TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

[BleacherCreature]

Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

What hitting interface are you on? Im on timing.

Analog................

[topside]

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Is contact @ 6 & power @ 4 a update or a test? With the set thats posted on page on I lead the league in homers but 29th in batting avg. (through 19 games).

He's just testing it out. I actually played on game like with it at 6 and 4 and didn't like the feel of it. I was making contact with too many pitches. I think thru 3 innings I might've swung and missed once

[BleacherCreature]

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I don't know how you guys do it ....

[1] Lower offense by reducing SH to 2 (this is what I have it at also)
[2] But increase pitcher consistency.

You lower offense and increase pitching, and the result is that after 7 games using the Royals (yes, the Royals), they play like the Phillies

Then this works because they have almost the same record. Phillies are a half game better than KC.

[TNKNGM]

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He's just testing it out. I actually played on game like with it at 6 and 4 and didn't like the feel of it. I was making contact with too many pitches. I think thru 3 innings I might've swung and missed once

You at least have to play a full game or two.......you can't base anything on 3 innings

[TripleThreat1973]

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Do not raise power my friend. It will become a game decided on what team hit more home runs.

Firstly, I disagree about about raising power.

Secondly, isnt baseball generally decided by the team that hits more home runs, with few exceptions?

With the sliders presented in this thread, the games are decided by which team hits the most ground ball singles up the middle. 3-2 games with 15-18 combined hits (almost all singles). Balls that are crushed are easily caught by the deeply-positioned outfielders.

The per game averages for runs, hits, walks, extrabase hits, and home runs are far below the MLB per game averages. Isnt that important?

From my experience raising Solid Hits will improve both you and the cpu hitting drastically.

From my experience it will increase line drives.

Try it out and play the cpu on HOF or All star default. You'll probably get smacked around

Isnt that what Ive done? Its not like I just figured out how to put the game into the PS3 and started commenting in slider threads. Same discussions as last year.

Ive been playing with con=5, pow=7, sh=2, pitcher control = 4, pitcher consistency =3 ... and over the last 6 games, I have allowed 4 homers with the Royals staff and hit 3 with their offense. It is an increase, but even then its not to the 2.1 HR per g MLB average.

If pow=7 is "too much", then I would lower con, before I would lower power.

There has to be compensation for each slider move. You cannot make 2 moves that reduce offense, without doing something to challenge the pitching.

We discussed this last year ... that SH and Power seem to have a "trajectory" relationship. When you lower SH and increase power, you increase the "arc and length" of batted balls. When you increase solid hits, you pretty much just increase line drives.

I used the same sliders last year, and it worked the same way (and I keep track of slider results and compare them to MLB results). If anything offense seems a "little light" this year.

It was the same discussion last year when the early trend was to "zero out" solid hits. Every batter came to the plate with a nerf bat.

Ill leave it alone. I dont want to pollute anyones slider thread. Just one comment.

[JayD]

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TNK, What do you think of having contact at 6 and power at 4. I use timing hitting so I'm sure it will be a bit different for me.

[topside]

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Firstly, I disagree about about raising power.

Secondly, isnt baseball generally decided by the team that hits more home runs, with few exceptions?

With the sliders presented in this thread, the games are decided by which team hits the most ground ball singles up the middle. 3-2 games with 15-18 combined hits (almost all singles). Balls that are crushed are easily caught by the deeply-positioned outfielders.

The per game averages for runs, hits, walks, extrabase hits, and home runs are far below the MLB per game averages. Isnt that important?



From my experience it will increase line drives.



Isnt that what Ive done? Its not like I just figured out how to put the game into the PS3 and started commenting in slider threads. Same discussions as last year.

Ive been playing with con=5, pow=7, sh=2, pitcher control = 4, pitcher consistency =3 ... and over the last 6 games, I have allowed 4 homers with the Royals staff and hit 3 with their offense. It is an increase, but even then its not to the 2.1 HR per g MLB average.

If pow=7 is "too much", then I would lower con, before I would lower power.

There has to be compensation for each slider move. You cannot make 2 moves that reduce offense, without doing something to challenge the pitching.

We discussed this last year ... that SH and Power seem to have a "trajectory" relationship. When you lower SH and increase power, you increase the "arc and length" of batted balls. When you increase solid hits, you pretty much just increase line drives.

I used the same sliders last year, and it worked the same way (and I keep track of slider results and compare them to MLB results). If anything offense seems a "little light" this year.

It was the same discussion last year when the early trend was to "zero out" solid hits. Every batter came to the plate with a nerf bat.

Ill leave it alone. I dont want to pollute anyones slider thread. Just one comment.

Hey I was just giving you some advice from my personal experience ok. Solid hits states that it does impact a batter's batting average. Power at 7 seems too much to me when everyone else is hitting a ton of them at default. You act like I was trying to insult your intelligence. I'm pretty sure you didn't just pop the game in a second ago and come comment here.

