CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Ready for a shock? Like bkrich, these are defaults - I didn't change a single thing. All-Star difficulty, if it matters (and I really don't think it does). And those doubles (and triples!!) numbers aren't a typo.

There's only one thing I can think of that makes so much of a difference between quick games (which I normally test on) and the rivalry series - Progressive batting Performance MUST be playing a role. Quick game is like playing in a vacuum, and maybe it doesn't allow the stats to balance themselves out over time (and multiple games) like a rivalry or season mode would. That's the best I can come up with for why the results would be so strikingly different - it really is hard to imagine.

As for individuals, Ryan Braun is absolutely tearing the cover off the ball. 3 HR's and he had that monster jack I was alluding to in the main forum. His PBP arrow is pointing straight up!

I'm watching Game 5 now, and another double, and another HR were hit as I type. This really is amazing. There are things I want to change (and I think I'm going to take nem's advice to limit the cutoff throws), but I can't argue with the stats - not one bit.

Here's my question, though. Are you just watching a CPU vs CPU game or playing Manage Only? Because as crazy as it seems, CPU vs CPU games seem to play better than Manage Only games. I watched several CPU vs CPU games with the demo and saw doubles all over the place....but have not experienced the same with MOM. So my problem, currently, lies in MOM.

[bcruise]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Here's my question, though. Are you just watching a CPU vs CPU game or playing Manage Only? Because as crazy as it seems, CPU vs CPU games seem to play better than Manage Only games. I watched several CPU vs CPU games with the demo and saw doubles all over the place....but have not experienced the same with MOM. So my problem, currently, lies in MOM.

I'm watching the CPU play. So, if you believe that and MOM are two separate things, then I can't really help. I prefer to go by what their AI guy said, which was that there was no difference, and that the CPU sliders affect both teams.

The thing is, in MOM you do have some degree of control over the outcome - you can tell your pitcher to pitch inside or out, high or low, when the CPU itself might not do that. You could tell your hitter to take a 3-0 pitch when the CPU might have him swing away. So that could end up affecting the results of MOM games, and make them different from the CPU only results.

Just some thoughts on that...it's not like I have a solution for it.

[SoxChamp]

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I'm watching the CPU play. So, if you believe that and MOM are two separate things, then I can't really help. I prefer to go by what their AI guy said, which was that there was no difference, and that the CPU sliders affect both teams.

The thing is, in MOM you do have some degree of control over the outcome - you can tell your pitcher to pitch inside or out, high or low, when the CPU itself might not do that. You could tell your hitter to take a 3-0 pitch when the CPU might have him swing away. So that could end up affecting the results of MOM games, and make them different from the CPU only results.

Just some thoughts on that...it's not like I have a solution for it.

Sure, there is a certain level of control we have in MOM. But I don't generally tell the pitcher where to pitch...I let the CPU do it. So it's essentially the same as what you are watching. I do control what my batters do, but my few TAKE signs and the occasional STEAL certainly don't account for why I'm seeing 21 hits from both teams, with 20 of them being singles.

I also read what you read, where the AI guy said that MOM and CPU vs CPU are exactly the same. They said this last year too. But I disagree, just like many disagree that the difficulty level makes a difference when the AI guy said it didn't. Point is....it certainly makes us sound a little silly to argue against what someone who made the game says....but I guess they are human too and there are so many people involved in the making of a game that maybe the AI guy is just wrong. No one is perfect.

I guess I want to challenge you to play a MOM game and see if you see the same results. In fact, play one with the Reds just for giggles. And tell me if you don't see a singles fest right before your very eyes. I'd almost bet on it.

[bkrich83]

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HOW HOW HOW are you seeing those results??? I just don't get it. When I moved everything back to default and moved up to HOF, I saw 21 Hits, 20 of the them singles. I'm lost.

Like I said, earlier it's a pretty small sample size. It could be complete luck. When I get home tonight, I think I'll try it with another team.

I am actually more Angels fan, so maybe I'll start an Angels season and see what happens.

[bcruise]

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Sure, there is a certain level of control we have in MOM. But I don't generally tell the pitcher where to pitch...I let the CPU do it. So it's essentially the same as what you are watching. I do control what my batters do, but my few TAKE signs and the occasional STEAL certainly don't account for why I'm seeing 21 hits from both teams, with 20 of them being singles.

I also read what you read, where the AI guy said that MOM and CPU vs CPU are exactly the same. They said this last year too. But I disagree, just like many disagree that the difficulty level makes a difference when the AI guy said it didn't. Point is....it certainly makes us sound a little silly to argue against what someone who made the game says....but I guess they are human too and there are so many people involved in the making of a game that maybe the AI guy is just wrong. No one is perfect.

I guess I want to challenge you to play a MOM game and see if you see the same results. In fact, play one with the Reds just for giggles. And tell me if you don't see a singles fest right before your very eyes. I'd almost bet on it.

Okay, I will - BUT I'm going to try it in a season or franchise, and not the main menu manager mode (again, a vacuum). The game opening up on Rivalry mode has really turned my world upside down.

And I'm gonna finish watching this rivalry game first. Series is 2-2, BTW, despite the Cubs being outscored.

