so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[magoo1967]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Why not PM Brian and ask him?

He might put your concerns to bed, just like he has for me with this thread...

No offense man, but if you think it's all hogwash that's fine, but there are those of us that feel just as strongly that it's not. It's really not surprising at all that the developers wouldn't come out and say that there's a problem, this has always been the case. They usually won't acknowledge a problem until after they fix-it. I've seen them ask people to describe what they are seeing, but not actually state that there's a problem until it's fixed (ghost faces from 2 years ago, last year's extra walk off RBI's not counting, the slow lob on double plays, just to name a few). I totally respect these guys to the Nth degree, but honestly Brian can sit here explaining why Pedroia is able to pitch 5 innings of shut out ball in this game, and his reasons may very well be valid from a technical standpoint, but that don't make it realistic. I believe that there is an intermittent problem with the AI that doesn't necessarily mean that the comeback option is reversed. Just because it's not reversed doesn't mean that there is no problem at all. I would highly doubt that what is happening would be that easily explained, but it certainly can have some type of indirect effect that makes it appear to work.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

No offense man, but if you think it's all hogwash that's fine, but there are those of us that feel just as strongly that it's not. It's really not surprising at all that the developers wouldn't come out and say that there's a problem, this has always been the case. They usually won't acknowledge a problem until after they fix-it. I've seen them ask people to describe what they are seeing, but not actually state that there's a problem until it's fixed (ghost faces from 2 years ago, last year's extra walk off RBI's not counting, the slow lob on double plays, just to name a few). I totally respect these guys to the Nth degree, but honestly Brian can sit here explaining why Pedroia is able to pitch 5 innings of shut out ball in this game, and his reasons may very well be valid from a technical standpoint, but that don't make it realistic. I believe that there is an intermittent problem with the AI that doesn't necessarily mean that the comeback option is reversed. Just because it's not reversed doesn't mean that there is no problem at all, I would highly doubt that what is happening would be that easily remedied, but it certainly can have some type of indirect effect that makes it appear to work.

A lot of people on here just simply do not understand politics and how businesses operate.

For the record, I am not saying any of the dev's are lying. I think it's honestly their opinion that it's not broken. I don't see it as fact. If they think that it was broken I would be completley surprised if they said so publicly.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think it's honestly their opinion that it's not broken.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

wow thanks for contributing to the thread!

[BigWilly]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I am just stating the fact that this can not be proved/disproved for either argument in any way shape or form. It simply can not. It's all a matter of feel/opinion.

This sums it up right there. We (the OS community) can't prove or disprove this theory. I've went on record weeks ago on this thread with what I thought - but even though I took a sample of 40 games, it's still just what I "think". I couldn't prove it then, can't prove it now. I've read many of the posts since, but haven't bothered to post further. Why? Because all I care about is that the game is now playing better for me. Let me rephrase - my PERCEPTION (true or false) is the game is playing better for me now. And when it comes down to it, that's all that matters for me to enjoy playing - even if I'm wrong.

There's nothing new in this thread. It's just a re-tread of all the same stuff with lots of commentary. We all have our own opinions, whichever that is, I can't for the life of me understand why this continues to get debated so excessively given most if not everyone out there either plays with it ON or OFF and are happy with it (otherwise they'd have switched it).

This isn't meant to be a negative post, but this thread has become a side show. And the only purpose it really serves now (given it's been talked to death) is to continue to fuel the flames between some of the posters on this thread. Is it really worth continuing?

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This sums it up right there. We (the OS community) can't prove or disprove this theory. I've went on record weeks ago on this thread with what I thought - but even though I took a sample of 40 games, it's still just what I "think". I couldn't prove it then, can't prove it now. I've read many of the posts since, but haven't bothered to post further. Why? Because all I care about is that the game is now playing better for me. Let me rephrase - my PERCEPTION (true or false) is the game is playing better for me now. And when it comes down to it, that's all that matters for me to enjoy playing - even if I'm wrong.

There's nothing new in this thread. It's just a re-tread of all the same stuff with lots of commentary. We all have our own opinions, whichever that is, I can't for the life of me understand why this continues to get debated so excessively given most if not everyone out there either plays with it ON or OFF and are happy with it (otherwise they'd have switched it).

This isn't meant to be a negative post, but this thread has become a side show. And the only purpose it really serves now (given it's been talked to death) is to continue to fuel the flames between some of the posters on this thread. Is it really worth continuing?

great post man. That basically sums up this thread in a nutshell.

[jaset7]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Count me in with Dave, I believe this game plays differently with comeback on. I have played around 100 games and about 30 with the comeback on and the occurrence of bullpen blowups have decreased significantly. It is also easier to strikeout the CPU, and the amount of close games have also decreased. It surprises me how many people see a different result with this feature, its almost like there are two different disks??

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Count me in with Dave, I believe this game plays differently with comeback on. I have played around 100 games and about 30 with the comeback on and the occurrence of bullpen blowups have decreased significantly. It is also easier to strikeout the CPU, and the amount of close games have also decreased. It surprises me how many people see a different result with this feature, its almost like there are two different disks??

