Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

For record keeping sake.....

2013
Trace Thompson, age 22, Overall 58, Potential B
Courtney Hawkins, age 19, Overall 52, Potential A
Adalberto Mondesi, age 18, Overall 52, Potential A
Bubba Starling, age 20, Overall 60, Potential A
Addison Russell, age 19, Overall 67, Potential A
Carlos Correa, age 18, Overall 56, Potential A
Javier Baez, age 20, Overall 64, Potential A
Jorge Soler, age 21, Overall 75, Potential A
Albert Almora, age 18, Overall 74, Potential B
David Dahl, age 19, Overall 69, Potential A
Kevin Gausman, age 22, Overall 69, Potential A
Roberto Ozuna, age 18, Overall 48, Potential A
Daniel Norris, age 19, Overall 60, Potential A

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Keon Barnum a 99? You seem to forget I am striving for realism, not boosting my prospects for my favorite team. *cough cough*.

I am just trying to help the community and fans of other teams by giving an outside opinion on players I don't have emotional interest in. Sometimes it's hard to rate players you want to succeed fairly.

Either way, I am going to sim 3-4 years w/ these rosters just to find out how these guys turn out, and then make decision from there on how I want to tinker w/ the ratings. If it turns out these guys are getting to be high 80's-low 90's by the time they reach ages 26-29, then fine I'll know I need to boost some Sox 'spects, but if they are becoming superstar 90+ rated guys by age 23, then there is an obvious problem.

I'll let you know what I find.

Cute.

You're the one with an issue about the rating process, noting how it's unfair that whitesox prospects are in the 52-58 range. So you clearly have an issue with how your favorite teams players are rated. Take it up with the makers of their roster rather than picking a fight with the people involved in the Cubs roster.

If you're trying to "help" the comminity then start a thread stating what you think should be changed etc. or post in the general OSFM thread. I just don't see the point of you arguing with people about it here. Nothing's going to get accomplished that way.

Besides, they've supplied their reasoning for the way players have been rated so I'm not really sure what you're looking for at this point. Cubz suck lolz?

Edit: For the record, I've personally edited Almora down. Even though he has a high floor I thought that rating should coincide with someone a bit closer to contributing at the MLB level.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Cute.

You're the one with an issue about the rating process, noting how it's unfair that whitesox prospects are in the 52-58 range. So you clearly have an issue with how your favorite teams players are rated. Take it up with the makers of their roster rather than picking a fight with the people involved in the Cubs roster.

If you're trying to "help" the comminity then start a thread stating what you think should be changed etc. or post in the general OSFM thread. I just don't see the point of you arguing with people about it here. Nothing's going to get accomplished that way.

Besides, they've supplied their reasoning for the way players have been rated so I'm not really sure what you're looking for at this point. Cubz suck lolz?

Edit: For the record, I've personally edited Almora down. Even though he has a high floor I thought that rating should coincide with someone a bit closer to contributing at the MLB level.

Adorable.

Actually, I have even said here that I don't know if the Cubs players are being entirely overrated, or if the Sox players (the couple good ones) have been incredibly underrated. The guy who made the Sox ratings explained to me that Hawkins is a 52 because he is so young and 4 years away from the majors. I then asked if that was how it should be done, then why would Almora be a 74, when him and Hawkins are similar ages, skill sets, except Hawkins has played at higher levels than Almora. He didn't know, but surmised it could be a combination of him being harsh on Sox players, and whoever made the Cubs rosters being way too high.

Thus, I came here, started a discussion, and found out rather quickly that the perception Cubs fans here have of their team is much higher than reputable critics in the minor league world (BA, BP). The answer seems clear to me now how I should go about editing the rosters, but just to make sure I am doing the right thing, I am going to sim 4-5 seasons for myself and see how these guys progress, and then we will ALL have our answer.

Until then, you can knock off the "CUBS HA.TER!!!" routine. I already stated before the conversation even started that I have nothing against the Cubs, I don't even acknowledge them as being of any relevance to the Sox. The reason I am commenting in this thread and not the 28 other teams is because outside of the Sox prospects, I have the 2nd most knowledge of the Cubs system due to being friends with many Cubs fans, and living in the Chicago area. That's why I am here, not because of any irrational hatred for a non-rival.

[skow05]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

That's fine. Now that you explain things in a rational manner it all seems fair. My perception from the last couple of posts just seemed like you were trying to pick a fight. I agree on knocking Almora down so he arrives in the 70's in 2015 and is ready for a call-up by ASB 2016.

