CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

[doncoryell]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I seem to see different results with 08. Maybe the fine tuning they did with the AI changed the way the game plays. I don't know, but I certainly haven't seen anything close to those hit numbers with Contact set low. But again, this year's game introduced the Timing Window slider, which affects amount of contact. I have this slider set VERY low to increase strikeout numbers since I saw very few. In the box score you posted, I noticed both teams only had 4 K's. That's low for MLB averages, depending on the quality of the pitcher. And with a team with bad pitching, such as the Reds, I'd go full games with NO strikeouts. That's just not realistic.

So to counteract that, I have adjusted the Timing Window slider down very low and the amount of strikeouts has increased. But consequently, hits go down also. So it's about finding a good balance. But even last year, I just never saw those kind of results you posted when using a low Contact slider. Funny how different people see different things.

Ok. I'm going to have to look at that timing window slider since it is new and see what can be done. Thanks for letting me know about the new slider and your observations.

Considering that the matchup really wasn't the greatest (Wright/Minor), the number of strikeouts weren't as bad as it seems. Both Detroit and Baltimore averaged around 6.7 strikeouts per game. BTW, the Chicago Cubs were the major league leader, striking out 7.4 per game and the Nationals ranked last, striking out an average of 5.7.

No one is going to get exactly the same results but we will see some variety based on matchups, just like we would with the other sports.

Thanks again.

[Knight165]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

where's knight he's the mom king

Knights very busy....and Knight very rarely uses anything that is stock....
However....I have played about a dozen manage only mode games(everything default....I'm testing to see what needs fixin')....about two dozen CPU vs. CPU games and another dozen played games...

I asked Kolbe about MOM vs CPU/CPU games....and he said the gameplay is practically identical....no gameplay input from the user...just decisions ...just as the CPU makes decisions for it's team. Makes sense..

That being said....I do think that the offense is toned down this year....but I can't say I blame SCEA...because that is exactly what JUST ABOUT everyone cried for last year.

I'm playing a manage only mode as I type....Mets vs Marlins.....Maine vs.Miller
I'm using some sliders that Nemesis sent me...the score is 5-4 Mets at the end of the fifth..
Mets....5 runs...9 hits 0 errors....Reyes triple, Castillo homerun ....Maine 3 BB's 2 K's 1 HBP(Willingham)
Marlins 4 runs....8 hits 0 errors....Castillo(Jose) double, Hermida double and a homerun......Miller 3 BB's....3 K's....Gardner 1 BB...1 K

I'm sure between edits and sliders manage only mode will be very good.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I'm not going to keep jumping in....but Reyes just nailed a double down the line......and after Castillo flew out....Wright hits a BOMB to dead centerfield CHRIST that was a monster.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Ha....I said I wasn't going to keep popping in....I lied!

After Reyes struck out to start the 7th against Tankersley.....Castillo drew a walk...and David Wright just hit another bomb this time just inside the fair pole in LF! 10-4 Mets now and they are just piling on. 10 runs on 17 hits 4 runs on 8 hits for the Marlins.
I'm keeping Maine in one more inning ..


M.K.
Knight165

[LetsGoBucs]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Hey guys - I'm glad I came to this thread with the other MOM folks! Just a couple of Q's for all of you:

1. Do you still have players stealing 2nd/3rd without you calling for a steal? I had this happen to me a lot in '07, and it happened in the one game I was able to play in '08.

2. Are you able to make a substitution after an injury or ejection? In '07, the CPU would just make a substitution for you.

The one game I did play, it was on default sliders, and it was a great game. KC (me) 3, MIN 0. 8 and 6 hits respectively. 1 HR, and a couple of doubles. More K's and BB's than last year, which was great.

I'm looking forward to seeing what we can come up with for great sliders for MOM, and can help in any way! Just let me know. My wife is working today, so I will be spending some quality time with The Show...

[SoxChamp]

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Ha....I said I wasn't going to keep popping in....I lied!

After Reyes struck out to start the 7th against Tankersley.....Castillo drew a walk...and David Wright just hit another bomb this time just inside the fair pole in LF! 10-4 Mets now and they are just piling on. 10 runs on 17 hits 4 runs on 8 hits for the Marlins.
I'm keeping Maine in one more inning ..


M.K.
Knight165

Sounds to me like there's a little too much offense, eh? I noticed this when I first popped it in without any adjustments, so let me know if you see the same thing going forward. The problem I see is the computer is too good at hitting the ball, and it seems to be centered around the Timing Window slider. As with last year, I'm not seeing many strikeouts...but as you go further down with the Timing Slider, the strikeouts increase and the offense goes down. Just something for you to consider.

[LetsGoBucs]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Sounds to me like there's a little too much offense, eh? I noticed this when I first popped it in without any adjustments, so let me know if you see the same thing going forward. The problem I see is the computer is too good at hitting the ball, and it seems to be centered around the Timing Window slider. As with last year, I'm not seeing many strikeouts...but as you go further down with the Timing Slider, the strikeouts increase and the offense goes down. Just something for you to consider.

