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  • Neolithic
    Pro
    • Apr 2003
    • 699

    #196
    Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

    without digging through the roster foundation screens for every team in depth, the ones I have looked through, a lot of the young potential studs end up with 5 and 6 year deals from the CPU, I don't always know if it's when they could get them arbitration or not, some probably. Take SFG with Lincecum and Posey, both of them got 6 year deals during the first offseason I believe. I don't think I've found the underlying culprit, only SCEA will probably be able to do that since they know the code running under the hood during all this. However, I think I might have found the way to fix it from the other side, which is take away the GM's need to stay under a budget and make "real" decisions about who to keep and who to let go. I did notice a LOT when I did a 30 team control test before this one, that almost EVERY team had notices pop up that they had reached the maximum roster limit, and all outstanding offers were recinded. I'm not sure no budget helps that or not.

    However, thus far I've at least in ONE test now, gotten a franchise to let you use 1 team (preserving the Trade Logic that appears to get modified if you assign "control" to a team, even if everything is on auto) , and while probably not the most realisticly speaking (most teams would use arbitration, and the knowledge they have control over a person for a few more years to keep costs down) by allowing them "unlimited*" budget room they do sign their young players to long term deals, that at least in the end, keep them on a team instead of rotting in a FA list.

    As I said before, the CPU doesn't become the Yankees, smaller market teams will still spend less than big market teams. As long as you as the player maintain self control and don't just "buy" a team (which, the budget numbers still move and adjust, they'll say you have -$ if you go over the owner budget, they just don't mean anything as far as stopping a transaction) so as long as you act accordingly, I think it shouldn't get out of hand.

    I'm still going to run some more simulations to see what I can screw with.


    Feel free to give me your thoughts, ideas, comments, things that make my idea worthless and for nothing

    With luck, SCEA will throw a patch out soon that fixes everything up nice and neat like.
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    • Instant C1a55ic
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      • Mar 2007
      • 2957

      #197
      Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

      Originally posted by Neolithic

      As I said before, the CPU doesn't become the Yankees, smaller market teams will still spend less than big market teams. As long as you as the player maintain self control and don't just "buy" a team (which, the budget numbers still move and adjust, they'll say you have -$ if you go over the owner budget, they just don't mean anything as far as stopping a transaction) so as long as you act accordingly, I think it shouldn't get out of hand.
      Just wanted some clarification, the above pertains to a SINGLE controlled team correct? Cause i can live with the budgets off till all of this is patched.
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      • Neolithic
        Pro
        • Apr 2003
        • 699

        #198
        Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

        yes, the simulation I posted is with a SINGLE user controlled team, in my case the Cubs.

        I'm going to take some time tomorrow and do the same thing, just with 30 team control, and just not step in on the other 29 teams.
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        • andrewochs615
          Rookie
          • Jan 2011
          • 318

          #199
          Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

          so even with the budget off you can still view your teams budget but you can just go over without a problem? Because then I guess you can just pretend and not go over, that would not be too bad.

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          • joshopsu
            Rookie
            • Apr 2009
            • 114

            #200
            Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

            Originally posted by Neolithic
            I'm finishing up my sim of the 2015 offseason (or whatever year will start the season off in 2016)

            results so far are positive from what I can see. I'm doing my own approach first. Then I will proceed with the one villian has been doing. Should have screenshots up shortly.

            Quick rundown: so far I've had ONE "B" potential guy in his mid 20's become a FA as of the start of spring training. Everyone else has been "C" potential or lower


            Also: the Red Sox have won like 3 WS in my sim, and were in a 4th one but lost to PHI. They beat my Cubs for one of them!!!! ::shakes fist::
            No top prospects will appear in the FA pool around spring training. They start to show up December 2nd and get signed by other teams quickly.

            The problem is the the bigger names will not properly get the offers they deserve, because prospects are being signed as free agents to bigger contracts than they deserve.
            Last edited by joshopsu; 03-17-2011, 11:59 AM. Reason: addition

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            • Knight165
              *ll St*r
              • Feb 2003
              • 24964

              #201
              Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

              Originally posted by srudoff
              Perhaps in a long thread where guys are forgoing playing the game they bought to try to troubleshoot a huge problem, if SCEA chimed in to provide some input as to the "inner workings" as it pertains to their work or progress on this bug, people wouldn't be speculating. Even if it's to say thanks for your feedback, it's really helping us figure this out, we should (or shouldn't) be able to fix this with a patch.

              Think the guys spending all of their time running test sims have earned it. But that's just my opinion.
              Ummmm.....no.
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              Oh...wait..you're not.

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              • Heroesandvillains
                MVP
                • May 2009
                • 5974

                #202
                Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                Originally posted by ktd1976
                did you offer any contracts for any of the "cpu" teams?

                I think it's unrealistic to NOT have a user team with manual control. Everyone would control at least one team, I think
                No. In my first sim, I offered 4 contracts in the final offseason. Remember, offering doesn't force the player to take the deal.

                Last night, I had all that set to auto. 'My 3 teams' made their own moves. Basically, I was testing the theory that simply offering arbitration after the exclusive negotiation period/contract renewals would jump start the entire league into doing something similar...or if simming one day at a time was the key.

