Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[jseward92]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Did you see my simulations? Baez became a 90 by age 26, and he was still improving. Had I simmed another year (and I still could if you wanted me to), he'd likely become a 92-94 by age 27. That's a VERY good progression. You are wanting to start him off 9 pts HIGHER than that? He will become a 90 overall by age 23 or 24 then. How many players become perennial all-stars at 23 or 24? Very few. Remember that the minor leagues are still a crap shoot. You can't just assume every top prospect will even make the big leagues, let alone become all-stars at 23 or 24.

Starlin Castro? I would say Baez has more potential than him and Castro is in his fourth year and is 2 time all star granted the Cubs didn't have to much else to offer for the all star team. Baez was tearing it up in Spring Training. Yeah its ST but still for a guy his age to perform that way is quite impressive. Some people think he will be ready opening day next year. I don't necessarily agree with that but I think he will get called up and take over a starting job sometime next year. Have him start at a 73 and by the time he is 25 he will be sitting in the 90's. Set him to a 63 and he would be sitting at low to mid 80's which is that likely? Probably not. You say you cant assume a guy will make it to the bigs but the guy with the most questions in Soler is rated higher?

[Denzel Washington]

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Them having a terrible system does not mean any newly acquired prospects become any less relevant. I've already said the system sucks, you don't need to try and throw it back to me like an insult. The last couple drafts have been very good and it makes no difference what was in the system prior to those guys coming in.

Almora is rated in the top 50 players and top 10 outfielders

I think Hawkins is like 74
Clearly theres a huge gap and you seem to have a hard time accepting that

Anway back on topic Anyone keeping track of Soler? Dude is just crushing everything

[hjgilber]

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Hey, I think Soler needs to be edited. The Cubs said he grew. He is listed at 6'4" 215 now. Previously listed at 6'3" 205 I think.

Jorge Soler

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Almora is rated in the top 50 players and top 10 outfielders

I think Hawkins is like 74
Clearly theres a huge gap and you seem to have a hard time accepting that

Anway back on topic Anyone keeping track of Soler? Dude is just crushing everything

Almora is a 33. Hawkins is a 55.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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The talent gap between Almora and Hawkins is pretty evident. Like you said 7 picks higher (in terms of draft ROI that's a huge difference), Almora is also 6 months younger and already rated 22 spots higher. They aren't in the same tier, Almora is blatantly the superior prospect, especially since one of the places you linked (BP) I believe has Almora as the Cubs #1 prospect.

Almora is clearly better than Hawkins (who should easily be a B/B+, not an A lol) and the ratings should reflect that. I don't think it should be a 20 point difference, but it shouldn't be only 2 points like you suggest. I would lower Almora to around 69-70, and have Hawkins around a 60-61.

Clearly we aren't going to agree here. I think Almora looks like a solid prospect who has a decent chance at making an all-star team. You think Almora is an amazing prospect who has a decent chance at winning an MVP. He isn't a top 10 prospect in baseball yet, so I don't know why he'd be rated as such. Yet Byron Buxton, the #10 prospect in baseball, the 2nd overall pick, is only rated a 73. Apparently he should be more like an 80, using your Cubbie scale of progress.

[hjgilber]

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Clearly we aren't going to agree here. I think Almora looks like a solid prospect who has a decent chance at making an all-star team. You think Almora is an amazing prospect who has a decent chance at winning an MVP. He isn't a top 10 prospect in baseball yet, so I don't know why he'd be rated as such. Yet Byron Buxton, the #10 prospect in baseball, the 2nd overall pick, is only rated a 73. Apparently he should be more like an 80, using your Cubbie scale of progress.

Lol, so much ignorance in this post. I literally said that Almora should be lowered to in the 60s, and have a B+ potential. I never once said anything about him being an MVP. I said he was much better than Hawkins, which he is. You are losing credibility by making things up. Re-read what I said and come back when you aren't raging with BS.

[hjgilber]

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Clearly we aren't going to agree here. I think Almora looks like a solid prospect who has a decent chance at making an all-star team. You think Almora is an amazing prospect who has a decent chance at winning an MVP. He isn't a top 10 prospect in baseball yet, so I don't know why he'd be rated as such. Yet Byron Buxton, the #10 prospect in baseball, the 2nd overall pick, is only rated a 73. Apparently he should be more like an 80, using your Cubbie scale of progress.

