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  • boyd0
    Rookie
    • Apr 2008
    • 68

    #136
    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

    ok well played my first game on VETERAN with cpu comeback on..

    Yankees: 3 14 0
    Indians: 7 13 0

    W: Aaron Laffey
    L: Wang

    It felt like my power was drained from me kind of..my hitters couldnt get it near the wall only player that did was arod but he doubled twice off the wall..and everytime i scored the cpu came screamin back at me lol it was a hitting machine..

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    • GoBucs09
      Pro
      • Feb 2009
      • 629

      #137
      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

      I'm interested in finding out the results of this as well. It is entirely possible that the Comeback AI option could be reversed. While SCEA intended the new option to be off by default, the coding logic might have been misinterpreted and coded backwards thereby making the OFF option actually be on and the ON option actually is off.

      From reading threads like "Too many 2 out comebacks" and "This game has comeback AI written all over it" there are people who are having trouble and people who don't see it. For the sake of argument let's assume that the Comeback AI option is actually reversed, then its possible that the people that don't notice a difference are just really good at the game and the people having trouble are just average gamers who while they might be good, they are just not good enough to defeat comeback AI option.

      I would suggest everyone try the game with the option on for a few games, just to see what happens. What is the worst that could happen? You lose? Just change it back and report your findings. But what happens if you play the game with the option on and all of a sudden the game is a lot easier or manageable. Weird huh?

      I know I'm going to try it tonight.
      "I am more valuable to my team hitting .330 than swinging for home runs." - Roberto Clemente

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      • davewins
        MVP
        • Sep 2005
        • 1913

        #138
        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

        Look guys I didn't read any posts yet because I have been out for the last 3 hours. I have 3 pms to read.

        I know it's only 2 games and I have to play more. I shouldn't of said that I was so sure after 2 games even though I honestly am. I shouldn't of said that with as much confidence because people like to jump on that.

        Bottom line is it's only 2 games and I will continue to play even though honestly if it was 100 games I don't think it would make a difference. All I know is that if I had the comeback turned to ON then why didn't they come back at all?? Why didn't I see this?? Wouldn't it be obvious?? I am just going by 2 games and judging it from the 100 games that I am so used to.

        In the 2 games that I played with it on compared to the 100+ games I played with it default it's like night and day. If I had it on then why wouldn't I see a comeback?? Everything felt right. Nothing felt remotely close to the CPU having any type of comeback attribute boost on. I was up by 10 runs in my first game and the description in the game for ai comeback is small hitting bonuses when down by a small amount but when down by more then 4 runs a larger bonus. Something along those lines. Wouldn't I see a hint of this in my 2 blowouts?? It's not like I was up by just 1 run in these 2 games. I had a sustantial lead in both games. I didn't blow them out in the 7th inning. I blew them out in the 3rd and held that lead.

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        • davewins
          MVP
          • Sep 2005
          • 1913

          #139
          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

          Originally posted by Ruffy
          Here's something to debate?

          How about everyone tell us their age when they make a post. It would definately give us some perspective on things.

          I'm 32, haven't seen it all but have experienced alot in terms of baseball. I worked in the sports industry for about 6 years, including 3 years at Sportscenter in Canada.

          I've seen alot of baseball games....ALOT!! Some days at TSN I'd get paid to 2 the highlights for 2 games 7pm and a west coaster later. Sometimes when we were short people I'd see 2 games at once. I have no idea how many games I've seen in my life but its a ton.

          I just haven't seen anything crazy in the show to dispute what I've seen for years in MLB and MILB.

          But hey if you think its something...and it works for you and your enjoying it on your end thats all that matters....just don't try to convince me without tons of proof. (i.e. completed seasons, with different teams etc.) Research is actually hard work fellas.
          What does age have to do with anything????? I am 26, what does that matter??

          There is no such thing as really any proof over the internet. How could I prove anything to you about this?? Just play for yourself.

          I can't prove anything to anybody on the internet. If you don't believe it or see it then fine. I don't even know why you opened this thread up. Not saying that that's the case but if it is I just don't understand the point of opening a thread up. I know it's your right to and I would say absolutley it is. But, what would you possibly get out of it. Again, this is not directed to you because I don't know your intentions. I just wanted to make this thread to help people and not start a big debate about who is right or who is wrong because nobody will ever win that debate. Nobody can prove or disprove this. It's just simply here for the many people that have had this "issue" and to hopefully help them out as well. We can argue about if it's there or not until we are blue in the face and nobody will ever be right or wrong.

