Franchise Issues

[joshopsu]

Re: Franchise Issues

So after reading much of this thread, people are stating that top-level prospects are showing up in the free agent pool. From what know, I believe that a player can't become a FA until earning 6 years at the major league level.

So, are the prospects in the FA pool because

a) the teams are able to re-sign them because of salary cap issues due to attribute inflation?

or

b) the developers didn't put in the proper process in which free agency and minor leaguers and draft picks work?

[Braves Fan]

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This is a huge issue for me as well. Top guys/prospects that are under team control--and not even eligible for arby yet--should not become free agents under any circumstances. Especially when the renewable contracts are on the cheaper side. As an Example: I'm a Pirates fan. Andrew McCutchen made $425,000 last year. He is not arby eligible until after 2012 (team controls his rights thru 2015). He is also our best player. SO, under no circumstances would he--or guys in similar situations--be allowed just to slide into free agency without having even been offered a contract renewal. But so far this is what I'm seeing in my own sims, just like in this screenshot (FYI: All it would take to renew Jason Heyward is $400,000).

So while this may not "break the game", as a Franchise guy, it is definitely a "gamebreaking" issue. This is my first experience with The Show (just got a PS3 on Black Friday) and was one of the main reasons (along with Uncharted and God of War) I shelled out the cash for the system. And so far I think the game is amazing. But seeing as how Franchise mode is really the only thing I care about, this is a tough pill to swallow. In reading through this and other threads I notice there are "workarounds" and such but... I'm not trying to invest any extra time into "fixing" things that, in all honesty, are fundamental and should not need to be fixed. I shouldn't have to control all 30 teams as is suggested to have a semi-realistic franchise experience. Nor should I have to purposely stunt prospect growth in order to stop them from blossoming into good and, in turn, more expensive players.

Please, devs, please... you need to fix these issues. They may seem superficial and they may not be the most important to everybody but I assure you they are important to a lot of us.

Can this be patched? I hope so because I agree this is kind of a game killer for everyone that loves franchise mode. Unless you want to use 30 team control and fix it yourself (which I don't) then this is a big issue. If they can't patch it then I hope next year the focus is on fixing franchise mode. Even if no other improvements are made and it's the exact same game from '11 I think it'll be worth the $60 for a lot of people.

[Nez477]

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Not that I necessarily need to chime in and say it, but I'm another guy that am actually not buying the game due to reading this thread. $60 is a lot to me, I'm a franchise player, and I love realistic MLB play (I'm an OOTP player that has loved The Show as well, but I'd love the two to be married).

I know that you can't get close to the GM feel of OOTP in The Show, but something as silly as Jason Heyward not being offered his normal annual pre-arbitration contract is really really a game-breaker for me and would lessen my enjoyment of the game immensely. I know that I can take total control and manage everything but I shouldn't have to IMO.

[Drew127]

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Is it possible that none of the massive code updates (re: the thread about offseason and FA logic being greatly improved) made it into the final build? It was mentioned the 2013 fix apparently didn't make it, but with these other issues cropping up, it seems to me that NONE of the fixes made it in.

Hopefully it's as simple as releasing a patch which includes the changes that were somehow left out of the release build.

[spencedee]

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This is a huge issue for me as well. Top guys/prospects that are under team control--and not even eligible for arby yet--should not become free agents under any circumstances. Especially when the renewable contracts are on the cheaper side. As an Example: I'm a Pirates fan. Andrew McCutchen made $425,000 last year. He is not arby eligible until after 2012 (team controls his rights thru 2015). He is also our best player. SO, under no circumstances would he--or guys in similar situations--be allowed just to slide into free agency without having even been offered a contract renewal. But so far this is what I'm seeing in my own sims, just like in this screenshot (FYI: All it would take to renew Jason Heyward is $400,000).

so if someone did want to use 30 team control you could just go to the Braves screen and renew this deal?? thats awfully tedious for 30 teams but possible...

[tonybologna]

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so if someone did want to use 30 team control you could just go to the Braves screen and renew this deal?? thats awfully tedious for 30 teams but possible...

Yes! 30 team control will solve those problems. This gives you control of all teams and what you do with them.

BTW, Russell stated back on page #4 that this would be fixed. He's not posted stating how though. We'd have to assume it can be patched. However, he's not really made it clear to us what can be done about it other than just fixing it.

He also stated they had fixed this back months ago when testing the game. The problem with that was from PC testing & not from the PS3 console. At least that's my understanding. Why wouldn't it be tested from the actual PS3 console itself? I love this game but that doesn't seem like the right way to test it out to see if it's been fixed.

I hope in the next couple days Russell can come on here and verify this certainly can be patched. I'm sure he's looking into it right now. Maybe we'll see something announced about this soon. Maybe it will just be part of the patch notes once a patch becomes available. I just hope we can get answers before that happens. Thanks!

[Braves Fan]

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Yes! 30 team control will solve those problems. This gives you control of all teams and what you do with them.

BTW, Russell stated back on page #4 that this would be fixed. He's not posted stating how though. We'd have to assume it can be patched. However, he's not really made it clear to us what can be done about it other than just fixing it.

He also stated they had fixed this back months ago when testing the game. The problem with that was from PC testing & not from the PS3 console. At least that's my understanding. Why wouldn't it be tested from the actual PS3 console itself? I love this game but that doesn't seem like the right way to test it out to see if it's been fixed.

