2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Bananafresh17]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I'd much rather have Hamels then Greinke..... i think that pretty set this offseason too, that Hamels is better.

I as well am leaning towards Hamels, but the package you suggested is really unrealistic. I was thinking a package consisting of Manny Banuelos or Dellin Batences (preferably), David Adams, David Phelps and a guy like Ramiro Pena, and or Cito Culver

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I as well am leaning towards Hamels, but the package you suggested is really unrealistic. I was thinking a package consisting of Manny Banuelos or Dellin Batences (preferably), David Adams, David Phelps and a guy like Ramiro Pena, and or Cito Culver

Yes. This.

Remove Banuelos (keeping Betances) and that looks fair.

Otherwise, I disagree with you two on Hamels being better than Greinke. To me it's not even close.

[Bananafresh17]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Yes. This.

Remove Banuelos (keeping Betances) and that looks fair.

Otherwise, I disagree with you two on Hamels being better than Greinke. To me it's not even close.

Should I Cito and Ramiro in the deal or just 1, and I do believe Greinke is better but the price tag would be a lot higher, and I think Hamels has a good post-season track record.

[CKW11]

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Unless Bourne is renewable or arbitration eligible, I just can't see TB essentially swapping out Bourne for Upton unless TB wanted and KNEW they could retain Bourne for 2013.

Without knowing the nature of Bourne's contract and service time, my gut tells me this is unrealistic. Especially if Bourne isn't hot right now, which he isn't.

The Rays would want prospects for BJ anyways, they're not gonna take on Bourne's contract being they're a small market team.

I did a 3 team trade to get Upton in my franchise, sent Uggla to Detroit for their Catching prospect McCann, and I wanna say a C potential 1stbaseman and sent those two + Joey Terd to the Rays for BJ & Tim Beckham.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Should I Cito and Ramiro in the deal or just 1, and I do believe Greinke is better but the price tag would be a lot higher, and I think Hamels has a good post-season track record.

What's Culver's potential and age?

Sorry, I use SCEA rosters (mostly), and only know of him by name.

Don't get me wrong, Hamels is a stud. But I agree with you. He'd rightfully cost less than Greinke which I think is a good option for you.

Get Greinke next year. Hamels will do well for you now if PHI wants/needs to move him. Is PHI out of it?

[bugle987]

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Boston would never trade Middlebrooks.....not a chance

How about Mike Aviles - Boston will have Iglesias at SS next year and Aviles can play 3B, SS and 2B.....he's hitting .300 for me in my franchise through 33 games

They would defitnitley trade Middlebrooks they offered him up this winter in some Trades....

[bugle987]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Yes. This.

Remove Banuelos (keeping Betances) and that looks fair.

Otherwise, I disagree with you two on Hamels being better than Greinke. To me it's not even close.

Why give the reason you think Greinke is better cause your one of the few

[bugle987]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

And that's wy too cheap for Hamels or Greinke those two would cost 2 A's and a B and that's not what your giving up. The Yankees would have to give up something like Betances/Banuelos and Bichette and Sanchez

[bugle987]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

And I just looked up Cito culver and he could fit in instead of Bichette. My bad I had actually never heard of the guy

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Why give the reason you think Greinke is better cause your one of the few

First, I will say that Hamels had a better 2011.

And remember, Greinke had a horrible 2010, which probably skews his career stuff in the opposite direction of where I believe his overall ability to be.

That said, Greinke has a higher K/9 and allows less HR's. I always prefer the pitcher with more deception when overall ability is similar. Especially when the other pitcher gives up over 20 long balls a season. Even this year Greinke's only given up 1. Hamels has give up 3.

Hamels has/had the benefit the NL over his career. And though it's arguable that the weakness of the AL central could counter that before Greinke went to MIL (as well as how Citizens Bank USED to be a launching pad), I still think the competition Greinke has had to endure in order to put up the numbers he has makes a more inpressive case.

I realize looking at WHIP that it's clearly in Hamel's favor. A lot of their other numbers over the last three years are VERY similar too (except for the two I mentioned above which I think is reflective of a Greinke having a better "stuff" thing).

