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  • GamecocksLaw17
    MVP
    • Jun 2015
    • 1503

    #3091
    Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by rjackson
    Don't stop posting. I am merely challenging you to get more of an explanation. It helps me learn but also others may learn as well. Admittedly, I don't keep up on as much trade rumors or prospects as i used to but I can keep up with the math side of it. Plus, being out for a year makes my questions on fairness versus realism applicable (at least to me) and the most pertinent part of this thread to me. That is why I am so focused on Acuna. See the first questions on my prior post as those are genuine and not challenging you. Getting a trade done that is both fair to the CPU, at least, and a realistic one without copying real life is more of an art than a science. Acuna is just a great example to focus on because he seemed like an option to me and those differences of IRL and my franchise fascinates me for some reason, I think that art I was going with.

    If I said that I wanted to go with Acuna in my franchise instead of Jimenez because CF is more appealing than LF, would you say speculatively that ATL would have went for it?
    I specifically went with Acuña because of his meteoric rise this season. But you could certainly use Albies if the White Sox decided their preference is to add a middle infielder. I however don't see that as likely because they already have Moncada and Tim Anderson. Now you could drop down to even Kevin Maitan, since the Braves have such a depth of prospects, but using a lower valued position player requires a higher valued pitcher. That would mean substituting the pitcher for Allard or Soroka.

    As far as realism goes, I believe the teams talking to CWS were Cubs, Braves, Yankees, Astros & Brewers. So any of those teams could be used. But you would need to give a package similar. You can use your game and say I'd really like a (insert position here) and build the package around that. By the White Sox getting one of the premier position prospects I believe that means most every prospect would be in consideration. The difficult part we run into here is often the lack of information. I can't sit in front of anyone else's PS4. What I can do though is research various prospects and try to use real life rumors to piece things together. So if I am not given every piece of information needed in someone's franchise I will tend to substitute with real life information. I also try to use up to date prospect information since we are commonly using up to date MLB player valuations. The Braves are one team that could genuinely offer 3 or 4 different packages for Quintana because of their immense depth in young assets. My using Acuña and Gohara was simply looking at rankings and finding the two closest Braves to Jimenez and Cease.

    Originally posted by disk
    I agree with you on everything with the exception of your views on prospect lists. I've probably said this before but you have to look at FV and FV only. Moncada is a 70 FV prospect and #1 on most lists, would he become less valuable if there were 1 or more 70 FV prospects or even 1 or more 75 FV guys, thus bumping him down a prospect list? No because he is still 70 FV and worth ~$107M. You have to put one 50 FV guy above another 50 FV guy for example, simply because of the nature of lists, however they are both "worth" the same in a trade.

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding your process and your using lists to find FV which is all good but if you value two prospects with the same FV differently simply because they are ranked differently on a prospect list I see some fault in that.
    So I think its a miscommunication. My preferred prospect list is the one found on Fangraphs. That list shows the FV for every prospect listed. I have recently been using the Baseball America list because they have updated theres and Eric Longenhagen (Fangraphs) has not to this point.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valui...100-prospects/ this post gives an explanation on prospects values that I believe will go towards the point you are trying to make. Moncada is #1 but he's also a 70 FV. While being #1 makes him valuable, the 70 FV puts him in rare company and makes his value astronomical (above $100 million).

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    • rjackson
      MVP
      • Apr 2005
      • 1661

      #3092
      Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

      I would like your opinion as a Braves fan and assuming you have a lot of knowledge on the topic. What I heard was that the Braves refused to include Acuna in a trade for Q and the ChiSox demanded him or they'd go with Jimenez. It was someone on Tomahawk Chop and I do not know if they are reliable or not. As a ChiSox franchise runner, would you say that I would be realistic doing a Q for Acuna+Gohara trade? Imfeel that if I was the Braves and I wanted to trade Acuna+ for Q, that it would be good because I would be in charge of that decision. But, I have to speculate on the Braves side...how accurate do you think the report would be?

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      • Bull_Market
        Pro
        • Jul 2012
        • 618

        #3093
        Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

        What "FV" even mean?
        #HellaBandz
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        • rjackson
          MVP
          • Apr 2005
          • 1661

          #3094
          Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Bull_Market
          What "FV" even mean?
          It is on a prospect scalse of 20-80. Many teams call their overall grade an OFP, short for Overall Future Potential. Others use FV, short for Future Value, as that more accurately describes what this number is trying to do. The scout isn’t just averaging the core future tool grades; he’s trying to use one number to describe how valuable this player is on the overall player market, taking into account risk, distance to ceiling and other factors.

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          • TheLad510
            Rookie
            • Jul 2017
            • 27

            #3095
            Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

            Cubs are still interested in Sonny Gray in real life after picking up Quintana what would they offer for Gray?

