MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[Bard]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Hey guys! Time for me to be on the opposite scale of things. I am currently doing a 30-team, play the best game of the day, franchise as well as my single Red Sox franchise. My Sox chise is barely getting into May, but my 30-team control is now at the Trade Deadline. Now in my 30-team control, I do not do trades in the off-season since Free Agency does enough moving around, but I do allow 10 trades in-season. 4 major, and 6 "minor".

Standings:

Spoiler

AL East:
Red Sox 54-36
Blue Jays 50-38 3 GB
Yankees 48-40 5 GB
Rays 46-44 8 GB
Orioles 42-46


AL Central:
Indians 58-33
White Sox 44-44
Royals 41-47
Tigers 37-51
Twins 37-52


AL West:
Rangers 48-40
Astros 48-42 1 GB
Angels 43-49
Mariners 40-50
Athletics 38-52


AL Wild Card:
Blue Jays*
Yankees*
Astros 1 GB
Rays 3 GB
White Sox 4 GB


NL East:
Mets 49-39
Phillies 46-42 3 GB
Nationals 46-43 3.5 GB
Marlins 42-46
Braves 34-54


NL Central:
Cubs 52-36
Cardinals 51-37 1 GB
Brewers 40-51
Reds 37-52
Pirates 37-52


NL West:
Giants 56-34
Dodgers 47-44 9.5 GB
Rockies 47-44 9.5 GB
Diamondbacks 42-47
Padres 38-51


NL Wild Card:
Cardinals*
Phillies*
Nationals .5 GB
Dodgers 1 GB
Rockies 1 GB

Now here are the potential trades I am thinking about:

Phillies Receive:
Sonny Gray SP 3.87 ERA/1.40 WHIP/0.8 WAR/7.02 K-9/3.27 BB-9/4.30 FIP
Sean Doolittle RP 1.29 ERA/ 0.79 WHIP/0.3 WAR/7.71 K-9/0.64 BB-9/2.57 FIP
OR
Ryan Dull RP 1.96 ERA/0.99 WHIP/1.3 WAR/9.80 K-9/0.44 BB-9/1.94 FIP


Oakland Receives:
Sixto Sanchez SP 18 year old/69 Overall/B potential
Nick Williams LF 23 years old/69 Overall/ B potential
Carlos Tocci CF 21 years old/57 Overall/ B potential
Deivi Grullon 21 years old/59 Overall/ C potential


Reasoning: Simple thought process here. Philadelphia is looking real good, real fast, and add two controlled talents for some nice prospects, but not necessarily needed. Oakland is in need to do something. They are last in the division, and tied second worst record in the league. Assume if Dull is added the package would need to increase, but wanted to just put the base deal on here for adjustments!





Nationals Receive:
Ryan Braun RF .283 AVG/.347 OBP/.554 SLG/.901 OPS/3.6 WAR/.271 ISO
Jared Hughes RP 2.13 ERA/1.26 WHIP/-0.1 WAR/4.97 K-9/5.68 BB-9/4.97 FIP



Brewers Receive:
Victor Robles CF 19 years old/69 Overall/ A potential
Erick Fedde SP 24 years old/68 Overall/ B potential
Anderson Franco 3B 19 years old/ 58 Overall/ C potential



Reasoning: Strange deal, right? Well, this one was supposed to be McCutchen to Washington with the Eaton injury, but Andrew is hitting as well as Junior Spivey at the moment. Braun is still a huge asset with ~88 million in surplus value at the moment, and Hughes, despite not being that good, helps the Nationals pen as an add-on in this deal. Braun will be in right, Harper in center, and Werth in left - when Eaton returns sometime next year he will likely return to center, Harper in right, and Braun in left as Werth is just about worthless (ha!) now...can't imagine next season.



Blue Jays Receive:
Lorenzo Cain CF .316 AVG/.361 OBP/.479 SLG/.839 OPS/2.7 WAR/.163 ISO
Kelvin Herrera RP 1.41 ERA/0.84 WHIP/1.0 WAR/9.84 K-9/1.97 BB-9/1.91 FIP



Royals Receive:
Sean Reid-Foley SP 21 years old/66 Overall/ B potential
Rowdy Tellez 1B 22 years old/70 Overall/B potential
Bo Bichette SS 19 years old/60 Overall/ B potential





Reasoning: Final blockbuster, can't come up with a fourth this year. Royals have lots of talent, but these two are the only two worth much this season. Lorenzo Cain is in his contract year, while Herrera provides a big arm for that Jays pen. Royals are getting back two guys in Foley and Tellez that could be seen as early as next season, and a wild card in short stop Bichette. The Blue Jays have the team to make it to the playoffs, but this move might help them catch, and surpass Boston...enticing isn't it?