FWIW - I'm right there with you on the Cubs/Sox thing. Both fanbases have bigger things to worry about, irrelevant is a good descriptive word to use.

EDIT: I guess I should've added a "precious" at the forefront of my post.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

For record keeping sake.....

Pre 2013
Trace Thompson, age 22, Overall 58, Potential B
Courtney Hawkins, age 19, Overall 52, Potential A
Adalberto Mondesi, age 18, Overall 52, Potential A
Bubba Starling, age 20, Overall 60, Potential A
Addison Russell, age 19, Overall 67, Potential A
Carlos Correa, age 18, Overall 56, Potential A
Javier Baez, age 20, Overall 64, Potential A
Jorge Soler, age 21, Overall 75, Potential A
Albert Almora, age 18, Overall 74, Potential B
David Dahl, age 19, Overall 69, Potential A
Kevin Gausman, age 22, Overall 69, Potential A
Roberto Ozuna, age 18, Overall 48, Potential A
Daniel Norris, age 19, Overall 60, Potential A

Pre 2014
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 58, New Overall 62, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 52, New Overall 57, +5 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 52, New Overall 56, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 60, New Overall 65, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 67, New Overall 72, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 56, New Overall 60, +4 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 69, +5 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 75, New Overall 80, +5 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 73, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 73, +4 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 48, New Overall 53, +5 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 60, New Overall 64, +4 change

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

2014
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 58, New Overall 62, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 52, New Overall 57, +5 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 52, New Overall 56, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 60, New Overall 65, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 67, New Overall 72, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 56, New Overall 60, +4 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 69, +5 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 75, New Overall 80, +5 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 73, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 73, +4 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 48, New Overall 53, +5 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 60, New Overall 64, +4 change

Pre 2015
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 62, New Overall 66, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 57, New Overall 62, +5 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 56, New Overall 61, +5 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 65, New Overall 69, +4 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 72, New Overall 77, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 60, New Overall 64, +4 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 73, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 80, New Overall 83, +3 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 78, New Overall 82, +4 change (Upgraded to A Potential)
David Dahl, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 76, +3 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 53, New Overall 57, +4 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 68, +4 change

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Pre 2015
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 62, New Overall 66, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 57, New Overall 62, +5 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 56, New Overall 61, +5 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 65, New Overall 69, +4 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 72, New Overall 77, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 60, New Overall 64, +4 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 73, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 80, New Overall 83, +3 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 78, New Overall 82, +4 change (Potential A)
David Dahl, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 76, +3 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 53, New Overall 57, +4 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 68, +4 change

Pre 2016
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 66, New Overall 70, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 62, New Overall 66, +4 change (Downgraded to B Potential)
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 61, New Overall 65, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 74, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 69, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 83, New Overall 87, +4 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 87, +5 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 76, New Overall 80, +4 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 57, New Overall 63, +6 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 68, New Overall 73, +5 change

[yanksdaniel99]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Pre 2016
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 66, New Overall 70, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 62, New Overall 66, +4 change (Downgraded to B Potential)
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 61, New Overall 65, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 74, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 69, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 83, New Overall 87, +4 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 87, +5 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 76, New Overall 80, +4 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 57, New Overall 63, +6 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 68, New Overall 73, +5 change

If at 25, Thompson is only a 70, he's no longer a viable prospect. Obviously Almora is too high, think Soler is good. At this point in time, most of the younger guys are on the cusp of the big leagues, anything lower then a 75 is questionable at this point for them.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Pre 2016
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 66, New Overall 70, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 62, New Overall 66, +4 change (Downgraded to B Potential)
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 61, New Overall 65, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 74, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 64, New Overall 69, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 83, New Overall 87, +4 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 87, +5 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 76, New Overall 80, +4 change
Roberto Ozuna, Previous Overall 57, New Overall 63, +6 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 68, New Overall 73, +5 change

Pre 2017
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 70, New Overall 73, +3 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 66, New Overall 70, +4 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 65, New Overall 70, +5 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 86, +4 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 74, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 87, New Overall 91, +4 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 87, New Overall 90, +3 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 86, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 80, New Overall 84, +4 change
Roberto Osuna, Previous Overall 63, New Overall 67, +3 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change

[MrOldboy]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Have you been keeping track of potential changes in these sims? Did Almora get increased to an A in the sim you are running right now?

