Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[JoeCoolMan24]

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FYI, Brett Jackson is a SCEA player. Not that I was involved with creating the Cubs players, but that's a bit harsh, man.

I agree, an A potential for him is very harsh. And for as inflated as Almora is, I think he is a B potential. Those guys should be reversed.

[sink4ever]

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I agree, an A potential for him is very harsh. And for as inflated as Almora is, I think he is a B potential. Those guys should be reversed.

Haha, I meant your comments were a bit harsh. These guys busted their butts on these guys and there's always going to be a differing of opinion on how guys should be rated.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Haha, I meant your comments were a bit harsh. These guys busted their butts on these guys and there's always going to be a differing of opinion on how guys should be rated.

No one is questioning their dedication, but nothing will ever change if no one speaks up when something is thought to be wrong.

[hjgilber]

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A LOT of the Cubs ratings are horribly inflated. I am talking 15-20 pts higher than they should be. Almora already a 74??? Soler a 75??? These guys are 4 years away in real life. Simulate 4 years in this game, I bet they are a 90+ by then.

Brett Jackson still an A potential? Junior Lake a B prospect? Just crazy. If you knew nothing about the minor leagues, you'd assume the Cubs have a top 5 system and most of their prospects are major league ready.

Pretty much everyone has rated the Cubs system between 5 and 10. Law has them at #5. It's not ridiculous for them to be in that range.

I agree Almora and Soler should be lowered a bit, but it really wouldn't be shocking if Soler and Baez were playing at 90+ overall levels in real life in 4 years.

Oh, and none of those guys are 4 years away if you knew anything about the minor leagues. Soler and Baez have a likely at latest ETA of 2015 (2 years away), with Almora coming around 2016 (3 years away).

[hjgilber]

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No one is questioning their dedication, but nothing will ever change if no one speaks up when something is thought to be wrong.

Not sure what you aren't getting. JACKSON was made my SCEA, not OSFM. OFSM v.1 doesn't edit already made players, that is why Jackson has an A potential. Everyone here agrees Jackson should be a mid-B at best, and the end choice was Almora as a very high B with a few who think he could possibly be a low A.

[skaaa13]

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A LOT of the Cubs ratings are horribly inflated. I am talking 15-20 pts higher than they should be. Almora already a 74??? Soler a 75??? These guys are 4 years away in real life. Simulate 4 years in this game, I bet they are a 90+ by then.

Brett Jackson still an A potential? Junior Lake a B prospect? Just crazy. If you knew nothing about the minor leagues, you'd assume the Cubs have a top 5 system and most of their prospects are major league ready.

Interesting thoughts, but you didn't comment on Baez being UNDERRATED, which is what my issue was. And 4 years away for soler and Baez? Comical. Almora maybe.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Pretty much everyone has rated the Cubs system between 5 and 10. Law has them at #5. It's not ridiculous for them to be in that range.

I agree Almora and Soler should be lowered a bit, but it really wouldn't be shocking if Soler and Baez were playing at 90+ overall levels in real life in 4 years.

Oh, and none of those guys are 4 years away if you knew anything about the minor leagues. Soler and Baez have a likely at latest ETA of 2015 (2 years away), with Almora coming around 2016 (3 years away).

Jorge Soler has an ETA of 2015 at the LATEST?!?!? What, are you kidding me??

If Soler makes it by 2015, that would be VERY aggressive and it would mean he is just TEARING through the minor leagues. It's certainly possible, but you don't make your ETA projections based on assuming a guy will dominate, unless they are a Bryce Harper type talent coming in. You assume the conservative route, and for a guy as raw as Soler, it's not likely he only needs 2 full seasons in the minors.

Soler is much more likely to get a call up sometime in 2016, and take a starting job by 2017. This is CLEARLY the problem with why we are seeing him at a 75 rating in these OSFM roster.

Prospects rated in the 70's mean they are very close to major league ready, a year or less away. Soler and Almora don't fit that AT ALL. Soler and Almora are 3-4 years away from getting a starting role.

If I really have to, I will simulate 4 seasons and report back here, and I bet I will find those two guys with ratings in the 90's (maybe not Almora, since he was only given a B potential). And if they end up with ratings in the 90s, then that would be saying these guys would be coming in to the majors their rookie seasons as All-Star quality players. That's quite unrealistic.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Interesting thoughts, but you didn't comment on Baez being UNDERRATED, which is what my issue was. And 4 years away for soler and Baez? Comical. Almora maybe.