Now time for the less flashy deals:




Cardinals Receives:
Erasmo Ramirez RP 2.14 ERA/1.02 WHIP/1.1 WAR/6.31 K-9/1.39 BB-9/3.35 FIP



Rays Receive:
Austin Gomber SP 23 years old/69 Overall/ B potential





I lied...


Mets Receive:
Jose Quintana SP 2.97 ERA/1.16 WHIP/2.2 WAR/8.14 K-9/1.33 BB-9/3.60 FIP
David Robertson RP 3.11 ERA/1.17 WHIP/1.0 WAR/10.88 K-9/3.69 BB-9/2.68 FIP



White Sox Receive:
Robert Gsellman SP 4.29 ERA/1.25 WHIP/0.8 WAR/6.30 K-9/2.67 BB-9/4.47 FIP
Zack Wheeler RP *AAA 3.59 ERA/1.47 WHIP *MLB 5.98 ERA/1.65 WHIP/0.5 WAR/8.15 K-9/5.62 BB-9/4.47 FIP - Permanently will be RP in game.
Amed Rosario SS 21 years old/68 Overall/ A potential
Brandon Nimmo RF 24 years old/70 Overall/ B potential




Rangers Receive:
JD Martinez RF .301 AVG/.363 OBP/.581 SLG/.943 OPS/2.8 WAR



Tigers Receive:
Ariel Jurado SP 21 years old/65 Overall/ B potential
Yeyson Yrizarri SS 20 years old/62 Overall/ C potential




Did my best to not totally do this myself, so some might be awful due to trying to find a perspective of both teams! I am excited for some feedback

[Gagnon39]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Candelario for Doolittle. Straight up?


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[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Hey guys! Time for me to be on the opposite scale of things. I am currently doing a 30-team, play the best game of the day, franchise as well as my single Red Sox franchise. My Sox chise is barely getting into May, but my 30-team control is now at the Trade Deadline. Now in my 30-team control, I do not do trades in the off-season since Free Agency does enough moving around, but I do allow 10 trades in-season. 4 major, and 6 "minor".

Did my best to not totally do this myself, so some might be awful due to trying to find a perspective of both teams! I am excited for some feedback

A little feedback on the packages in general before we get into the detail of the value. I deleted your notes for the sake of space but we can always refer back to them.

In '19, the Scherzer and Strasburg contracts kick in with back-loaded money to the tune of 80mm. Strasburg has an opt-out in '19 but would be opting out of 5/138 through his age 34 season (with a final year of 45mm due). Almost a coin flip on what he does. Assuming he stays, with Braun they would have 99mm wrapped up in 3 players. I don't see them signing Harper and this is one of the reasons why. I agree Cutch may be a better target but if he's not getting it done, that's a mute point.

What if we switched the Royals package with the Jays to the Nats? That way, we can replace Robles with a slightly less bat and they get to keep him when/if they lose Harper? We could then give the Jays Braun. That would lessen the Jays spending slightly but we can work that out. Hughes at 5.6 BB/9 and almost 5 FIP should stay with the Brewers.

There are a lot of teams surrounding the Phils and they are playing way above expectations even at 4G over .500. Are they really ready to give some of that young talent away to make a push this year? If so, swap Doolittle with Dull. And...if they do make this splash, are the Mets just countering? If they are then they don't need Robertson (I'm sure we could find another home for him... TEX or WAS?) with Reed/Familia in the back of the pen (unless injuries change their thinking). Not knowing the numbers, I would expect they would need a bat (T.Frazier?) more than an arm.

I like the Cards/Rays deal but think a lottery ticket should be added from the Cards to the Rays. Oddly enough, I like the Rangers/Tigers deal as is...feels right.

Let me know what you think. I'll be around tonight to help hash it out.