                In the first sim, that seemed to be the case. One or the other seemed to force things to work.

                In the second sim, during the 2013 offseason, it didn't.

                TBarnes and I agreed that I should remove some variables.

                Either way, in it's current state, trade logic is not working in 30 team franchises as it is during single team.

                We need to narrow down these tests everyone. The single team Cubs tester above me did some really nice work!!! Now, how can we narrow it down...removing variables in order to isolate the problem?

                Unless someone has any idea how I can alter the tests I'm running.

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                • Braves Fan
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1151

                  #203
                  Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                  Originally posted by Neolithic
                  yes, the simulation I posted is with a SINGLE user controlled team, in my case the Cubs.

                  I'm going to take some time tomorrow and do the same thing, just with 30 team control, and just not step in on the other 29 teams.
                  I use single team control, I just don't want to mess with the 30 team control this year. I don't have that much time on my hands and it's annoying anyway.

                  So what you are saying is if I just turn the budgets off there is no glitch?

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                  • sid77
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 50

                    #204
                    Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                    I've just got the game. A similar bug was in MLB10 and was patched. After installation of the patch I didn't need to restart my franchise, will it be the same in MLB11? Usually takes me MONTHS to finish a season anyway so I won't be affected for a while.

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                    • tonybologna
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 9092

                      #205
                      Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                      Originally posted by sid77
                      I've just got the game. A similar bug was in MLB10 and was patched. After installation of the patch I didn't need to restart my franchise, will it be the same in MLB11? Usually takes me MONTHS to finish a season anyway so I won't be affected for a while.
                      No! This similar bug wasn't patched last year either. The development team has stated this was fixed months ago during testing & it popped back up once consumers got their hands on the official game release. They've(well Russell said this anyhow) also said this would be fixed but only time will tell.
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                      • Neolithic
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 699

                        #206
                        Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                        Originally posted by joshopsu
                        No top prospects will appear in the FA pool around spring training. They start to show up December 2nd and get signed by other teams quickly.

                        The problem is the the bigger names will not properly get the offers they deserve, because prospects are being signed as free agents to bigger contracts than they deserve.

                        As best I can recall, and I'll watch closer on today's sims, I don't recall seeing a LOT of younger guys in FA during december, after the exclusive period. I do know for sure, that my older, in their prime players, were getting offers and getting signed in FA in my sims.

                        Most teams signed their younger players to long term deals (since they didn't have to worry about a budget) when they got to arbitration years. I know from looking at the roster foundation sheets for a few teams, the section of "didn't tender contract" was rather small, maybe 2-4 players a team. Teams usually had a few arbitration cases a year. And the "renewed contract" section after Feb 15, was usually rather large.

                        All in all, it might not be a perfect recreation of reality, ( OOTP takes care of the inner GM in me ) But it has masked the issue to a point that suspending disbelief is plausable. I'll have some more info after I run a few more sims today. More single team control, and then some multi-team control.
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                        • Heroesandvillains
                          MVP
                          • May 2009
                          • 5974

                          #207
                          Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                          Neolithic,

                          Could you post your exact steps/settings for the sim with the most favorable results?

                          Also, did you sim the offseason one day at a time?

                          I may like to join you on the tests.

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                          • Neolithic
                            Pro
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 699

                            #208
                            Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                            Sure,

                            I control a single team, with all my profile settings to auto, so the CPU would handle everything for me.

                            I turned Budgets off in the franchise options when I started it.
                            Then I just simmed the spring training. Simmed the season, and postseason.

                            At the offseason, I would handle the resign work by offering contracts to all my own FA, be them contract renewals, arbitration, or straight offers. I basically cheated in the sense that with not budget, I made sure I got ALL of my players to resign, either through long term deals, arbitration, and then contract renewals for any of the young guys who didn't want to take a longer term deal. I did this to take my team out of the mix as far as FA goes.

                            I picked arbitrary dates for simming. Usually, Dec 2, then the end of the year, then Feb 15th, then I could offer contract renewal to anyone who didn't accept my offer from the first days of FA, then finished out the offseason.

                            This time I'll watch closer to the FA pool as of Dec 3rd, I don't recall seeing a lot of younger A and B potential guys gettin dumped into the pool, but I'll watch closer this time.

                            Hopefully that was descriptive enough.

                            EDIT: The CPU would offer contracts to other FA's in my sim, since I had everything on Auto, I didn't offer any contracts to anyone but the FA that were expiring contracts from my team. I didn't mess with it, if the CPU wanted to sign someone, I let them make their offers.
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                            • tabarnes19_SDS
                              Game Designer
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 3084

                              #209
                              Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                              Neo sounds like you are still using 30 team control. True single team control only has 1 team assigned a profile the rest of teams are left blank.

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                              • Neolithic
                                Pro
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 699

                                #210
                                Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

                                yes, which is what I'm doing. I'm only assigning control and a profile to the Cubs.
                                I'm not using "dummy" profiles for other teams. I only select the Cubs when I pick a team.
                                You do what you want in your association, don't let others ruin the fun. Just because other people say it's cheap doesn't mean you have to let it affect your association, just have fun - Evan_OS

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