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          • brunnoce
            MVP
            • Mar 2005
            • 4133

            #140
            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

            starting my tests now!
            praying it works for me!
            ---------------
            PSN: brunnoce
            Thanx Knight165

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            • davewins
              MVP
              • Sep 2005
              • 1913

              #141
              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

              Originally posted by GoBucs09
              I'm interested in finding out the results of this as well. It is entirely possible that the Comeback AI option could be reversed. While SCEA intended the new option to be off by default, the coding logic might have been misinterpreted and coded backwards thereby making the OFF option actually be on and the ON option actually is off.

              From reading threads like "Too many 2 out comebacks" and "This game has comeback AI written all over it" there are people who are having trouble and people who don't see it. For the sake of argument let's assume that the Comeback AI option is actually reversed, then its possible that the people that don't notice a difference are just really good at the game and the people having trouble are just average gamers who while they might be good, they are just not good enough to defeat comeback AI option.

              I would suggest everyone try the game with the option on for a few games, just to see what happens. What is the worst that could happen? You lose? Just change it back and report your findings. But what happens if you play the game with the option on and all of a sudden the game is a lot easier or manageable. Weird huh?

              I know I'm going to try it tonight.
              I consider myself an above average gamer. I wasn't having problems with losing on Legend because of this. It was just annoying giving up hit after hit after hit after hit after hit after my pitcher got a little rattled and I had the lead. I would win games. In fact I don't think I have lost too many games because of it. I have won games. It seemed like every single game I played had to be close.

              Reason I tried it was because I wanted to see if possibly there was any difference. If possibly it was more noticeable. If I played and said "wow the CPU is TOUGH with this thing set on". Instead of saying that to myself I was saying "wow I actually have a 6 run lead in the 3rd inning with a #3 pitcher on a below average team (Marlins) playing an above average team (Reds) and I actually held that lead from the 3rd inning until the end of the game".

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              • davewins
                MVP
                • Sep 2005
                • 1913

                #142
                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                Originally posted by jim416
                Whose Dallas, and who was talking about Dallas?

                You just hit the nail on the head with countryboy. His gamer ability allows him to keep pace with, or defeat LEGEND mode. That's just the way it is with difficulty modes.

                And for someone to say there is a cheat purposely put in the game is laughable. Unless SCEA just wanted to completely ruin their reputation with serious baseball gamers.
                I don't know who ever said that but I am just reiterating the fact that I personally DO NOT think that's the case. In fact I would go ahead and say that I am pretty much 100% positive that that's NOT the case.

                All I am saying (and this is not directed at you Jim, I just wanted to quote what you said there) is that I found it very weird that nobody had ever mentioned anything about comeback ai built into the game until the VERY FIRST YEAR THAT THEY CAME OUT WITH IT. This is the first year that they introduced this comeback option and now all of a sudden people are seeing it. This made me think (with the help of baa7) that hey maybe they did reverse this. How hard can it be to play a couple games with it set to "ON" and see how some games play out.

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                • Speedy
                  #Ace
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 16143

                  #143
                  Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                  Originally posted by Ruffy
                  If you don't want opinions then don't create a thread. Start a blog and PM eachother...this is an open forum....if you post expect support and criticism.

                  If you don't want feedback other than followers of your theories or gameplay thoughts...then start a blog in your arena and pm eachother or post on your walls....it would have the same effect.
                  Dude quit posting in this thread...the only thing it's doing is taking space.
                  Originally posted by Gibson88
                  Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                  It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                  • SoxFan01605
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 7982

                    #144
                    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                    Originally posted by davewins
                    I don't know who ever said that but I am just reiterating the fact that I personally DO NOT think that's the case. In fact I would go ahead and say that I am pretty much 100% positive that that's NOT the case.

                    All I am saying (and this is not directed at you Jim, I just wanted to quote what you said there) is that I found it very weird that nobody had ever mentioned anything about comeback ai built into the game until the VERY FIRST YEAR THAT THEY CAME OUT WITH IT. This is the first year that they introduced this comeback option and now all of a sudden people are seeing it. This made me think (with the help of baa7) that hey maybe they did reverse this. How hard can it be to play a couple games with it set to "ON" and see how some games play out.
                    This isn't entirely true. People have accused this game of being scripted for years (at least since it donned "The Show" moniker). Last year there were several debates about "comeback AI" also.

                    That's not to say that it couldn't be switched. I just know some people have been claiming this for years. If anything, the biggest mistake SCEA made was to include it as an option...lol. Now some people feel they have validation to their conspiracy theory.