[Bard]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

A little feedback on the packages in general before we get into the detail of the value. I deleted your notes for the sake of space but we can always refer back to them.

In '19, the Scherzer and Strasburg contracts kick in with back-loaded money to the tune of 80mm. Strasburg has an opt-out in '19 but would be opting out of 5/138 through his age 34 season (with a final year of 45mm due). Almost a coin flip on what he does. Assuming he stays, with Braun they would have 99mm wrapped up in 3 players. I don't see them signing Harper and this is one of the reasons why. I agree Cutch may be a better target but if he's not getting it done, that's a mute point.

What if we switched the Royals package with the Jays to the Nats? That way, we can replace Robles with a slightly less bat and they get to keep him when/if they lose Harper? We could then give the Jays Braun. That would lessen the Jays spending slightly but we can work that out. Hughes at 5.6 BB/9 and almost 5 FIP should stay with the Brewers.

There are a lot of teams surrounding the Phils and they are playing way above expectations even at 4G over .500. Are they really ready to give some of that young talent away to make a push this year? If so, swap Doolittle with Dull. And...if they do make this splash, are the Mets just countering? If they are then they don't need Robertson (I'm sure we could find another home for him... TEX or WAS?) with Reed/Familia in the back of the pen (unless injuries change their thinking). Not knowing the numbers, I would expect they would need a bat (T.Frazier?) more than an arm.

I like the Cards/Rays deal but think a lottery ticket should be added from the Cards to the Rays. Oddly enough, I like the Rangers/Tigers deal as is...feels right.

Let me know what you think. I'll be around tonight to help hash it out.

Thank you for the response! I totally just let it fly, and didn't want to go super in detail with myself until I brought these here.

So, are we thinking..?

Jays Receive:
Ryan Braun


Brewers Receive:
Foley
Reese McGuire (hope that is his last name, catching spec)

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Nationals Receive:
Lorenzo Cain
Kelvin Herrera

Royals Receive:
Fedde
B prospect (ideas?)
C prospect (same guy as before)

Feel this one is a little light for both?


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Phillies don't NEED to do this, but all of these prospects are "blocked" but are solid so I personally did not want them wasting away, and Oakland needs to deal off. Dull over Doolittle make more sense?



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Gober + C throw in for Ramirez - checked off.



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JD Martinez to Texas - checked off.



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Honestly, the Mets need a SP or a RP, but can stand Pat at both areas. Offense is best in the NL, and don't need anything really.

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[holden57]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

If we assume Votto is a 5 WAR player going forward, and he's been at least that 6 out of the last 7 years and the one he didn't he was hurt and only played 60 games it helps figure value.

That would be 7 years and 5 WAR average. So

35(WAR) x $10(Using that figure because I am lazy. There would be inflation) = $350 value. - $170 million remaining gives us a surplus value of $180 million dollars, which is a huge number. His contract will probably make a team hesitant to do that. But the Jays will have to part with SRF, Vlad Jr & Alford to make something happen there

Yeeeeeehaw. That's just about the entire farm which is pretty much what I figured. Thanks!

Thanks for your feedback on Votto!

I was hoping his $25M a year salary in his late 30's would lower his value a bit. I think Vlad JR might be the only untouchable I have though. Votto is a hell of a player though so I can't argue with that ask.

[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Thank you for the response! I totally just let it fly, and didn't want to go super in detail with myself until I brought these here.

So, are we thinking..?

Jays Receive:
Ryan Braun


Brewers Receive:
Foley
Reese McGuire (hope that is his last name, catching spec)

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Nationals Receive:
Lorenzo Cain
Kelvin Herrera

Royals Receive:
Fedde
B prospect (ideas?)
C prospect (same guy as before)

Feel this one is a little light for both?


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Phillies don't NEED to do this, but all of these prospects are "blocked" but are solid so I personally did not want them wasting away, and Oakland needs to deal off. Dull over Doolittle make more sense?



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Gober + C throw in for Ramirez - checked off.



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JD Martinez to Texas - checked off.



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Honestly, the Mets need a SP or a RP, but can stand Pat at both areas. Offense is best in the NL, and don't need anything really.