I hope in the next couple days Russell can come on here and verify this certainly can be patched. I'm sure he's looking into it right now. Maybe we'll see something announced about this soon. Maybe it will just be part of the patch notes once a patch becomes available. I just hope we can get answers before that happens. Thanks!

That's what I'm hoping, I'm going to go ahead and play my franchise and hope that it's fixed before I finish year one.

[[Icy]]

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I can't remember, but was past year patch savegame compatible or did we have to start anew RTTS/Franchise to the get the fixes?

I as because i take things slow, so if the patch is savegame compatible, i might start now an RTTS as i won't reach my 3rd season anytime soon and then get it fixed later once the patch is released.

[Legionnaire]

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This isn't a bug I've done about 50 plus simulations on very high rated guys not being re-signed by their own team. Sometimes they re-sign sometimes they don't the cpu makes the best decisions on their budget and needs. It can't get much better than that. Pujols most likely isn't going to be in a Cardinals uniform by the end of the year (maybe). The Rays didn't re-sign Crawford and Werth took a monster contract from Nats.

It's still a video game

Heyward and Hanson being turned loose as 22 and 25-year olds isn't quite the same thing as guys being turned loose when they're 29 or 30-something and they're no longer controlled by the team after so many years of MLB service. If you don't consider it a bug, you should think about considering it.

A particularly cheap team might trade a guy once he becomes eligible for arbitration and therefore more expensive than they'd like. But they don't tend to just let them walk (unless the guy has a low ceiling and they decide to cut ties rather than risk the arbitration figure being uncomfortably high).

Even when it's obvious a team won't be able to keep the guy long-term, they enjoy the few years when he's making peanuts (400,000-ish), they bite the bullet for the few years when the arbitrator awards him six figures, and they only let him go when he's no longer team-controlled. Or maybe trade him a year before he gets his freedom just to make sure they get something out of the deal.

[VitaminKG21]

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It's been a very long time since I posted here, but reading through this entire thread it further illustrates to me that pro sports games are best enjoyed in franchise mode when you do a fantasy draft.

Trying to get realism from CPU logic just seems like an exercise in tail chasing. Wake me when Knight's rosters are finished.

[leafs nation]

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# 21Russell_SCEA @ 01/24/11 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tabarnes19

Very interesting. Can you elaborate more? Is the cpu looking for something different now? What offseason adjustments have been made? Trades, FA signings, arbitration, renewing etc...?

Have the bugs from 10 been fleshed out? 2013 issues as well as not being able to trade until Jan. 1st?

Thanks again guys.


What are the 2013 issues?


Just thought I would put this in. It is a direct copy and paste of a response from Russell. Response #21 page 2. Someone asks about the issue being dealt with now allegedly and he says "what are the 2013 issues?" Some of you are saying he had it fixed months ago but that's when this was posted. Months ago he was saying he didn't even know there was an issue. Low and behold here we are again same issue as last year. It was posted January 24, 2011 in an article called "MLB 11 The Show: Franchise Trade and Off Season Logic Has Been Massively Improved" you can find it as easily as I did without hunting around as I have found the date and title here for you guys.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Everyone here might be getting worked up for nothing. These guys always try to correct anything. They want it right just like us and I do not think they would ever try to mislead anyone.

I am confident that all these issues will be addressed in a patch. But like they have said before, they only can fix things if they know about it.

[noe1else]

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# 21Russell_SCEA @ 01/24/11 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tabarnes19

Very interesting. Can you elaborate more? Is the cpu looking for something different now? What offseason adjustments have been made? Trades, FA signings, arbitration, renewing etc...?

Have the bugs from 10 been fleshed out? 2013 issues as well as not being able to trade until Jan. 1st?

Thanks again guys.


What are the 2013 issues?


Just thought I would put this in. It is a direct copy and paste of a response from Russell. Response #21 page 2. Someone asks about the issue being dealt with now allegedly and he says "what are the 2013 issues?" Some of you are saying he had it fixed months ago but that's when this was posted. Months ago he was saying he didn't even know there was an issue. Low and behold here we are again same issue as last year. It was posted January 24, 2011 in an article called "MLB 11 The Show: Franchise Trade and Off Season Logic Has Been Massively Improved" you can find it as easily as I did without hunting around as I have found the date and title here for you guys.

He was being sarcastic....

and could we stop calling it "30 team control" and maybe call it "30 team access" so the new guys to "The Show" will stop thinking they have to control the other teams day-to-day operations, or even go to the other 29 teams page for that matter.."I'm just saying"

[BoSoxPujols]

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Sounds like its a deeper issue in the coding of the way teams offer arbitration to minor leaguers. I doubt that can be patched to have players under team control for 6 seasons.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Sounds like its a deeper issue in the coding of the way teams offer arbitration to minor leaguers. I doubt that can be patched to have players under team control for 6 seasons.

Actually in 09 it worked. Last year and this year it hasn't. I think it is the reason for the 2013 bug.

Salaries are tied to ratings/positions in this game. The CPU sees these players as Free Agents so it either offers a salary(if it can afford it) or let them walk and hit open market. Now when you flood the market with highly rated A potential prospects and have existing Vets, who will the cpu sign? The younger guy... So a guy like Dominic Brown will be signed to 8-10 mil a year and a guy like Ordonez sits.

When we disable training the players don't increase their attributes as fast so by the time they are making huge money the Vets have already retired.

If the cpu even had it hard coded to always offer min. salary until they have 3 years MLB service time and then offer Arb to 6 years MLB service time it would be much better.

The good young players and prospects would remain cheap until they hit the open market.