"I would lower Almora to around 69-70, and have Hawkins around a 60-61."

Was that too complicated for you to understand? It was even in the post you quoted.

[jseward92]

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Anway back on topic Anyone keeping track of Soler? Dude is just crushing everything

Yes yes he is. It is early but got 2 homers and is batting north of .400. Definitely a good start for him so far.

[hjgilber]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Clearly we aren't going to agree here. I think Almora looks like a solid prospect who has a decent chance at making an all-star team. You think Almora is an amazing prospect who has a decent chance at winning an MVP. He isn't a top 10 prospect in baseball yet, so I don't know why he'd be rated as such. Yet Byron Buxton, the #10 prospect in baseball, the 2nd overall pick, is only rated a 73. Apparently he should be more like an 80, using your Cubbie scale of progress.

Oh and I made a clear and correct argument as to why there should be a significant ratings gap between Almora and Hawkins in response to you not understanding why they aren't rated equally. You then responded with this beautiful post of mindless babel.

[jseward92]

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Not sure if anyone else has uploaded these two guys but I uploaded Chang-Yong Lim and Gerardo Concepcion. Gave Concepcion a B- potential. Copied Gerardo over from last year. Lim is rated as an 81 and if you leave him out all year he should drop 5-10 points so he would sit in the low 70s. PSN: sterling2010

[hjgilber]

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Almora is a 33. Hawkins is a 55.

For a second, just so we are all clear on the rankings:

BA:
Baez #16
Almora #33
Soler #34
Hawkins #55
Vizcaino #83

BP:
Almora #18
Baez #20
Soler #36
Vizcaino #54
Hawkins (not in the top 100)

Law:
Baez #31
Almora #33
Soler #42
Vizcaino #64
Hawkins #74

Sickels:
Baez #18
Soler #25
Almora #44
Hawkins #76
Vogelbach #98
Vizcaino #112
Sanchez #113


So, you cherry picked one that made it look less than it really is. They are far apart, quit freaking out because you are wrong.

ETA: for good measure, I added Soler and Baez to show that Hawkins is nowhere near the Cubs top 3, and by some rankings would be as low as the 5th best prospect on the Cubs while he is easily the Sox #1.

ETA2: Showed all Cubs and Sox prospects on each list.

So are facts good enough for you, or do you still want to claim it's just me drinking Cubs kool-aid?

[JoeCoolMan24]

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For a second, just so we are all clear on the rankings:

BA:
Baez #16
Almora #33
Soler #34
Hawkins #55
Vizcaino #83

BP:
Almora #18
Baez #20
Soler #36
Vizcaino #54
Hawkins (not in the top 100)

Law:
Baez #31
Almora #33
Soler #42
Vizcaino #64
Hawkins #74

Sickels:
Baez #18
Soler #25
Almora #44
Hawkins #76
Vogelbach #98
Vizcaino #112
Sanchez #113


So, you cherry picked one that made it look less than it really is. They are far apart, quit freaking out because you are wrong.

ETA: for good measure, I added Soler and Baez to show that Hawkins is nowhere near the Cubs top 3, and by some rankings would be as low as the 5th best prospect on the Cubs while he is easily the Sox #1.

ETA2: Showed all Cubs and Sox prospects on each list.

So are facts good enough for you, or do you still want to claim it's just me drinking Cubs kool-aid?

I didn't cherry pick ****, I used Baseball America's rankings, like everyone else does. I've been using BA for every individual ranking, pay attention.

[hjgilber]

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I didn't cherry pick ****, I used Baseball America's rankings, like everyone else does. I've been using BA for every individual ranking, pay attention.

Care to respond to anything else or are you just going to keep using profanity and ignore the facts that prove you are wrong?

[JoeCoolMan24]

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"I would lower Almora to around 69-70, and have Hawkins around a 60-61."

Was that too complicated for you to understand? It was even in the post you quoted.

Yes or no, Byron Buxton should be about an 80 overall.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Care to respond to anything else or are you just going to keep using profanity and ignore the facts that prove you are wrong?

Let me know when there is something else to respond to.