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Sounds about right for the Jays deal. Braun's contract becomes more palatable in the AL because as he ages, he rotates into the DL slot and is still enough of an athlete to spot start in the OF at an advanced age. Honestly, maybe just a shade on the light side? It's tough with the money they are taking on though...we're in the ballpark.

If you feel the Royals return is light, move it to 3 B's with Feede+Soto+Voth. I think 2 B's (with Voth) + a C SP (the Royals needs arms, losing a young SP hurts bad...you might could even use Cole here as he just fell off the prospect list and will need a while to show good value) is fine but since you're neither buying/selling here, I trust you'll make the right decision.

I'm not high on either guy in general and just have a hard time dealing Doolittle at all this year as my baseball gut is saying the guy will never again provide MLB value. Dull has youth/control on his side and if the Phils don't get it done this year, they can flip him or hang onto him for next year and beyond. I say go for it. There are worse rotations than Gray/Hellickson/Velasquez plus what they have coming up in development and the best of the bunch (IMO) N.Williams can be backfilled. Maybe drop the RP all together or add Casilla if he's getting it done. Add Casilla for the same package and remove Tocci if you drop the RP? I'm trying to stay with a good value for Gray in an open market.

Which brings us to NYM. Ugh...I just can't do it. Q is good but the price is just too high. Rosario is showing everything a top 5 prospect should and to use him to buy an arm that's not even going to be the best on my staff...if I'm the Mets, I say no and see if I can get a 2nd tier LHP for much less. Let's see if we can get some other opinions on this. While we're waiting, is there another target out there?

Edit: what is P.Corbin doing in your chise?

[brandonholmes]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Which brings us to NYM. Ugh...I just can't do it. Q is good but the price is just too high. Rosario is showing everything a top 5 prospect should and to use him to buy an arm that's not even going to be the best on my staff...if I'm the Mets, I say no and see if I can get a 2nd tier LHP for much less. Let's see if we can get some other opinions on this. While we're waiting, is there another target out there?

Edit: what is P.Corbin doing in your chise?

I'm with you on this one. If their offense is the best in the NL, with that staff, I don't see why they don't make a package of non-Rosario prospects to bolster the pen or upgrade on their weakest position player. Thor/DeGrom is a WS calibre 1/2 on it's own. If SP is really a need, there are much cheaper options than Quintana.

[Margelofskya]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Sounds about right for the Jays deal. Braun's contract becomes more palatable in the AL because as he ages, he rotates into the DL slot and is still enough of an athlete to spot start in the OF at an advanced age. Honestly, maybe just a shade on the light side? It's tough with the money they are taking on though...we're in the ballpark.

If you feel the Royals return is light, move it to 3 B's with Feede+Soto+Voth. I think 2 B's (with Voth) + a C SP (the Royals needs arms, losing a young SP hurts bad...you might could even use Cole here as he just fell off the prospect list and will need a while to show good value) is fine but since you're neither buying/selling here, I trust you'll make the right decision.

I'm not high on either guy in general and just have a hard time dealing Doolittle at all this year as my baseball gut is saying the guy will never again provide MLB value. Dull has youth/control on his side and if the Phils don't get it done this year, they can flip him or hang onto him for next year and beyond. I say go for it. There are worse rotations than Gray/Hellickson/Velasquez plus what they have coming up in development and the best of the bunch (IMO) N.Williams can be backfilled. Maybe drop the RP all together or add Casilla if he's getting it done. Add Casilla for the same package and remove Tocci if you drop the RP? I'm trying to stay with a good value for Gray in an open market.

Which brings us to NYM. Ugh...I just can't do it. Q is good but the price is just too high. Rosario is showing everything a top 5 prospect should and to use him to buy an arm that's not even going to be the best on my staff...if I'm the Mets, I say no and see if I can get a 2nd tier LHP for much less. Let's see if we can get some other opinions on this. While we're waiting, is there another target out there?

Edit: what is P.Corbin doing in your chise?

The hard part I find with Braun is the value he carries in Milwaukee is higher than anywhere else, so trades always seem kind of off because Braun is more valuable to the crew. No team can give enough to the Brewers, the Brewers can't get enough from anyone else


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[Bard]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Sounds about right for the Jays deal. Braun's contract becomes more palatable in the AL because as he ages, he rotates into the DL slot and is still enough of an athlete to spot start in the OF at an advanced age. Honestly, maybe just a shade on the light side? It's tough with the money they are taking on though...we're in the ballpark.

