Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[MrOldboy]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

MrOldBoy - Did you ever get a chance to re-do BJax and Vitters with lowered potential?

I have them remade but no ratings yet, authentic made faces last year so I can redo those.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

You're the one who knows nothing
The cubs are being ranked as high as 5 and as low as 8
Your opinion is not the end all be all judgement
If you don't like it edit it the way you see fit and stop acting like a pompous prick

Yeah dude, the Cubs are totally a top 5 system....

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20025

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2013-organizational-talent-rankings-list/

Oh wait.

Signed,
The dude who knows nothing

[yanksdaniel99]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

That's about exactly what I had in mind. I had Baez at 75 in my original file, but ridin dropped him which i believe will be fixed in the next updates. In my sims Almora did end up increasing to an A- so he should get dropped a bit as well.

Yea, don't worry, I've run plenty of sims, your perfectly fine. Lot of other teams need to bump their specs up to that range. I don't know how many times I've said it but if you want your top prospects to fully progress, they can't be less then 60.

[MrOldboy]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Yea, don't worry, I've run plenty of sims, your perfectly fine. Lot of other teams need to bump their specs up to that range. I don't know how many times I've said it but if you want your top prospects to fully progress, they can't be less then 60.

I think so as well, I originally had soler and baez around the upper 60s, but then remembered your post about having A players in the mid 70s range to get full progression.

This is the sim I posted a while back. Training was auto. I dropped a few guys down for the final roster, so soler and baez are at 76 in this sim. But I don't think its unreasonable for them to reach their potential by ages 25-26. With Almora geeting increased to an A- in sims dropping him a bit more should make his progression a year behind soler and baez's. In this sim he was raised to an A- and his progression looks about the same as theirs, one more sim year and he'd be in the 90s.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...OdTIzWUE#gid=0

Do you think any of the pitchers should be raised or lowered at all? Mainly Johnson and Maples. Is that reasonable for them to be at their potential by ages 26 and 25, one year past what I simmed here?

I just got back, but I'll post up a list later of who I've started on for additional players. Jackson and Vitters are definitely there, but if anyone has preference of who they want made post them. I don't want to do too many since I'd like for them to be complete with faces so we'll need to get help for the faces when the time comes.

I'll also make adjustments on the ratings, mainly Soler, Baez and Almora that Yanks posted and post that to the vault so you can import them into your OSFM roster for franchise or whatever to hold you over until the next OSFM updates. I might also enter in seanjeezys pitch edits, unless there is an OSFM base with this already since I'll want this for myself for franchise anyways.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Yea, don't worry, I've run plenty of sims, your perfectly fine. Lot of other teams need to bump their specs up to that range. I don't know how many times I've said it but if you want your top prospects to fully progress, they can't be less then 60.

Well if that's the case, then I think my beef should be more directed towards the guy who made the White Sox prospects, because our top guys are in the 52-58 range right now.

[yanksdaniel99]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Well if that's the case, then I think my beef should be more directed towards the guy who made the White Sox prospects, because our top guys are in the 52-58 range right now.

You shouldn't have beef with anyone, different guys have different opinions on when players will hit their prime.

Personally I use 25/26 as the "prime age". No rhyme or reason, no scientific data to back up whether or not that's true to real life. My thinking is basically, at 25/26, you know who a player is and what he's capable of doing. Maybe his best statistical season won't be that year, but he'll be at that plateau you've set him for with ratings.

Basically if a guy has a potential set to a 95ish, I don't want him to be an 80 at age 25, I want him to be in the 85-90 range and if that causes his future overall to increase to a 97, so be it.

Players typically gain 3-4 overall points a year, up until age 28-30 or so when they hit their potential.

Take Baez for example, he's 20, so with 8 years of progression left, he'll gain 21-25 points roughly. That puts him on pace for a 95-99, maybe he'll hit that 99 a little early but by age 25, he'll be an 88-90 or so, exactly where I want him.

For the White Sox, I have Hawkins at a 63 & Sanchez at a 67, based on the rerates done so far.

[yanksdaniel99]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I think so as well, I originally had soler and baez around the upper 60s, but then remembered your post about having A players in the mid 70s range to get full progression.

This is the sim I posted a while back. Training was auto. I dropped a few guys down for the final roster, so soler and baez are at 76 in this sim. But I don't think its unreasonable for them to reach their potential by ages 25-26. With Almora geeting increased to an A- in sims dropping him a bit more should make his progression a year behind soler and baez's. In this sim he was raised to an A- and his progression looks about the same as theirs, one more sim year and he'd be in the 90s.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...OdTIzWUE#gid=0

Do you think any of the pitchers should be raised or lowered at all? Mainly Johnson and Maples. Is that reasonable for them to be at their potential by ages 26 and 25, one year past what I simmed here?