                    Not saying that's the case with you, BTW, just explaining that it would be seen by at least some whether or not the option was ever there.

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                    • davewins
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 1913

                      #145
                      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                      Originally posted by bfindeisen
                      Haha, thats the whole point of having Legend difficulty, isn't it?? So that it is extremely hard to blow them out...and no I don't think its "too much of a coincidence" to play 100 close games before 2 consecutive blow outs...there could be so many things to explain this...the user has gotten better over those 100 games and now hits better, for example could be a reason...or just that this guy seems dead set on finding a reason for this "comeback option reversal" that he is having a self-fulfilling prophecy and focused so much on blowing them out in those 2 games just to prove in his own mind his point.
                      It's not just the fact that I blew them out. It's the fact that I maintainted the BIG LEAD for more the entire game (from the 3rd inning on). It states in the game something along the lines of when the comeback is turned on, the cpu gets a small hitting bonus and when they are down by more then 4 runs the bonus becomes bigger. This is meant to keep games close and exciting and make it hard to beat the CPU. Florida Marlins vs Cincinnati Reds with #3 starters going and I didn't have a problem. I sailed through the game. I actually got bored and was just cruising on the mound. Flying through cut scenes and just hit R2 to see where that catcher wanted it and just threw it in there. I pitched NO different in my 2 games than I have in the previous 100+.

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                      • davewins
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 1913

                        #146
                        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                        Originally posted by SoxFan01605
                        This isn't entirely true. People have accused this game of being scripted for years (at least since it donned "The Show" moniker). Last year there were several debates about "comeback AI" also.

                        That's not to say that it couldn't be switched. I just know some people have been claiming this for years. If anything, the biggest mistake SCEA made was to include it as an option...lol. Now some people feel they have validation to their conspiracy theory.

                        Not saying that's the case with you, BTW, just explaining that it would be seen by at least some whether or not the option was ever there.
                        Well I have been here for a few years now and this is the only forum I go to. I have not seen the comeback threads like I have seen this year. Not saying that you're lying but it was nowhere near as prevalent as this year.

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                        • brunnoce
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 4133

                          #147
                          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                          dave do u have msn? add me [email protected]
                          please.
                          ---------------
                          PSN: brunnoce
                          Thanx Knight165

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                          • davewins
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 1913

                            #148
                            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                            Originally posted by BigWilly
                            I posted on another thread that my ERA has gone from 3.80 (over 20 games), to 5.87 (over the LAST 20 games). I've made no changes to sliders or the difficulty (Veteran). The only difference is that I have gotten a lot better offensively - my last 20 games I'm average 6 runs/game. So, when I was scoring 4 runs/game, the CPU was getting 3.80 runs/game. Now I'm scoring 6 runs/game, and the CPU is getting 5.87 ERA off me. The Combeback AI option states the CPU has some advantages when it's behind. My 40 game sample size would lend some credence Dave's theory that perhaps the Comeback AI is OFF when instead it really is ON. Everyone needs to keep in mind Comeback AI doesn't guarantee that the CPU will come back every time - but it does increase the likelihood by some amount. I think my 40 game sample size is showing this is likely the case.
                            That's it right there. This isn't an etched in stone type thing. It's not going to happen every single game. It's all about executing because it's not like the game can not be beat if there is comeback ai. It just makes it more difficult and you have to be that much sharper. So the fact that countryboy has won big just means that he has pitched EXCELLENT in those situations, it doesn't mean that you can say "look, CB did it, there is no comeback ai, end of discussion."

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                            • SoxFan01605
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 7982

                              #149
                              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                              Originally posted by davewins
                              Well I have been here for a few years now and this is the only forum I go to. I have not seen the comeback threads like I have seen this year. Not saying that you're lying but it was nowhere near as prevalent as this year.
                              lol...I forgot the world revolves around O.S. While I've only had this membership since 2008 (which I realize ties into credibility around here...lol) I assure you I'm not talking out of my rear.

                              Jokes aside, what you say is true but that speaks to my point. People panicked as soon as they saw the option. It doesn't prove anything.

                              It could just as easily be people reacting to the fact that the game is more difficult and the option is there, rather than the option being "bugged."

                              I'm not saying it isn't. It's a plausible argument. It just seems some have decided on the point and don't want discussion, only validation.

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                              • davewins
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 1913

                                #150
                                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                                Originally posted by Ruffy
                                Wow for the guy that was asking us our age he posts this?

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