2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[AC]

Ermagahd, no MSUboy stuff, and leave me out of it. Oh, don't get this thread locked, that too haha.

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[rjackson]

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I'm not looking to make this argument worse and am giving my opinion to stay on topic--not argue with Bugle . I'm not gonna do it!

I will say in my opinion as a follower of the pale hose and probably the only person alive to like The Hawk, nobody is off limits to Ken Williams trading on that roster for the right deal. Although Texas might not realistically do it in real life, Survo is the GM now in his universe. Plus, the White Sox rarely do well the first year on this game and frequently enter rebuilding/retooling instead of contending.

Survo, if you want to work out a trade for Sale, we can do so in the arbitration thread. If you want to keep it as realistic as possible, though, I'd need to know what rosters you are using, ChiSox record, and date. Nothing would probably happen until at least after the draft in June. The earlier you do it, the more it will cost. Your offer better start with at least Perez and Big Mikey included. Feliz is not of interest to us.

[rjackson]

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2. This thread isn't the place for fantasyland trades, I can't stress that enough. The guys in here are baseball fans through and through, and thus they want to keep it realistic. If you want to make a fantasy team or trade garbage players for superstars, do it somewhere else.

While I agree with this statement 100%, I do have to challenge the status quo just a little bit -- some of us who attempt to provide assistance in this thread do not understand that each and every franchise out there on these PS3's is actually a fantasyland of sort. We have to make educated guesses on what GM's would do if things went differently--what if the White Sox sucked this year and the Marlins and Red Sox played as they expected to--what would the trade landscape have looked like then? This is probably happening in someone's fantasyland but not in reality.

I just want to encourage those who continue to provide assistance in this thread to keep this in mind. I am being this open-minded when I say that Sale could conceivably be traded in mid to late July and the White Sox are completely out of it--for the right price. I know because if my team in my fantasyland keeps doing this poorly, I will consider trading Sale if I can get 3 A's out of it and they are at positions I will need them in the next few years.

[AC]

Sale's 22, why would a rebuilding team trade him?

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[TheNumber35]

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Sale's 22, why would a rebuilding team trade him?

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Exactly what I meant. Why would a team who's maybe a year or two away deal a 22 year old ace, for prospects who are 3 or 4 years away? It makes them further away. Plus, Sale has 3 more Arbitration years left...so he's talented and controllable. The two things any GM wouldn't send away.

[rjackson]

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Exactly what I meant. Why would a team who's maybe a year or two away deal a 22 year old ace, for prospects who are 3 or 4 years away? It makes them further away. Plus, Sale has 3 more Arbitration years left...so he's talented and controllable. The two things any GM wouldn't send away.

Hey, I'm not saying that they would be ACTIVELY shopping him but if someone offered enough of a package AND this year showed that their core was not good enough to contend, I think that Ken Williams would be willing to listen. Yes, Sale is a 22 year old ace but with him being even mentioned as a Cy Yound contender, his arbitration is going to make him well paid really fast. If they decided to rebuild, that one piece could shore up their minor league system. If they decide to retool, AND that one piece could get them Olt to play 1st for Paulie's retirement, Profar for Youk's leaving, Perez for the rotation spot, Kenny might not be able to say no. He'd be getting double the WAR in the long term and shoring up help where it is needed most.

Exhibit A: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...de-return.html

Exhibit B:
Platform Years For First-Time Eligible Starters

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 7, 2012 at 3:38pm CST]
Clayton Kershaw's salary jumped from $500K to $7.5MM this year, and it wasn't just because of his Cy Young performance. Kershaw qualified for arbitration for the first time in his career over the winter, so he obtained the right to establish his salary by comparing his production to that of his peers.

[AC]

Exactly what I meant. Why would a team who's maybe a year or two away deal a 22 year old ace, for prospects who are 3 or 4 years away? It makes them further away. Plus, Sale has 3 more Arbitration years left...so he's talented and controllable. The two things any GM wouldn't send away.

3 more years of contract renewability, THEN arbitration.

Hey, I'm not saying that they would be ACTIVELY shopping him but if someone offered enough of a package AND this year showed that their core was not good enough to contend, I think that Ken Williams would be willing to listen. Yes, Sale is a 22 year old ace but with him being even mentioned as a Cy Yound contender, his arbitration is going to make him well paid really fast. If they decided to rebuild, that one piece could shore up their minor league system. If they decide to retool, AND that one piece could get them Olt to play 1st for Paulie's retirement, Profar for Youk's leaving, Perez for the rotation spot, Kenny might not be able to say no. He'd be getting double the WAR in the long term and shoring up help where it is needed most.

Exhibit A: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...de-return.html

Exhibit B:
Platform Years For First-Time Eligible Starters

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 7, 2012 at 3:38pm CST]
Clayton Kershaw's salary jumped from $500K to $7.5MM this year, and it wasn't just because of his Cy Young performance. Kershaw qualified for arbitration for the first time in his career over the winter, so he obtained the right to establish his salary by comparing his production to that of his peers.