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            • GamecocksLaw17
              MVP
              • Jun 2015
              • 1503

              #3096
              Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by rjackson
              I would like your opinion as a Braves fan and assuming you have a lot of knowledge on the topic. What I heard was that the Braves refused to include Acuna in a trade for Q and the ChiSox demanded him or they'd go with Jimenez. It was someone on Tomahawk Chop and I do not know if they are reliable or not. As a ChiSox franchise runner, would you say that I would be realistic doing a Q for Acuna+Gohara trade? Imfeel that if I was the Braves and I wanted to trade Acuna+ for Q, that it would be good because I would be in charge of that decision. But, I have to speculate on the Braves side...how accurate do you think the report would be?
              MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that the Braves offered Albies. With his meteoric raise I doubt they want anything to do with trading Acuña. But since Albies is a touch lower than Acuña I think the pitcher would need to be a bump up. Like Ian Anderson or something like that.

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              • rtwilli4
                Banned
                • Nov 2016
                • 226

                #3097
                Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by TheLad510
                Cubs are still interested in Sonny Gray in real life after picking up Quintana what would they offer for Gray?


                Schwarber, Candelario, a few 50FV guys. Maybe that's not enough, but as a Cubs fan I'd be unhappy if they gave up more.


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                • BlueJays09
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 2553

                  #3098
                  Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                  Just finished up my first season with the Blue Jays. Looking to make a few deals in the offseason to change up the look of the team. My vets have been great all year and I will look to cash in on a couple to bulk up the farm. I would really appreciate if someone could let me know what kind of values I am looking at for each player as I am not good at calculating them like you.

                  C Russell Martin (86 overall) 2yrs/20M - .201/.269/.403, 26 HR, 49 RBI, 1.9 WAR in 457 AB.

                  SS Troy Tulowitzki (86 overall) 3yr/27M - .267/.310/.501 34 HR 76 RBI 4.1 WAR in 521 AB.

                  2B Devon Travis (82 overall) 3yrs ARB - .208/.261/.334 9 HR 21 RBI 0.5 WAR in 371 AB

                  SP J.A Happ (81 overall) 1yr/12M - 7-6, 3.09 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 137K, 17 QS, 3.6 WAR in 177.2 IP

                  1B Justin Smoak (81 overall) 1yr/4.5M -.249/.297/.499 28 HR, 63 RBI, 2.6 WAR in 405 AB

                  RP Luke Hochever (77 overall) 1yr/2.0M - 2-1, 2.31 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, 65 K, 22 Holds, 1.6 WAR in 62.1 IP.

                  I probably won't deal all players listed, but would love to get values on each so I can maybe make a deal or two. Looking for prospect values (A/B/C) and how many of each likely I could get.

                  Thanks very much in advanced!

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                  • Pirates0515
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2017
                    • 57

                    #3099
                    Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                    I'm thinking of starting a Red Sox franchise and I was wondering should I DFA Pablo like the Red Sox did or should I try and trade him

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                    • rtwilli4
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2016
                      • 226

                      #3100
                      Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by Pirates0515
                      I'm thinking of starting a Red Sox franchise and I was wondering should I DFA Pablo like the Red Sox did or should I try and trade him


                      DFA


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                      • Pirates0515
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2017
                        • 57

                        #3101
                        Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                        I just simulated to after the All-Star break in Red Sox franchise and I'm leading the AL East, but need more production from third and first. Todd Frazier is on the trade block and I'm not sure if I should trade for him and I'm looking to add a first basemen as well. Not looking to trade Devers, Groome, or Houck otherwise everyone else is up for grabs minus my 25-Man roster. I'd trade Moreland in any deal involving a first basemen and Eduardo Rodriguez I'm just not high on so he can be involved in a trade as well.

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                        • rtwilli4
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 226

                          #3102
                          Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Pirates0515
                          I just simulated to after the All-Star break in Red Sox franchise and I'm leading the AL East, but need more production from third and first. Todd Frazier is on the trade block and I'm not sure if I should trade for him and I'm looking to add a first basemen as well. Not looking to trade Devers, Groome, or Houck otherwise everyone else is up for grabs minus my 25-Man roster. I'd trade Moreland in any deal involving a first basemen and Eduardo Rodriguez I'm just not high on so he can be involved in a trade as well.


                          Frazier to Boston is realistic and there are example trades above in this thread. Tweak depending on how he is performing in your franchise.

                          What's wrong with Moreland and Ramirez?

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                          • Pirates0515
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2017
                            • 57

                            #3103
                            Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by rtwilli4
                            Frazier to Boston is realistic and there are example trades above in this thread. Tweak depending on how he is performing in your franchise.

                            What's wrong with Moreland and Ramirez?
                            Hanley is fine, I'm just not getting any production from Moreland. Struggling at the plate and don't want to have Sam Travis play everyday at 1B. And Frazier is hitting .230 with 21 HR's

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                            • rjackson
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 1661

                              #3104
                              Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by Pirates0515
                              Hanley is fine, I'm just not getting any production from Moreland. Struggling at the plate and don't want to have Sam Travis play everyday at 1B. And Frazier is hitting .230 with 21 HR's
                              Give them a B prospect OFer or C, or a high B SP, that has not been to the majors.

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                              • Pirates0515
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2017
                                • 57

                                #3105
                                Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by rjackson
                                Give them a B prospect OFer or C, or a high B SP, that has not been to the majors.
                                thanks. who would be a good catcher to trade for?

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