2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Regardless, I doubt that Tulo would get traded this season unless the Rockies were overwhelmed. However that doesn't take into account what happened in AC or whoever's franchise and what year it is: how the Rockies have played, how Tulo has played, what's happening with their payroll, did they draft a stud SS to replace him, etc, etc.

In all honesty, I think its CarGo that would get dealt. His home/road splits are awful, like he benefits from that park SO much.

Oh please, you want him traded cause *you* traded for him.

They have Trevor Story behind him, have been meh-below average, not a great farm system... it's like the Roy Halladay situation, only Tulo's locked into a terrible contract.

[G3no_11]

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As I recall it, the only one who was in a contract year was Sabathia.

AC would know about Halladay and I know Granderson wasn't in a contract year.

It would help if we knew their contract situations.

As far as the Rockies go. From what I've noticed over the past 10 years, every player at any time is expendable for prospects. The only exception to this, is when they lock a player up. Todd Helton, CarGo, Tulo.. they locked those players up for a long period of time.
That doesn't happen often for the Rockies and that should be considered a factor. They tried to do it with Matt Holliday. He wanted an insane contract so he became expendable. CarGo and Tulo have both expressed they want to stay in Colorado, unlike Holliday... so I really don't understand why anyone would think they would trade those players when they are locked up.
Teams are different. Most teams only care about winning. The Rockies care about putting a decent team out there and having players they can sell to the fans. CarGo and Tulo are those players.

[TheNumber35]

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Oh please, you want him traded cause *you* traded for him.

They have Trevor Story behind him, have been meh-below average, not a great farm system... it's like the Roy Halladay situation, only Tulo's locked into a terrible contract.

Lol not really, I really don't care what people think of that trade...since I got 3 people to sign off on it, all of whom are respected minds around here. Plus I gave up a couple of high impact arms and a solid bat to go get him.

Seriously though, my gut tells me that Boston may be in play. They just dumped a ton of payroll and probably want some star power. CarGo+ Pesky Pole/Green Monster= a monster year

[G3no_11]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Oh please, you want him traded cause *you* traded for him.

They have Trevor Story behind him, have been meh-below average, not a great farm system... it's like the Roy Halladay situation, only Tulo's locked into a terrible contract.

From what I've read and heard. The Rockies don't have Trevor Story as a replacement for Tulo. I believe they intend to use him at 3rd or 2nd base..

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Literally every FanGraphs I've read mentions that he'll only shift to 2nd because of Tulo, and that's he more than capable of playing SS.

You say that you know more about the Rockies than anyone else, but the fact that you mention anyone besides Nolan Arenado being your 3B of the future scares me.

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

CarGo+ Pesky Pole/Green Monster= a monster year+ me= the happiest man in the world

What's his value anyway?

[G3no_11]

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Literally every FanGraphs I've read mentions that he'll only shift to 2nd because of Tulo, and that's he more than capable of playing SS.

You say that you know more about the Rockies than anyone else, but the fact that you mention anyone besides Nolan Arenado being your 3B of the future scares me.

Well obviously he is the hopeful future at 3rd base. I was just saying that they intend to move story to 2nd or 3rd if they call him up. Most likely 2nd with Arenado being close to MLB ready.

[TheNumber35]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

What's his value anyway?

I think we had it at 2 highest B's and mid B when I made the trade...granted CarGo was having a decent year, Colorado had a payroll decrease and couldn't afford him, he had a horrid 2012, etc.

Is that value right AC? I can't remember...that was so long ago

[G3no_11]

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As far as the Rockies go. From what I've noticed over the past 10 years, every player at any time is expendable for prospects. The only exception to this, is when they lock a player up. Todd Helton, CarGo, Tulo.. they locked those players up for a long period of time.
That doesn't happen often for the Rockies and that should be considered a factor. They tried to do it with Matt Holliday. He wanted an insane contract so he became expendable. CarGo and Tulo have both expressed they want to stay in Colorado, unlike Holliday... so I really don't understand why anyone would think they would trade those players when they are locked up.
Teams are different. Most teams only care about winning. The Rockies care about putting a decent team out there and having players they can sell to the fans. CarGo and Tulo are those players.

This is my main point. There are many more factors than what has been expressed in a lot of trades in this thread. Not a big deal... but if you're going for realism, it should be a factor.

[CameRoN0407]

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I think we had it at 2 highest B's and mid B when I made the trade...granted CarGo was having a decent year, Colorado had a payroll decrease and couldn't afford him, he had a horrid 2012, etc.

Is that value right AC? I can't remember...that was so long ago

So the total package for both would be 4 B's (2 high, 2 mid) and an A? How 'bout 2 A's and a high B? (I'm like out of B's) and a huge loss of my budget

[TheNumber35]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

So the total package for both would be 4 B's (2 high, 2 mid) and an A? How 'bout 2 A's and a high B? (I'm like out of B's) and a huge loss of my budget

Oh sorry, I meant 2 highest and a mid. 3 players not 4.

And it depends on how CarGo is playing, how the Rockies are doing. If they're contending or he's playing out of his mind, no chance in hell he goes.

[AC]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

This is my main point. There are many more factors than what has been expressed in a lot of trades in this thread. Not a big deal... but if you're going for realism, it should be a factor.

Probably because this is a video game, and video games don't factor in chemistry/off the field stuff that's apparently so important..

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Oh sorry, I meant 2 highest and a mid. 3 players not 4.

And it depends on how CarGo is playing, how the Rockies are doing. If they're contending or he's playing out of his mind, no chance in hell he goes.

Well I'm in off season and the Rockies went 62-100 and Cargo hit .253/18/77
Tulo hit .324/17/47 (only 173 AB for Tulo)

[G3no_11]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Probably because this is a video game, and video games don't factor in chemistry/off the field stuff that's apparently so important..

Well what are you going for? Realism should factor in everything. If you don't factor in everything a real franchsie would, then your going for fair, not real.

[CameRoN0407]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Well what are you going for? Realism should factor in everything. If you don't factor in everything a real franchsie would, then your going for fair, not real.

not all real trades are fair (Hanley trade)