CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

[kingdevin]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I only have the ps2 which, by the way, is working great again this year with the cpu vs cpu sliders that you had for it last year.

I would like to know what the people are calling an "excessive amount" of singles. The MLB average last year was around 65% of the total hits being singles. Some games you might even see the % of singles to be around and over 80% based on the pitchers and the matchups. I saw the percentage that high in a bunch of box scores from last season. For example, a sinkerball pitcher will probably have a high groundball percentage, which one would tend to believe would cause more singles than extra base hits.

Hey doncoryell,

I started w/ps2 and upgraded to ps3 last year. I still have last years game and am wondering whether it is worth it to upgrade esp if the focus was more graphical this year. I was pretty satisfied with the slider tweaks from last year but for the ps3 I had trouble finding a balance between less unbelievable rocket hits and HR's. In addition, I had a little issue w/the excessive use of the cutoff man. Now i have heard in these forums that if a players arm strength is increased it may result in less use of the cutoff. That seems like to me that the player would need a rocket arm to so this. I usually reduce arm speed alot in my player edits so i don't know if i would want to increase.

With that said, I would interpret excessive singles as there are fewer x-tra base hits and/or there are too many base hits and they are mostly singles... and this happens for an abundant amount of games regardless of pitcher. I find the sliders in the Show work real weird sometimes..sometimes it is as if they don't stay consistent for a long time and actually "shift" after a time. In any event the sliders I came up with were the best I could do at that time. I am glad that you enjoy the still. Perhaps we have a similar taste in how we like watching games. I have been tweaking sliders for MLB2k8 lately. I've been getting decent results. I like that game this year b/c of the ariel view. That has always been my favorite fielding view. I wish the Show would offer additional angles and include that in addition to high view.

Sorry for the ramble

[LetsGoBucs]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I would like to know what the people are calling an "excessive amount" of singles. The MLB average last year was around 65% of the total hits being singles. Some games you might even see the % of singles to be around and over 80% based on the pitchers and the matchups. I saw the percentage that high in a bunch of box scores from last season. For example, a sinkerball pitcher will probably have a high groundball percentage, which one would tend to believe would cause more singles than extra base hits.

I recently played a game that had 23 hits total, and 21 were singles (that's a tad over 91% singles). Typically, I'm seeing between 80-90% singles per game.

I think the problem (at least for me) isn't as much the numbers but the fact that there are balls that should be doubles that are turned into singles by fast OF's. Balls down the line that in a typical major league game are doubles end up as singles on the Show. For me, the OF's are positioned too deep and are too fast so they get to balls that should be doubles and turn them into singles.

[doncoryell]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

I recently played a game that had 23 hits total, and 21 were singles (that's a tad over 91% singles). Typically, I'm seeing between 80-90% singles per game.

I think the problem (at least for me) isn't as much the numbers but the fact that there are balls that should be doubles that are turned into singles by fast OF's. Balls down the line that in a typical major league game are doubles end up as singles on the Show. For me, the OF's are positioned too deep and are too fast so they get to balls that should be doubles and turn them into singles.

What is your current setting for the fielder's reaction slider? You may want to try lowering it until you are starting to see more hits going into the gaps.

[doncoryell]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Hey doncoryell,

I started w/ps2 and upgraded to ps3 last year. I still have last years game and am wondering whether it is worth it to upgrade esp if the focus was more graphical this year. I was pretty satisfied with the slider tweaks from last year but for the ps3 I had trouble finding a balance between less unbelievable rocket hits and HR's. In addition, I had a little issue w/the excessive use of the cutoff man. Now i have heard in these forums that if a players arm strength is increased it may result in less use of the cutoff. That seems like to me that the player would need a rocket arm to so this. I usually reduce arm speed alot in my player edits so i don't know if i would want to increase.

With that said, I would interpret excessive singles as there are fewer x-tra base hits and/or there are too many base hits and they are mostly singles... and this happens for an abundant amount of games regardless of pitcher. I find the sliders in the Show work real weird sometimes..sometimes it is as if they don't stay consistent for a long time and actually "shift" after a time. In any event the sliders I came up with were the best I could do at that time. I am glad that you enjoy the still. Perhaps we have a similar taste in how we like watching games. I have been tweaking sliders for MLB2k8 lately. I've been getting decent results. I like that game this year b/c of the ariel view. That has always been my favorite fielding view. I wish the Show would offer additional angles and include that in addition to high view.