....I never said Baez was 4 years away...not even once.

[jseward92]

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....I never said Baez was 4 years away...not even once.

You have to understand that not everyone can be pleased by what comes out of the roster. You obviously aren't happy with the ratings while there are most likely more who are happy with it. You are free to edit the roster to your liking. You can knock both Almora and Soler down 5-10 overall points if that is what you see fit. It is just a difference in opinion

[hjgilber]

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Jorge Soler has an ETA of 2015 at the LATEST?!?!? What, are you kidding me??

If Soler makes it by 2015, that would be VERY aggressive and it would mean he is just TEARING through the minor leagues. It's certainly possible, but you don't make your ETA projections based on assuming a guy will dominate, unless they are a Bryce Harper type talent coming in. You assume the conservative route, and for a guy as raw as Soler, it's not likely he only needs 2 full seasons in the minors.

Soler is much more likely to get a call up sometime in 2016, and take a starting job by 2017. This is CLEARLY the problem with why we are seeing him at a 75 rating in these OSFM roster.

Prospects rated in the 70's mean they are very close to major league ready, a year or less away. Soler and Almora don't fit that AT ALL. Soler and Almora are 3-4 years away from getting a starting role.

If I really have to, I will simulate 4 seasons and report back here, and I bet I will find those two guys with ratings in the 90's (maybe not Almora, since he was only given a B potential). And if they end up with ratings in the 90s, then that would be saying these guys would be coming in to the majors their rookie seasons as All-Star quality players. That's quite unrealistic.

Hey, I follow the Cubs religiously....Soler has a 2015 ETA. They want to promote him to AA at some point this year, AAA in 2014, big leagues in 2015. You don't really know what you are talking about.

Almora is likely a year behind that schedule.

[Denzel Washington]

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A LOT of the Cubs ratings are horribly inflated. I am talking 15-20 pts higher than they should be. Almora already a 74??? Soler a 75??? These guys are 4 years away in real life. Simulate 4 years in this game, I bet they are a 90+ by then.

Brett Jackson still an A potential? Junior Lake a B prospect? Just crazy. If you knew nothing about the minor leagues, you'd assume the Cubs have a top 5 system and most of their prospects are major league ready.

You're the one who knows nothing
The cubs are being ranked as high as 5 and as low as 8
Your opinion is not the end all be all judgement
If you don't like it edit it the way you see fit and stop acting like a pompous prick

[MrOldboy]

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Look at other teams and see what some of the other top prospects are rated as. I've already said soler, Almora and Baez could use a small drop looking at other teams in osfm, but not that much.

When I get back ill look at other prospects in osfm and see if things should be adjusted, but I went off what the veteran guys posted and knights ratings tables. I could have been too aggressive easily, or not aggressive enough on some guys.

[yanksdaniel99]

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Look at other teams and see what some of the other top prospects are rated as. I've already said soler, Almora and Baez could use a small drop looking at other teams in osfm, but not that much.

When I get back ill look at other prospects in osfm and see if things should be adjusted, but I went off what the veteran guys posted and knights ratings tables. I could have been too aggressive easily, or not aggressive enough on some guys.

IMO Almora is overrated & Baez was underrated. That being said Almora will probably end up as an A- overall with where he is at now, and I know there was some discussion on that you might be inclined to leave him there. Everything else is perfectly fine.

This is what I have the three at.

Baez 73
Soler 74
Almora 68

And with that, they progress fairly well.

[MrOldboy]

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IMO Almora is overrated & Baez was underrated. That being said Almora will probably end up as an A- overall with where he is at now, and I know there was some discussion on that you might be inclined to leave him there. Everything else is perfectly fine.

This is what I have the three at.

Baez 73
Soler 74
Almora 68

And with that, they progress fairly well.

That's about exactly what I had in mind. I had Baez at 75 in my original file, but ridin dropped him which i believe will be fixed in the next updates. In my sims Almora did end up increasing to an A- so he should get dropped a bit as well.

[skow05]

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MrOldBoy - Did you ever get a chance to re-do BJax and Vitters with lowered potential?