Exactly what I said man. I honestly thought there was at one point because that's how much I value everybody else's opinion on here. As strong as I feel about it playing different, respected posters feel just as strong the opposite so it's very strange.

Your post though is basically EXACTLY how I feel this game plays with it ON to a TEE.

[jaset7]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Ya very strange. Nonetheless, for me the game plays much more like 08 with the comeback on, I am glad you guys gave it a shot and helped out those of us who were having trouble with all the close games.

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Anyone see the May 2009 issue of PC Gamer? They have an article listing the worst jobs in the gaming industry.

Game Tester:

"You work long hours, get yelled at by incompetent managers, accused of lying when bugs are hard to reproduce, spit on by arrogant devs when you point out gaping flaws in their code, and then fired simply because they're done with you. You weren't making much money either."

Then you have the other side of the coin:

Game Programmer:

Too long to write in full but here is the basic rundown:

"Deteriorating health as you are forced to ignore sleep & family while working 6 days a week, 12-14 hours shifts with no OT, bonuses, comp time etc."

We are lucky the devs take time out of their busy schedules to check in with these forums. Hopefully they are listening, and hopefully we are taking our time to post constructive criticism for the greater good rather than whimsical bashing after playing a couple games.

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Also, there seems to be quite a few "rookies" with few posts in their history supporting comeback ON plays a better game. Makes me wonder

All comeback ON did for me was have the CPU comeback everytime I took the lead.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Also, there seems to be quite a few "rookies" with few posts in their history supporting comeback ON plays a better game. Makes me wonder

All comeback ON did for me was have the CPU comeback everytime I took the lead.

hey your status is rookie too! LMAO :wink:

[slthree]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Also, there seems to be quite a few "rookies" with few posts in their history supporting comeback ON plays a better game. Makes me wonder .

I don't think a person's status as a poster here validates or invalidates an argument.

I was once a rookie and before I ever posted I knew a whole lot about sports (played at very high competitive levels) and video games (have played way too many hours in my post sports lifetime).

Conversely, there are guys with thousands upon thousands of posts who can be total a-holes, arrogant, and classless.

For as many posts as there are in this thread, it has been quite civil and mature. I wish every hotly debated topic was like this.

Meanwhile, I am as confused as ever because I believe what Brian says, yet, I'm seeing better games (especially in relation to 'closer' behavior) with it "ON".

I'm open to the possibility that its just in my head, but darn, I really think I see it.

[buttsakk]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I've been playing the last 15-20 games with this set to ON.

And I must say, my experience has been a 180 from the OP's experience.

At the very least 9 out of my last 10 games have all been Pitchers Duals, with the runs being scored in the late innings. Now, I'm fine with that but when the CPU copies exactly what I did in the inning before, this does become annoying.

I.E. SF(me) vs SD. Game goes into the top of the 8th with 0-0 tie. I get up and pop a double down the left field line with a runner on 2nd. I go up 1-0.
Next half inning my Reliever Bob Howry somehow loses all control for all his pitches, I end up walking the 6th and 7th batters, then Jason Kenddell(sp?) and pulls an outside fastball down the 3rd base line and gets the runner on 2nd home.

Ok thats fine stuff like this happens all the time... right? So the game continues into the bottom of the 14th, right after I have Rowand hit a 2-run homer. YESS.... to make a long story short I walk (due to odd pitcher control loss) the next batter and give up a two run homer, again tied at 3-3.

So I'm convenced that this is not broken (backwards) as suggested. But then again this is just My experience and mine alone.

[pbz06]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I've been playing the last 15-20 games with this set to ON.

And I must say, my experience has been a 180 from the OP's experience.

At the very least 9 out of my last 10 games have all been Pitchers Duals, with the runs being scored in the late innings. Now, I'm fine with that but when the CPU copies exactly what I did in the inning before, this does become annoying.

I.E. SF(me) vs SD. Game goes into the top of the 8th with 0-0 tie. I get up and pop a double down the left field line with a runner on 2nd. I go up 1-0.
Next half inning my Reliever Bob Howry somehow loses all control for all his pitches, I end up walking the 6th and 7th batters, then Jason Kenddell(sp?) and pulls an outside fastball down the 3rd base line and gets the runner on 2nd home.

Ok thats fine stuff like this happens all the time... right? So the game continues into the bottom of the 14th, right after I have Rowand hit a 2-run homer. YESS.... to make a long story short I walk (due to odd pitcher control loss) the next batter and give up a two run homer, again tied at 3-3.

So I'm convenced that this is not broken (backwards) as suggested. But then again this is just My experience and mine alone.

Yea, it's definately NOT broken nor is it reversed in any way. This is obvious and even the programmer himself stated so. We're going in circles beating the same dead horse, lol.

As I've said before and I'll say it again, the problem isn't a comeback AI at all. It's the fact that the CPU punishes you and has the big innings and is VERY VERY hard this year, even on lower levels. The CPU goes on punishing modes whether they are trailing, tied, or ahead already.

I think people are confusing this as a comeback glitch.