I just got back, but I'll post up a list later of who I've started on for additional players. Jackson and Vitters are definitely there, but if anyone has preference of who they want made post them. I don't want to do too many since I'd like for them to be complete with faces so we'll need to get help for the faces when the time comes.

I'll also make adjustments on the ratings, mainly Soler, Baez and Almora that Yanks posted and post that to the vault so you can import them into your OSFM roster for franchise or whatever to hold you over until the next OSFM updates. I might also enter in seanjeezys pitch edits, unless there is an OSFM base with this already since I'll want this for myself for franchise anyways.

Johnson looks good. Maples is a tough call considering there's such a small sample size on him. It's certainly possible. Honestly a scenario where he develops, that's where he should be at. Whether he actually follows that course in real life, that's the million dollar question.

[Denzel Washington]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Yeah dude, the Cubs are totally a top 5 system....

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20025

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2013-organizational-talent-rankings-list/

Oh wait.

Signed,
The dude who knows nothing

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/2/4/3951554/keith-law-ranks-MLB-farm-systems

I'll take keith law's word over whoever Jason Parks is

[hjgilber]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/2/4...B-farm-systems
I'll take keith law's word over whoever Jason Parks is

Both Parks and Law are very good, but the point is that the Cubs are somewhere in the 5-10 range, so the way the farm was rated isn't ridiculous.

[Denzel Washington]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Both Parks and Law are very good, but the point is that the Cubs are somewhere in the 5-10 range, so the way the farm was rated isn't ridiculous.

I've never heard of parks so I wouldn't know
Law has been rough on the cubs farm since forever
Him saying they have a top 5 farm really speaks volumes about how far they've come
I can only see it going up seeing as how we have the 2nd overall pick

[hjgilber]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I've never heard of parks so I wouldn't know
Law has been rough on the cubs farm since forever
Him saying they have a top 5 farm really speaks volumes about how far they've come
I can only see it going up seeing as how we have the 2nd overall pick

This is very true.

Law has a hard on for Javier Baez, so that's probably part of why he ranked us 5th.

[Mo]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Do you think any of the pitchers should be raised or lowered at all? Mainly Johnson and Maples. Is that reasonable for them to be at their potential by ages 26 and 25, one year past what I simmed here?

I just got back, but I'll post up a list later of who I've started on for additional players. Jackson and Vitters are definitely there, but if anyone has preference of who they want made post them. I don't want to do too many since I'd like for them to be complete with faces so we'll need to get help for the faces when the time comes.

I'll also make adjustments on the ratings, mainly Soler, Baez and Almora that Yanks posted and post that to the vault so you can import them into your OSFM roster for franchise or whatever to hold you over until the next OSFM updates. I might also enter in seanjeezys pitch edits, unless there is an OSFM base with this already since I'll want this for myself for franchise anyways.

If you're adding players, gonna throw some names out there, obviously there isn't room for all of them or probably any of them.

I think most of these guys are in A-Ball

Rock Shoulders
Zeke Devoss
Taiwan Easterling
Reggie Golden

Also, Awesome work so far, man.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/2/4...B-farm-systems
I'll take keith law's word over whoever Jason Parks is

You trust Keith Law, the laughing stock of the "prospect guys" over Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus rankings???



Oooh boy.....this is all starting to make sense now.

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

You trust Keith Law, the laughing stock of the "prospect guys" over Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus rankings???



Oooh boy.....this is all starting to make sense now.

What's your deal man? You're nitpicking about the ratings of three of the top 50 prospects in baseball. If you have a problem with it then re-rate them to your liking, or make Keon Barnum a 99 overall. Whatever you need to do to please yourself, just do it already.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

What's your deal man? You're nitpicking about the ratings of three of the top 50 prospects in baseball. If you have a problem with it then re-rate them to your liking, or make Keon Barnum a 99 overall. Whatever you need to do to please yourself, just do it already.

Keon Barnum a 99? You seem to forget I am striving for realism, not boosting my prospects for my favorite team. *cough cough*.

I am just trying to help the community and fans of other teams by giving an outside opinion on players I don't have emotional interest in. Sometimes it's hard to rate players you want to succeed fairly.

Either way, I am going to sim 3-4 years w/ these rosters just to find out how these guys turn out, and then make decision from there on how I want to tinker w/ the ratings. If it turns out these guys are getting to be high 80's-low 90's by the time they reach ages 26-29, then fine I'll know I need to boost some Sox 'spects, but if they are becoming superstar 90+ rated guys by age 23, then there is an obvious problem.

I'll let you know what I find.