[SoxChamp]

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Like I said, earlier it's a pretty small sample size. It could be complete luck. When I get home tonight, I think I'll try it with another team.

I am actually more Angels fan, so maybe I'll start an Angels season and see what happens.

Yeah, just keep updating us. The one thing I can say (unlike some people who play 1 game and start complaining) is that I was patient in the beginning and tried to give the game time to even out. I've now played 10 games and have 4 team doubles. By comparison, the league leader (simmed of course) has 32. I have 4. Something is wrong here.

One thing to note...I am in spring training. I don't quite see how that would make a difference, but maybe ST is busted in some way. That doesn't really make sense....but you never know I guess.

[bkrich83]

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Here's my question, though. Are you just watching a CPU vs CPU game or playing Manage Only? Because as crazy as it seems, CPU vs CPU games seem to play better than Manage Only games. I watched several CPU vs CPU games with the demo and saw doubles all over the place....but have not experienced the same with MOM. So my problem, currently, lies in MOM.

I am playing MOM, season mode.

In the final game, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it was Randy Wolf (SD) vs. Woody Williams (Hou.).

I remember Darrin Erstad led the game off with a homer down the right field line. Lance Berkman hit a HR to LC that bounced off the second deck facade. The Astros rookie catcher JR Towles doubled to left center. Jim Edmonds hit a gapper in to triples alley and ended up with a triple. Tad Iguchi hit a bomb for me as well.

I think there were 16 total hits between the two teams with several extra base hits.

I really can not complain about he results I am getting from MOM at default sliders at this point. Again still very early.

[bcruise]

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I don't think even SC can complain about this





I knew things were looking good when I saw back to back D-back doubles leading off the ballgame. The game itself was pretty good, with Joey Votto hitting the go-ahead and eventual winning HR. There was even a bases loaded walk by Juan Cruz.

I recorded this game in its entirety if anything needs to be proven, although I can only upload small clips due to the sound getting wacked out on the long ones. I might upload the Votto HR at-bat anyway, because the sequence leading up to the HR was so cool.

Forgot to add: it was MOM, with me as the Reds. All-Star, default sliders.

[Knight165]

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I don't think even SC can complain about this





I knew things were looking good when I saw back to back D-back doubles leading off the ballgame. The game itself was pretty good, with Joey Votto hitting the go-ahead and eventual winning HR. There was even a bases loaded walk by Juan Cruz.

I recorded this game in its entirety if anything needs to be proven, although I can only upload small clips due to the sound getting wacked out on the long ones. I might upload the Votto HR at-bat anyway, because the sequence leading up to the HR was so cool.

Forgot to add: it was MOM, with me as the Reds. All-Star, default sliders.

My boxscores look like that very regularly.
I wonder if SoxChamp should just change teams.....that might be his fix!

M.K.
Knight165

[bcruise]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

My boxscores look like that very regularly.
I wonder if SoxChamp should just change teams.....that might be his fix!

M.K.
Knight165

That's good to hear. Maybe that vacuum theory is right after all....sure puts to shame all the testing I do in quick play games!

[daniel80111]

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Hey guys, I just wanted to get some feedback on MOM mode. What do you guys find is the biggest difference in doing MOM over actually playing the games?? And what is the reason why you guys do this over playing the games yourself. As a person that has played games but hasnt purely managed it, I am kind of wondering why there are so many people moving over to manage only. Thanks guys!!

[bcruise]

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Here's the bottom half of the 7th, leading up to Votto's HR. As I said in the comments, yes I know the sound is desynced, and no I can't help it:

<embed style="width:400px; height:326px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=2094663199732178449&hl=en" flashvars=""> </embed>

[Joepman]

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I knew things were looking good when I saw back to back D-back doubles leading off the ballgame. The game itself was pretty good, with Joey Votto hitting the go-ahead and eventual winning HR. There was even a bases loaded walk by Juan Cruz.

I recorded this game in its entirety if anything needs to be proven, although I can only upload small clips due to the sound getting wacked out on the long ones. I might upload the Votto HR at-bat anyway, because the sequence leading up to the HR was so cool.

Forgot to add: it was MOM, with me as the Reds. All-Star, default sliders.

You're getting these numbers with default sliders, and edited rosters?

If so, what are your roster edits?

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I don't think even SC can complain about this





I knew things were looking good when I saw back to back D-back doubles leading off the ballgame. The game itself was pretty good, with Joey Votto hitting the go-ahead and eventual winning HR. There was even a bases loaded walk by Juan Cruz.

I recorded this game in its entirety if anything needs to be proven, although I can only upload small clips due to the sound getting wacked out on the long ones. I might upload the Votto HR at-bat anyway, because the sequence leading up to the HR was so cool.

Forgot to add: it was MOM, with me as the Reds. All-Star, default sliders.

Your numbers look great. But regardless, I am now 13 games into ST and have seen nothing even remotely close to that with default sliders. Either team is lucky to even score. All I see are foul outs, tappers back to the mound, and lazy fly balls. I certainly don't see 2 doubles and 3 homers. I believe you...I'm just not seeing it. Strange.

[bcruise]

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You're getting these numbers with default sliders, and edited rosters?

If so, what are your roster edits?

No roster edits. Default sliders.

Does anyone know why the embed code isn't working up there?