing to take him off SEA's hands is all it would take. Jankowski has the most value of the guys you want. (Hamilton has a lot more than Jankowski, but you don't want him). I imagine the Padres are terrible in your franchise and would want a high upside lotto ticket. Maybe take Courtney Hawkins off their hands and Bernardo Flores. Two guys without a ton of hype but they could hypothetically be useful.

If even that much. I don't want to split hairs over a minor trade but if the Yanks are tanking and Frazier is coming strong (though he's struggling early right now), they would certainly look to make room for him provided Ellsbury and Gardner are healty"ish". High C arm at best, mid C position player. I see this as one of those 'cash consideration' deals. I would be curious as to his line in game.

Keep in mind, if he keeps hitting like he is, he is going to get the "random" test. If he fails, all bets are off and I wouldn't recommend him for a bat boy. Thames has already been "random" tested twice this season. The league is cracking down.

[jdiaz891]

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Hicks is a 4th OF in NYY so I think a high C prospect gets it done. Martin was just DFA'ed so pretty much being willing to take him off SEA's hands is all it would take. Jankowski has the most value of the guys you want. (Hamilton has a lot more than Jankowski, but you don't want him). I imagine the Padres are terrible in your franchise and would want a high upside lotto ticket. Maybe take Courtney Hawkins off their hands and Bernardo Flores. Two guys without a ton of hype but they could hypothetically be useful.

Ill be picking up Martin. His hitting doesn't worry me right now i just need a good arms up the middle. Thanks guys !

[jdiaz891]

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If even that much. I don't want to split hairs over a minor trade but if the Yanks are tanking and Frazier is coming strong (though he's struggling early right now), they would certainly look to make room for him provided Ellsbury and Gardner are healty"ish". High C arm at best, mid C position player. I see this as one of those 'cash consideration' deals. I would be curious as to his line in game.

Keep in mind, if he keeps hitting like he is, he is going to get the "random" test. If he fails, all bets are off and I wouldn't recommend him for a bat boy. Thames has already been "random" tested twice this season. The league is cracking down.

Todd Frazier - .355/.372/.717 17 hrs 31 rbis in 42 games.

I was asking about the yankees because im willing to part ways with Todd Frazier and the following

James shields 5-3 3.18 Era
Miguel Gonzalez 1-1 4.88 Era
David Robertson 18 saves 2.33 Era
Geovany Soto 11 hrs 17 Rbis .242 avg
Jose Abreu 11 hrs 37 rbis .299 Avg