CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Hey guys, I just wanted to get some feedback on MOM mode. What do you guys find is the biggest difference in doing MOM over actually playing the games?? And what is the reason why you guys do this over playing the games yourself. As a person that has played games but hasnt purely managed it, I am kind of wondering why there are so many people moving over to manage only. Thanks guys!!

I have explained this many times on this board. I tried to find my previous post to paste here, but my search results came back empty.

Why do I play Manage Only?

One word: REALISM.

Baseball is a stat-driven sport. I want my players to play based on their abilities, not how well I can move my thumbs. If you have a baseball video game that is a decent sim with decent player ratings, then letting the computer control your players based on their ratings is the only way you will ever get realistic results. To me, there is too much human error involved in wiggling your thumbs. If I suck at hitting, every player on my team is going to suck. If I suck at pitching, every pitcher on my team is going to suck. I don't want that. I want varied results based on player ratings for the most realistic, stat-driven video game possible.

On top of that, I love baseball strategy. I love trying to beat the CPU with strategic and well-timed managerial decisions rather than if I can smash a button at the right time or not. I love trying to make my team better through trades and free agent pickups rather than trying to get better at mashing a button. Too many people complain about this game being either too easy or too hard. Why? Human interaction. If you master the game, you will be able to stand in that batter's box and mash the hell out of the baseball. Playing Manage Only, you will never master it. You will only be engrossed in trying to be the best baseball manager and GM you can be.

So basically...most people play this game like it's a video game. I prefer to play it like a strategic sim.

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

No roster edits. Default sliders.

Does anyone know why the embed code isn't working up there?

The only problem I see with your game is the other problem I have seen since I started. Granted, its' only one game...so take this for what it's worth.

But I notice the D-Backs scored twice in the first, then nothing. Against Reds pitching. Horrible Reds pitching. I saw the same thing game after game. A little offense early on, then absolutely nothing the rest of the way...from BOTH teams. I am 13 games in, and neither team has scored more than 5 runs.

Not trying to sound like a complainer...I just thought I'd share my observation of the only other problem I am having. Little offense and no doubles, which to me, go hand in hand.

But yeah, your doubles and HR numbers seem great.

[bkrich83]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Started my Angels season tonight.

First game vs. the Twins at the Metrodome.

John Lackey vs. Livian Hernandez.

Angels jumped all over Hernandez and touched him up for 6 runs in 3 1/3 innings, as the Angels run away in the first blowout of all the games I have played.

Final Numbers

Angels 10 runs 14 hits 0 errors
Twins 2 runs 8 hits 1 error.

Extra Base Hits:
Angels
2b V.Guerrero, G.Mattews, E.Aybar
HR- C.Kotchman

Twins
2b: J.Mauer, M. Lamb, J.Morneau
3b: C.Gomez

Note: Gomez triple was a sinking line drive to right center than Torii Hunter dove for and missed and it rolled to the wall.

John Laceky went 6 innings giving up 6 hits and striking out 5 while walking one.

[manooly]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

bcruise,
So, as of right now your recommendation for starting a Franchise in CPU vs CPU mode would be the Default Sliders on All-Star setting correct? Are there any other settings I should change? I hear people talking about AGI or something. What exactly is that? Please let me know the specifics of your league setup because it looks like you're getting great results. You mainly watch the CPU vs CPU also correct? Have you tried watching any games on Veteran? That is what I've done most of my testing on in Franchise/CPU vs CPU mode. I see way too many singles at this level. I may have to start over with the All-Star level. Let me know what you all think when you get a chance.

Thanks for your time!

- manooly

[bcruise]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

bcruise,
So, as of right now your recommendation for starting a Franchise in CPU vs CPU mode would be the Default Sliders on All-Star setting correct? Are there any other settings I should change? I hear people talking about AGI or something. What exactly is that? Please let me know the specifics of your league setup because it looks like you're getting great results. You mainly watch the CPU vs CPU also correct? Have you tried watching any games on Veteran? That is what I've done most of my testing on in Franchise/CPU vs CPU mode. I see way too many singles at this level. I may have to start over with the All-Star level. Let me know what you all think when you get a chance.