If you feel the Royals return is light, move it to 3 B's with Feede+Soto+Voth. I think 2 B's (with Voth) + a C SP (the Royals needs arms, losing a young SP hurts bad...you might could even use Cole here as he just fell off the prospect list and will need a while to show good value) is fine but since you're neither buying/selling here, I trust you'll make the right decision.

I'm not high on either guy in general and just have a hard time dealing Doolittle at all this year as my baseball gut is saying the guy will never again provide MLB value. Dull has youth/control on his side and if the Phils don't get it done this year, they can flip him or hang onto him for next year and beyond. I say go for it. There are worse rotations than Gray/Hellickson/Velasquez plus what they have coming up in development and the best of the bunch (IMO) N.Williams can be backfilled. Maybe drop the RP all together or add Casilla if he's getting it done. Add Casilla for the same package and remove Tocci if you drop the RP? I'm trying to stay with a good value for Gray in an open market.

Which brings us to NYM. Ugh...I just can't do it. Q is good but the price is just too high. Rosario is showing everything a top 5 prospect should and to use him to buy an arm that's not even going to be the best on my staff...if I'm the Mets, I say no and see if I can get a 2nd tier LHP for much less. Let's see if we can get some other opinions on this. While we're waiting, is there another target out there?

Edit: what is P.Corbin doing in your chise?

- Ryan Braun has been traded to the Toronto Blue Jays for Reese McGuire, Sean Reid-Foley, & additional C throw-in.

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- Lorenzo Cain + Kelvin Herrera have been traded to the Washington Nationals for Erick Fedde, Austin Voth, Juan Soto, & Trevor Gott - Gott has struggled this season, and is now a C for the Royals to toy with.


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- Phillies stand pat.


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Trade Attempt:


Cubs Receive:
Sean Doolittle



Athletics Receive:
Victor Caratini C 23 years old/60 Overall/C potential
DJ Wilson CF 20 years old/53 Overall/C potential


Reasoning: Sean Doolittle has been okay in limited appearances in this franchise so far. The A's are in need to tear down the place, and rebuild for San Jose. The Cubs are in desperate need of a left handed relief pitcher, and do not have to settle here with the A's...they would also be okay getting Sonny Gray and moving Brett Anderson to the bullpen.



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Corbin has been struggling for the most part...but what about Robbie Ray?

3.91 ERA/1.29 WHIP/2.5 WAR/9.81 K-9/2.86 BB-9/3.07 FIP

Career highs in quite a few areas here, and his WAR is pretty high for the break.


Patrick Corbin's stats:

4.00 ERA/1.09 WHIP/1.0 WAR/6.04 K-9/1.85 BB-9/4.27 FIP



Or do the Mets settle with adding David Robertson, OR do a deal for a SP from Zona and also get Robertson to make a real run.

[Omar0607]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Just finished my first month of my Yankees franchise with hybrid 1.1 rosters. Got off to a great start at 16-7. C.C. Is playing out of his mind right now 5-0 37 IP 24 SO 2.19 ERA 1.00 whip 5 QS 2 CG 1 shutout. I was planning on possibly trading ellsbury but he's been amazing went on a 11 game hitting streak. .365/.410/.594/1.003 and 4 HR in the first month of play so he will be staying for now. I put Headley on the block and looked for some trades for MLB ready since I think I might push for a playoff run this year. 3 trades came up that interested me, Any suggestions or advice on these possible offers are greatly appreciated because I tend to be a bad trader and I want to keep this realistic but I do want to buy to make a run not sell considering how things are going ATM. The players I offered were, Headley and Greg Bird. This is what I got offered

1B Carlos Santana
SS Erik Gonzales
From the Indians

1B Eric Hosmer
From KC

SP Hyun-Jin Ryu
From LAD

Ryu would vastly improve my starting 5 moving Montgomery to the bullpen. However, I need speed and contact as well. Any recommendations would be great as well.







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[Omar0607]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Santana and Gonzales are actually being shopped as well as they are on the block by CIN forgot to mention that lol


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[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

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- Phillies stand pat.