Funny, as I have not seen much offense. Especially on the extra base hit front. Just played another game on All-Star default and here was the result:

Giants (CPU) 2 7 0
Nats (me) 1 8 1

SF:
2B: Vizquel
HR: Durham

WAS:
2B: Kearns

Pitching:
SF: 6K, 3BB. WAS: 9K, 3BB

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Funny, as I have not seen much offense. Especially on the extra base hit front. Just played another game on All-Star default and here was the result:

Giants (CPU) 2 7 0
Nats (me) 1 8 1

SF:
2B: Vizquel
HR: Durham

WAS:
2B: Kearns

Pitching:
SF: 6K, 3BB. WAS: 9K, 3BB

I guess I should qualify my statement...I was noticing alot of HRs and smashing screamers up the middle with the timing slider on default. I was NOT seeing extra base hits at all, and still aren't. My Reds have hit ONE in 5 games. So yeah, I am seeing what you are seeing and would love to see if anyone (Knight) finds a solution. The only thing I can suggest in terms of that is to increase the Hit Quality slider from default, and then lower the Timing Window slider to balance it out so it doesn't turn into a line drive fest.

By the way, one of the devs said that difficulty level on MOM does not make a difference. If there is no human player involved, there is no difficulty level. So you can avoid tinkering with that, if you were planning to.

[LetsGoBucs]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I guess I should quality my statement...I was noticing alot of HRs and smashing screamers up the middle with the timing slider on default. I was NOT seeing extra base hits at all, and still aren't. My Reds have hit ONE in 5 games. So yeah, I am seeing what you are seeing and would love to see if anyone (Knight) finds a solution. The only thing I can suggest in terms of that is to increase the Hit Quality slider from default, and then lower the Timing Window slider to balance it out so it doesn't turn into a line drive fest.

By the way, one of the devs said that difficulty level on MOM does not make a difference. If there is no human player involved, there is no difficulty level. So you can avoid tinkering with that, if you were planning to.

Thanks for the suggestions, and also thanks for telling me about the difficulty levels. I probably would have fiddled around with that as well. I'm going to try a couple of things now...

[bcruise]

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Okay, after seeing what I just saw, I'm gonna agree with bringing fielder reaction down. I was messing around with an all-star game, testing out the power thing when I noticed something. Ichiro, in CF, was breaking to the ball AT the crack of the bat, not even a split second after. I was slowing down the replay to the slowest speed possible, hearing the bat crack, and watch him move at the same time. I don't think that reaction is humanly possible.

I'm not sure where to set it, but I'm positive that slider needs to come down now. No wonder we aren't seeing any doubles...

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Okay, after seeing what I just saw, I'm gonna agree with bringing fielder reaction down. I was messing around with an all-star game, testing out the power thing when I noticed something. Ichiro, in CF, was breaking to the ball AT the crack of the bat, not even a split second after. I was slowing down the replay to the slowest speed possible, hearing the bat crack, and watch him move at the same time. I don't think that reaction is humanly possible.

I'm not sure where to set it, but I'm positive that slider needs to come down now. No wonder we aren't seeing any doubles...

Thanks for your observations. The only thing I worry about is will infielder reaction time be lowered too much? With the amount of screaming liners there are in the infield in this game, I worry about our fielders just standing there like a statue for too long while the ball goes right on by.

[bkrich83]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Playing HOF default, I am getting great results. I guess it's just me though.

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Playing HOF default, I am getting great results. I guess it's just me though.

I don't think the difficulty has anything to do with it. One of the devs said that there is no difficulty level in MOM because there is no human player.

[bkrich83]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I don't think the difficulty has anything to do with it. One of the devs said that there is no difficulty level in MOM because there is no human player.

Ok, then playing default sliders, I am getting great results. No issues with HR's, extra base hits, or Strikeouts. Well, walks are a touch low, I do take that back.

Had a great game last night SD vs. Houston. Peavy vs. Oswalt.

Game ended with the Pads 5 runs, 11 hits, 1 error and The Astros having 4 runs 8 hits and 0 errors. Astros scored 4 runs off of Peavy in 7 innings. Peavy did strike out 9. Oswalt went 7 1/3 innings striking out 7. Scott Hairtson homered off of Oswalt, and Jim Edmonds homered off of Doug Brocail. This was in Petco as well.

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Ok, then playing default sliders, I am getting great results. No issues with HR's, extra base hits, or Strikeouts. Well, walks are a touch low, I do take that back.

Had a great game last night SD vs. Houston. Peavy vs. Oswalt.

Game ended with the Pads 5 runs, 11 hits, 1 error and The Astros having 4 runs 8 hits and 0 errors. Astros scored 4 runs off of Peavy in 7 innings. Peavy did strike out 9. Oswalt went 7 1/3 innings striking out 7. Scott Hairtson homered off of Oswalt, and Jim Edmonds homered off of Doug Brocail. This was in Petco as well.

Yeah, those K numbers seem pretty good. That was my main problem with default sliders...I saw very few strikeouts, especially from the lower end teams in the league. I play as the Reds, and I'd be lucky to see 2 every game.

I had the same problem last year and everyone told me I was nuts...until someone finally broke down and played a game as the Reds also and saw the very same thing. I think the lower end teams don't quite get the same numbers as you just saw, nor do they get the numbers they SHOULD be. Matt Belisle isn't exactly in the same league as Oswalt and Peavy, but he still should be striking out more than ZERO.

So I guess my challenge for those that want to test this is to give your #5 starter a go and see if you are still seeing enough K's.