Thanks for your time!

- manooly

I'm not going to give a recommendation based on 5 games of a rivalry series -
it's just not enough yet to know how things will bear out over a whole season's worth of games. But I do think there is a sharp difference in the way the "connected" modes like rivalry, season, franchise, and RTTS play (in terms of extra base hits) versus quick game and exhibitions.

I'll keep updating you guys on this series every once in awhile, if you like. The numbers are still holding up, IMO. I might also try starting a new CPU only series with user difficulty on rookie, just to see if it makes any difference (I doubt it will).

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Started my Angels season tonight.

First game vs. the Twins at the Metrodome.

John Lackey vs. Livian Hernandez.

Angels jumped all over Hernandez and touched him up for 6 runs in 3 1/3 innings, as the Angels run away in the first blowout of all the games I have played.

Final Numbers

Angels 10 runs 14 hits 0 errors
Twins 2 runs 8 hits 1 error.

Extra Base Hits:
Angels
2b V.Guerrero, G.Mattews, E.Aybar
HR- C.Kotchman

Twins
2b: J.Mauer, M. Lamb, J.Morneau
3b: C.Gomez

Note: Gomez triple was a sinking line drive to right center than Torii Hunter dove for and missed and it rolled to the wall.

John Laceky went 6 innings giving up 6 hits and striking out 5 while walking one.

All of your games look great. But even after playing another game last night, I'm just not seeing anything even remotely close to that. It really doesn't make sense.

[manooly]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I started a new franchise with the Yankees last night on All-Star level. You can only change the level for Player 1 and Player 2 though (not CPU) so I'm not sure this will effect CPU vs CPU games. I watched 2 games (CPU vs CPU) against the Blue Jays. While the scores were ok, (6-5 and 7-3) I'm still not too happy with how many singles I'm seeing. The first game had 21 total hits (1 double and 2 HR's). The second game had 20 total hits (2 doubles and 1 HR). Now I know that this really could happen , I just do not like how many singles I've seen overall. I left the API on Default. Is this ok? I did not change anything else besides the All-Star level from Veteran. I just left the conrollers in the middle and watched the games. Do I need to change anything else? I'll keep playing a couple more of these games and see how things pan out.

BTW: Can I just load my saved franchise and play a game when I first turn it on tonight? Will it remember my settings/sliders (even though I did not make any changes besides All-Star) from the last games I played within my franchise? I just haven't figured the loading part out yet. Maybe I'm making it harder than it has to be.

Thanks for your time!

- manooly

[doncoryell]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I started a new franchise with the Yankees last night on All-Star level. You can only change the level for Player 1 and Player 2 though (not CPU) so I'm not sure this will effect CPU vs CPU games. I watched 2 games (CPU vs CPU) against the Blue Jays. While the scores were ok, (6-5 and 7-3) I'm still not too happy with how many singles I'm seeing. The first game had 21 total hits (1 double and 2 HR's). The second game had 20 total hits (2 doubles and 1 HR). Now I know that this really could happen , I just do not like how many singles I've seen overall. I left the API on Default. Is this ok? I did not change anything else besides the All-Star level from Veteran. I just left the conrollers in the middle and watched the games. Do I need to change anything else? I'll keep playing a couple more of these games and see how things pan out.

BTW: Can I just load my saved franchise and play a game when I first turn it on tonight? Will it remember my settings/sliders (even though I did not make any changes besides All-Star) from the last games I played within my franchise? I just haven't figured the loading part out yet. Maybe I'm making it harder than it has to be.

Thanks for your time!

- manooly

I believe that you can only change the CPU level before going into franchise mode. I'm not sure on that though.

When you load your saved franchise file, it should also include any changes that you made unless you didn't save the file after making the change. Either way, you should always double check just in case.