Pro far wouldn't be traded for Sale. By the way, I don't think he's arb eligible for a few years.

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[rjackson]

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3 more years of contract renewability, THEN arbitration.







Pro far wouldn't be traded for Sale. By the way, I don't think he's arb eligible for a few years.

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Sale has one more year of renewability IRL, then arbitration--not sure in game.

My point though, AC, is that while Profar wouldn't be traded IRL--whatever his name was is the Texas GM now in his own little digital universe and he may very well trade him--so really the question is that IF Profar and whoever was included, would the ChiSox trade Sale for that package IRL depending on other variables like standings in that universe being applied to IRL...that's all I meant by keeping an open mind.

I'm sure that you've made deals that AA wouldn't have but that's okay because on your PS3, AA is not the GM of the Jays. Plus, there are the differences in how players and the teams are performing on your PS3 and real life making it even more challenging to decide who would do what.

[AC]

Sale has one more year of renewability IRL, then arbitration--not sure in game.

My point though, AC, is that while Profar wouldn't be traded IRL--whatever his name was is the Texas GM now in his own little digital universe and he may very well trade him--so really the question is that IF Profar and whoever was included, would the ChiSox trade Sale for that package IRL depending on other variables like standings in that universe being applied to IRL...that's all I meant by keeping an open mind.

I'm sure that you've made deals that AA wouldn't have but that's okay because on your PS3, AA is not the GM of the Jays. Plus, there are the differences in how players and the teams are performing on your PS3 and real life making it even more challenging to decide who would do what.

I've stayed completely realistic to the team thus far. And the vibe I'm getting is 'screw realism,' am I correct?

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[rjackson]

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I've stayed completely realistic to the team thus far. And the vibe I'm getting is 'screw realism,' am I correct?

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Yes, you have been true to your team and realism as far as I know.

No, I'm not saying screw reality. I'm saying to be realistic as possible -- with the caveat of realizing the season played out differently. Such as, Peavy became available in your 'chise but not IRL so we tend to just say naw, that trade would never happen. Plus, you are your team's GM. Maybe AA wouldn't have traded for Peavy in the same set of circumstances and would have preferred someone else? Maybe he wouldn't have included the players you did? Who knows other than him? Simple enough?

I am the GM for the White Sox, not Ken Williams. What I am seeing is an expectation of contention and not doing it in my 'chise ala Miami IRL. Isn't it up to me if I want to do a retooling or maybe even a reboot?

[AC]

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No, I'm saying to be realistic as possible -- with the caveat of realizing the season played out differently (which we have for the most part--like Peavy being available in your 'chise but not IRL) and that you are your team's GM. Maybe AA wouldn't have traded for Peavy in the same set of circumstances and would have preferred someone else? Who knows other than him? Simple enough?

Yes, obviously that's true, but for someone like Sale, it most certainly isn't. There's absolutely no circumstance in which they'd be stupid enough to do that. When you're rebuilding, you don't trade a key part of your future who's an ace at 22. When you're contending, you just don't trade an ace.

[TheNumber35]

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Yes, obviously that's true, but for someone like Sale, it most certainly isn't. There's absolutely no circumstance in which they'd be stupid enough to do that. When you're rebuilding, you don't trade a key part of your future who's an ace at 22. When you're contending, you just don't trade an ace.

The Show's trade logic disagrees...because amidst all the craziness here, in my franchise he just cleared waivers and I saw a trade proposal that made me turn off CPU trading for the season.

Chicago Offers:
LHP Chris Sale

for

Atlanta Giving:
Vlad Guerrero

[yanksrule3]

The Show's trade logic disagrees...because amidst all the craziness here, in my franchise he just cleared waivers and I saw a trade proposal that made me turn off CPU trading for the season.

Chicago Offers:
LHP Chris Sale

for

Atlanta Giving:
Vlad Guerrero

Why would Atlanta even need pitching anyway. LOL

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[TheNumber35]

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Why would Atlanta even need pitching anyway. LOL

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That's not even why this is so horrid. The fact that they're offering Vlad...in 2013 mind you, for a 23 year old Sale off a Cy Young campaign in 2012 and he's having a solid year this season as well, makes me sick inside.

[rjackson]

Re: 2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Yes, obviously that's true, but for someone like Sale, it most certainly isn't. There's absolutely no circumstance in which they'd be stupid enough to do that. When you're rebuilding, you don't trade a key part of your future who's an ace at 22. When you're contending, you just don't trade an ace.

No, but if you aren't contending and have no farm system to speak of and you can replenish/retool in one fell swoop...my ChiSox are not contending. Rios, Viciedo, Morel, Danks, Floyd, they aren't doing it for me. AJ and Pauly are getting close to retirement. Trading one player could solve a lot of my problems. Is that really stupid to do it? Was SD stupid to trade Latos? He looked like an ace to them, young, renewable...I'm just saying if Kenny would not have done it but it makes sense to me and it is realistic given this changed set of circumstances AND I am the GM--not him, why can't I?