Sorry for the ramble

I would say that if the only things that were done were cosmetic, then stay with the lower priced ps2 version.

If you want to take a look at how your ps2 sliders are doing, feel free to follow along with my Reds and Orioles franchise journals in the dynasty hq forum.

[ktulu22]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Bump - How has the manage only mode been working for everybody? Considering picking up a ps2 and this game just for MOM - is it worth it?

[jb1903]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Does anyone have any good MOM sliders for the PS3, especially post-patch? I just picked up the game, and looking through this thread, I only see one post on sliders at the beginning and it is for MLB 07.

Just wondering if anyone has a good set of sliders to start a MOM franchise with. Any help would be appreciated!

[SoxChamp]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Does anyone have any good MOM sliders for the PS3, especially post-patch? I just picked up the game, and looking through this thread, I only see one post on sliders at the beginning and it is for MLB 07.

Just wondering if anyone has a good set of sliders to start a MOM franchise with. Any help would be appreciated!

Have you tried default? Or are you automatically assuming you need sliders?

According to several guys in this thread, default plays a very good MOM game. I can neither confirm nor deny this, as of yet.

[doncoryell]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Bump - How has the manage only mode been working for everybody? Considering picking up a ps2 and this game just for MOM - is it worth it?

I think that it is worth it for the ps2. I also have a slider set that is working really good for the "old gen" consoles (ps2 & xbox). You can check my results with them in my two franchise dynasties in the dynasty hq forum.

[kingdevin]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

No....I'm still testing a bunch of stuff....but Nem and I are kind of trying to sync my set with his sliders this year. Right now I think we've got the cut-off problem licked(so you get throws from the OF straight to the base and home plate)...next is the OF range....which I think is going to be an edit of attributes not a slider adjustment.
I'll put up something once I get settled in a little more.

M.K.
Knight165

So what did u do to deal w/ the cutoff problem?

[ZigZagMan]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Anybody else having pitch count problems on HOF default? My pitchers don't throw enough balls.

It's a 5:1 strike to ball ratio.

[Knight165]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

So what did u do to deal w/ the cutoff problem?

+5 on CPU arm strength has the OF'ers throw directly to the bases and home when they can/should. They will still use the cutoff man...but they will try and nail runners with this change.

Sorry it took so long to post the reply!

M.K.
Knight165

[kingdevin]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

So +5 would actually be 15 clicks from the left. Ok, I will check it out. It seems that this will make the throws come at rocket spd. I guess thats the trade off...

[gtm]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

So +5 would actually be 15 clicks from the left. Ok, I will check it out. It seems that this will make the throws come at rocket spd. I guess thats the trade off...

It works though.

[agonytheclown]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

What you guys are soon going to discover is that the difficulty setting DOES matter for MOM & CPUvsCPU. There seems to be more offense on the higher difficulty levels. I have no idea why Brian the AI guy claimed that it didn't have any effect.

Oh, if I had to guess I would say that it's because he IS a dev? They tend to know how these sorts of things work. (wink)

[agonytheclown]

Re: CPU vs. CPU (and MOM) discussion

Here's some stats from 4 games of a Rivalry series between the Cubs and Brewers - I wanted to ask what you guys thought of the numbers.

Cubs    vs    Brewers

Batting

135    AB    134
12    R    17
35    H    34
6    2B    5
0    3B    2
1    HR    4
12    RBI    17
44    TB    55
7    BB    9
25    K    41
2    SB    1
1    CS    1
.294    OBP    .291
.326    SLG    .410
.259    AVG    .254

Pitching

4.11    ERA    3.08
41    K    25
0    SO    1
17    R    12
16    ER    12
    
Fielding

105    PO    105
39    A    43
3    E    0
1    PB    0
.980    FLD    1.000

The sliders? Um.....we'll get to that part later. I just want to know what you guys think of the numbers first.

Here are some things that pop into my mind:

- walks WAY TOO LOW ... SCEA needs to work on this for next year, they really do.

- homerun numbers are low, too...

- How in the world did the team pitching totals for strikes come to '1', yet the team batting totals for strikes were '66'? I apologize if someone has already answered the post I am answering, I read a bunch of pages in before I couldn't resist posting any longer

- The Cubs struck out way more batters than the Brewers did, but the Brewers' team ERA was significantly better. Who won the series?