[GreenGlen]

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The cpu is difficult to say the least using default sliders. In MOM with Astros spring training I am 5-10 so far. No hitting, poor pitching... Maybe things change during the season, but its frustrating.

[doncoryell]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

FYI for those who are irked by # of hits per runs scored, especially singles, here are a couple of results from actual games:

San Francisco - 1 run, 4 hits
LA Angels - 8 runs, 17 hits
4 were extra bases
17 singles (80.95% of total hits)

Florida - 2 runs, 8 hits
St.Louis - 2 runs, 5 hits
4 were extra bases
9 singles (69.2% of total hits)

Atlanta - 8 runs, 20 hits
Chicago - 5 runs, 10 hits
9 were extra bases
21 singles (70%)

Is there a trend? You better believe it. These are just a few out of many games in which there will be close to 70% of the total hits being singles. That's the nature of the game. It's all about the matchups in co-ordination with outside factors (weather, location of game, etc.)

There are players who will be around 50% of their hits being singles and those who will average near 80% of their hits being singles. Combine them with a sinker ball pitcher throwing to them and you will expect to see a ton of singles.


The average for teams last season in the majors was right around 65% of their hits being singles. The key word is AVERAGE. Some games may have more than the average, some games may have less. It all depends upon the matchups on that given day. And that goes for the other stats, ie. strikeouts, as well.

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

The cpu is difficult to say the least using default sliders. In MOM with Astros spring training I am 5-10 so far. No hitting, poor pitching... Maybe things change during the season, but its frustrating.

Which is silly, because the CPU shouldn't be more difficult or better than your team in MOM mode, because there is no difficulty (according to Brian). Both teams, AI wise, should play equally...but I'm seeing the same thing as you. Absolutely no offense from my team.

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

FYI for those who are irked by # of hits per runs scored, especially singles, here are a couple of results from actual games:

San Francisco - 1 run, 4 hits
LA Angels - 8 runs, 17 hits
4 were extra bases
17 singles (80.95% of total hits)

Florida - 2 runs, 8 hits
St.Louis - 2 runs, 5 hits
4 were extra bases
9 singles (69.2% of total hits)

Atlanta - 8 runs, 20 hits
Chicago - 5 runs, 10 hits
9 were extra bases
21 singles (70%)

Is there a trend? You better believe it. These are just a few out of many games in which there will be close to 70% of the total hits being singles. That's the nature of the game. It's all about the matchups in co-ordination with outside factors (weather, location of game, etc.)

There are players who will be around 50% of their hits being singles and those who will average near 80% of their hits being singles. Combine them with a sinker ball pitcher throwing to them and you will expect to see a ton of singles.


The average for teams last season in the majors was right around 65% of their hits being singles. The key word is AVERAGE. Some games may have more than the average, some games may have less. It all depends upon the matchups on that given day. And that goes for the other stats, ie. strikeouts, as well.

Yes, but I'm seeing games (most of them, actually) with 100% singles. I would argue that this is a problem.

[bkrich83]

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[quote=SoxChamp;2038239938]Yes, but I'm seeing games (most of them, actually) with 100% singles. I would argue that this is a problem. [/quote

Which is strange, because I am seeing nothing even close to what you are. I really don't get it.

[LetsGoBucs]

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Yes, but I'm seeing games (most of them, actually) with 100% singles. I would argue that this is a problem.

SoxChamp - Have you tried other teams or are you only playing with the Reds? Just curious.

I started a franchise with the Nats and am only 2 games in, but I've seen a few extra base hits. Not a ton, but a couple.

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

[quote=bkrich83;2038239942]

Yes, but I'm seeing games (most of them, actually) with 100% singles. I would argue that this is a problem. [/quote

Which is strange, because I am seeing nothing even close to what you are. I really don't get it.

Yeah, I know. I've seen your box scores and they look great. But I can't replicate that no matter what combination of settings, sliders, and difficulty I try. Like I said in the other thread, my latest game last night featured 16 total hits....all singles.