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Pre 2017
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 70, New Overall 73, +3 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 66, New Overall 70, +4 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 65, New Overall 70, +5 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 86, +4 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 69, New Overall 74, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 87, New Overall 91, +4 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 87, New Overall 90, +3 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 86, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 80, New Overall 84, +4 change
Roberto Osuna, Previous Overall 63, New Overall 67, +3 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change

Pre 2018
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 70, New Overall 74, +4 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 70, New Overall 74, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 78, New Overall 83, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 86, New Overall 90, +4 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 79, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 86, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 91, New Overall 92, +1 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 90, +0 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 86, New Overall 90, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 84, New Overall 88, +4 change
Roberto Osuna, Previous Overall 67, New Overall 72, +5 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change (Dropped to B Potential)

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Have you been keeping track of potential changes in these sims? Did Almora get increased to an A in the sim you are running right now?

Yes, look at the posts above yours, I noted Almora was upgraded to an A. A few guys have been downgraded to a B.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Pre 2018
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 73, New Overall 77, +4 change
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 70, New Overall 74, +4 change
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 70, New Overall 74, +4 change
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 78, New Overall 83, +5 change
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 86, New Overall 90, +4 change
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 79, +5 change
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 86, +4 change
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 91, New Overall 92, +1 change
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 90, +0 change
David Dahl, Previous Overall 86, New Overall 90, +4 change
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 84, New Overall 88, +4 change
Roberto Osuna, Previous Overall 67, New Overall 72, +5 change
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 82, +5 change (Dropped to B Potential)

I think this will be the last season I'll sim. A lot of these top prospects are starting to reach their peaks, or all-star status, so I'll just stop here. I'll keep the file though in case anyone wants me to go further, or to check on other prospects not listed here.....


Pre 2019
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 80, +3 change (28 years old)
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change (25 years old)
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change (24 years old)
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 83, New Overall 87, +4 change (26 years old)
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 90, +0 change (25 years old)
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 79, New Overall 83, +4 change (24 years old)
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 86, New Overall 90, +4 change (26 years old)
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 92, New Overall 92, +0 change (27 years old)
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 90, +0 change (24 years old)
David Dahl, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 93, +3 change (25 years old)
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 88, New Overall 92, +4 change (28 years old)
Roberto Osuna, Previous Overall 72, New Overall 76, +4 change (24 years old) (Downgraded to B Potential)
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 85, +3 change (25 years old)

[MrOldboy]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

Yes, look at the posts above yours, I noted Almora was upgraded to an A. A few guys have been downgraded to a B.

Sorry, hard to follow the way you are posting this. I only saw the last few years.

With Almora being upgraded to an A in sims he'll be dropped, but I don't really see an issue with Soler really, and Baez should be in the 70s as well.

I'm not very familiar with the White Sox's system, but they could easily be underrated. Just looking at Hawkins, if he is an A potential 52 seems too low for him to reach his A potential.

[yanksdaniel99]

Re: Cubs Player Potential Discussion: 2013 OSFM roster

I think this will be the last season I'll sim. A lot of these top prospects are starting to reach their peaks, or all-star status, so I'll just stop here. I'll keep the file though in case anyone wants me to go further, or to check on other prospects not listed here.....


Pre 2019
Trayce Thompson, Previous Overall 77, New Overall 80, +3 change (28 years old)
Courtney Hawkins, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change (25 years old)
Adalberto Mondesi, Previous Overall 74, New Overall 78, +4 change (24 years old)
Bubba Starling, Previous Overall 83, New Overall 87, +4 change (26 years old)
Addison Russell, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 90, +0 change (25 years old)
Carlos Correa, Previous Overall 79, New Overall 83, +4 change (24 years old)
Javier Baez, Previous Overall 86, New Overall 90, +4 change (26 years old)
Jorge Soler, Previous Overall 92, New Overall 92, +0 change (27 years old)
Albert Almora, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 90, +0 change (24 years old)
David Dahl, Previous Overall 90, New Overall 93, +3 change (25 years old)
Kevin Gausman, Previous Overall 88, New Overall 92, +4 change (28 years old)
Roberto Osuna, Previous Overall 72, New Overall 76, +4 change (24 years old) (Downgraded to B Potential)
Daniel Norris, Previous Overall 82, New Overall 85, +3 change (25 years old)

So ... Based on these sims, what are your thoughts/conclusions ? Interested to hear what you think.