I'm all for slider discussions and changes to help improve the game. I've never gotten mad at anyone for giving me advice.

[TNKNGM]

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TNK, What do you think of having contact at 6 and power at 4. I use timing hitting so I'm sure it will be a bit different for me.

I like it - you can see my boxscore for game #5 of my season that I still had HR's and extra base hits.

I'm going to keep it there for at least 5 games and see how it goes.

I very highly recommend you stich to Zone Hitting - just give it a few games

[TNKNGM]

Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

Firstly, I disagree about about raising power.

Secondly, isnt baseball generally decided by the team that hits more home runs, with few exceptions?

With the sliders presented in this thread, the games are decided by which team hits the most ground ball singles up the middle. 3-2 games with 15-18 combined hits (almost all singles). Balls that are crushed are easily caught by the deeply-positioned outfielders.

The per game averages for runs, hits, walks, extrabase hits, and home runs are far below the MLB per game averages. Isnt that important?



From my experience it will increase line drives.



Isnt that what Ive done? Its not like I just figured out how to put the game into the PS3 and started commenting in slider threads. Same discussions as last year.

Ive been playing with con=5, pow=7, sh=2, pitcher control = 4, pitcher consistency =3 ... and over the last 6 games, I have allowed 4 homers with the Royals staff and hit 3 with their offense. It is an increase, but even then its not to the 2.1 HR per g MLB average.

If pow=7 is "too much", then I would lower con, before I would lower power.

There has to be compensation for each slider move. You cannot make 2 moves that reduce offense, without doing something to challenge the pitching.

We discussed this last year ... that SH and Power seem to have a "trajectory" relationship. When you lower SH and increase power, you increase the "arc and length" of batted balls. When you increase solid hits, you pretty much just increase line drives.

I used the same sliders last year, and it worked the same way (and I keep track of slider results and compare them to MLB results). If anything offense seems a "little light" this year.

It was the same discussion last year when the early trend was to "zero out" solid hits. Every batter came to the plate with a nerf bat.

Ill leave it alone. I dont want to pollute anyones slider thread. Just one comment.

I know everyones style is different - but I'm not having groundball up the middle fests like you suggest. I get HR's and extra base hits.

[topside]

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You at least have to play a full game or two.......you can't base anything on 3 innings

I didn't like the feel of it. That's all. I also use Timing as my hitting though so we probably have different results

[ZOMB13AUTOPILOT]

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TNK, when you use Zone hitting, what is your preference when using the PCI. Do you have the PCI on so you can see it? Do you just leave it in the middle and not use the left stick? Do you aim the left stick pre-pitch and lay off if it's not in the zone you put your PCI in? Do you try to move the PCI where the pitch is going after the pitch is thrown?

I'm just interested in trying zone, but I don't know what the best approach would be for using it.

[TNKNGM]

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I didn't like the feel of it. That's all. I also use Timing as my hitting though so we probably have different results

I can't say it enough - switch the zone and give it a few games

The results will definitely be different

[TNKNGM]

Re: TNK & PsychoBulk ***The Perfect Slider Set 2011 Edition***

TNK, when you use Zone hitting, what is your preference when using the PCI. Do you have the PCI on so you can see it? Do you just leave it in the middle and not use the left stick? Do you aim the left stick pre-pitch and lay off if it's not in the zone you put your PCI in? Do you try to move the PCI where the pitch is going after the pitch is thrown?

I'm just interested in trying zone, but I don't know what the best approach would be for using it.

You just aim with the left stick while you swing....think of it as "going with the pitch"

I leave all indicators OFF and no guess pitch - just see the ball, aim and swing

[topside]

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I can't say it enough - switch the zone and give it a few games

The results will definitely be different

I'll give them a try for 5 games. Can't hurt. I'm hitting .240 on my season

[TripleThreat1973]

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I know everyones style is different - but I'm not having groundball up the middle fests like you suggest. I get HR's and extra base hits.

I was assuming that I was not the greatest The Show pitcher of all time to hold teams to such little offense using the Royals pitching staff. It's hard for me to judge my own hitting performances because I've never used a team as bad as the Royals.

I also force myself to throw to API locations, otherwise the tendency would be to have pitch charts look like some I saw the other day where EVERYTHING was down in the zone, as if anyone actually pitches like that, and that would also increase the amount of poor contact.

It'd be interesting to see people's 20 game samples/averages. 20 games generally works really well since it features series against 5-6 teams and it is 4 times through the rotation.

When I look at increased pitcher consistency, which results in more pitches around the border of the strike zone, AND reduced solid hits, How could the game NOT result in reduced offense? That would seemingly be the most obvious conclusion. If it did not, then something would be broken with the sliders.