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Trade Attempt:

Cubs Receive:
Sean Doolittle


Athletics Receive:
Victor Caratini C 23 years old/60 Overall/C potential
DJ Wilson CF 20 years old/53 Overall/C potential

Reasoning: Sean Doolittle has been okay in limited appearances in this franchise so far. The A's are in need to tear down the place, and rebuild for San Jose. The Cubs are in desperate need of a left handed relief pitcher, and do not have to settle here with the A's...they would also be okay getting Sonny Gray and moving Brett Anderson to the bullpen.

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Corbin has been struggling for the most part...but what about Robbie Ray?

3.91 ERA/1.29 WHIP/2.5 WAR/9.81 K-9/2.86 BB-9/3.07 FIP

Career highs in quite a few areas here, and his WAR is pretty high for the break.

Patrick Corbin's stats:

4.00 ERA/1.09 WHIP/1.0 WAR/6.04 K-9/1.85 BB-9/4.27 FIP

Or do the Mets settle with adding David Robertson, OR do a deal for a SP from Zona and also get Robertson to make a real run.

In the spirit of Ernie Banks "...lets play two", why not both? With the Cubs staff not firing on all cylinders, it would not shock me at all to see them put something together with Gray/Happ IRL. In your franchise, we could help them in the two spots they need.

As a matter of fact (stay with me here, I'm feeling creative this morning), what about Schwarber + Happ for Gray + Doolittle? Similar to a few years ago when Billy overpaid for Shark, Theo returns the favor (with Lester in his ear about Gray's work ethic and competitiveness) and hits Billy with an offer that ends all other negotiations (he knows the Phillies are talking to the A's about Gray). Schwarber is overrated with A POT and depending on the roster you're using Happ is either B+/A- however, this leave the Cubs farm full and gives the A's 2 guys for their core rebuild.

The Mets, now scared they are going to miss the train departing (and labeling Rosario untouchable), reach out to ARZ for R.Ray to bolster their staff and put together a package something like Nimmo+Alonso+Becerra. Nothing that stands out but enough pieces to help the Dbacks with some athletes as they have plenty of developmental pitching. Maybe throw in a RP from ARZ and the lottery ticket of your choice from the Mets to make all things equal.

The Phillies watch all this happen but instead of trying to go all in this year and not wanting to stand "Pat Gillick" to keep fan interest alive, go get a vet bullpen piece in the 11th hour to help keep the pressure off their young starters. Would love Casilla here for the story perspective, if not T.Watson or someone along those lines to move a piece or two (depending on who they target) from the surplus.

This still leaves you with a few minor deals that can be made to hit your quota. We didn't help the White Sox out any but they got enough in the offseason that I don't feel bad about it. The Rays decide to hang onto Archer 1 more year because he just simply costs too much for everybody else and nobody is beating the HOU package from the winter meetings.

[Hinkleyyy]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

In my Padres franchise and looking to trade some players off to contenders. And this is who I think would be the best fits because of the teams that are pushing for the postseason.

-Carter Capps: Nationals, to fill it strong bullpen, Angels, in first place by 10 games and don't have a good bullpen

- Ryan Butcher: Nationals again and Angels, Cubs need a left arm in the pen, Astros need a lefty in the pen

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[hampshirestags]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

In my Padres franchise and looking to trade some players off to contenders. And this is who I think would be the best fits because of the teams that are pushing for the postseason.

-Carter Capps: Nationals, to fill it strong bullpen, Angels, in first place by 10 games and don't have a good bullpen

- Ryan Butcher: Nationals again and Angels, Cubs need a left arm in the pen, Astros need a lefty in the pen

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C.Capps hasn't pitched in MLB since '15 and is currently getting knocked around in AAA. R.Butcher fits as a loggy but his FIP today tells me his numbers are going to inflate.

What are the lines for these guys? Capps doesn't hold any value and Butcher would get you a project outside of most teams top 20. Good lines move the needle a little but most teams have a guy in AAA they would take a chance on before spending currency.

[milldaddy35]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Would the CWS trade David Robertson for Minnesota Twins catcher Mitch Graver? Last year they had a similar trade lined up with a Nationals Catcher, but the deal fell through. I am thinking the trade would be fair. Graver is on a similar track as Servino, and also has options left. If not, what would I have to add to get Robertson?

Any thoughts?