In real life, I remember how the sports writers were all over Greinke when it was rumored that the Yankees were interested in him. They all implied that due to his mental issues, he emotionally couldn't handle the pressure of NYC. And I'm not too sure about this subject myself (I mean, we ALL know Hamels could handle NYC without question). Could he handle it there? I'm not sure...

I just feel like when the numbers are close, Greinke has more God-given talent. I probably shouldn't have said "it's not even close" above. It is numbers-wise. But stuff-wise, I still don't think it is.

But let's be fair, you can't lose either way here!

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

And that's wy too cheap for Hamels or Greinke those two would cost 2 A's and a B and that's not what your giving up. The Yankees would have to give up something like Betances/Banuelos and Bichette and Sanchez

That's the thing...

A fair deal WOULD include Banuelos AND Sanchez. I just think it's not worth it in the long run for NYY unless, in real life, an extension could be signed immediately after the trade.

But, since you can't do that in the Show, I'd be very hesitant to pull the trigger here. Unless Betances (who has control issues) could be replaced for Banuelos.

If I offered Betances instead (which I'd prefer), I'd have to give up EVEN MORE.

Tough call...

[bugle987]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

That's the thing...

A fair deal WOULD include Banuelos AND Sanchez. I just think it's not worth it in the long run for NYY unless, in real life, an extension could be signed immediately after the trade.

But, since you can't do that in the Show, I'd be very hesitant to pull the trigger here. Unless Betances (who has control issues) could be replaced for Banuelos.

If I offered Betances instead (which I'd prefer), I'd have to give up EVEN MORE.

Tough call...

Well Banuelos has his control problems too, both have struggled a little bit recently and now there's rumors going around that Banuelos is closer to 24 25 which I don't know is true or not. All I'm saying is its gonna take him to get Hamels

[bugle987]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

First, I will say that Hamels had a better 2011.

And remember, Greinke had a horrible 2010, which probably skews his career stuff in the opposite direction of where I believe his overall ability to be.

That said, Greinke has a higher K/9 and allows less HR's. I always prefer the pitcher with more deception when overall ability is similar. Especially when the other pitcher gives up over 20 long balls a season. Even this year Greinke's only given up 1. Hamels has give up 3.

Hamels has/had the benefit the NL over his career. And though it's arguable that the weakness of the AL central could counter that before Greinke went to MIL (as well as how Citizens Bank USED to be a launching pad), I still think the competition Greinke has had to endure in order to put up the numbers he has makes a more inpressive case.

I realize looking at WHIP that it's clearly in Hamel's favor. A lot of their other numbers over the last three years are VERY similar too (except for the two I mentioned above which I think is reflective of a Greinke having a better "stuff" thing).

In real life, I remember how the sports writers were all over Greinke when it was rumored that the Yankees were interested in him. They all implied that due to his mental issues, he emotionally couldn't handle the pressure of NYC. And I'm not too sure about this subject myself (I mean, we ALL know Hamels could handle NYC without question). Could he handle it there? I'm not sure...

I just feel like when the numbers are close, Greinke has more God-given talent. I probably shouldn't have said "it's not even close" above. It is numbers-wise. But stuff-wise, I still don't think it is.

But let's be fair, you can't lose either way here!

Ya I'm just saying Hamels will get more in free agency this summer because he's a guaranteed thing while Greinke can be shaky at times. Hamels is a guy who's makeup can allow him to be effective alot Longer than most MLB pitchers. And Hanels stuff is pretty close of not Equal to Greinke

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Ya I'm just saying Hamels will get more in free agency this summer because he's a guaranteed thing while Greinke can be shaky at times. Hamels is a guy who's makeup can allow him to be effective alot Longer than most MLB pitchers. And Hanels stuff is pretty close of not Equal to Greinke

I agree that Hamels has the composure. No doubt. Don't get me wrong, as a Yankees fan, I throw a little parade in my house of they landed him.

I just prefer Greinke's stuff. Whether he can keep it together in NYC is a different story though.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Well Banuelos has his control problems too, both have struggled a little bit recently and now there's rumors going around that Banuelos is closer to 24 25 which I don't know is true or not. All I'm saying is its gonna take him to get Hamels

I heard something similar and that he has/had an injury now too?

If the bold is true, that's a real dissappointment...

That's IT!!! The parade is off...