JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

What I did was turn it to 10 go into play now and use one of the all time teams vs. a double a team and in 2 or 3 innings I can get it up to AS+ pretty quickly.

Sent from a galaxy far far away.

I agree with this approach. Also, drop their hitting sliders and bump yours all the way up.

[forme95]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

I agree with this approach. Also, drop their hitting sliders and bump yours all the way up.

What I did was turn it to 10 go into play now and use one of the all time teams vs. a double a team and in 2 or 3 innings I can get it up to AS+ pretty quickly.

Sent from a galaxy far far away.

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that next.

Josh, I am loving this indians roster. I can't wait to get past this last hurdle with pitching.

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[RogueHominid]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

While I know you prefer Bacon's roster (and I love it as well), do you have or see any major issues with using this set alongside a roster such as Ridin's?

Do you happen to have an active franchise with one of the OSFM roster and this set, and if so, is it playing out as you like?

[forme95]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

While I know you prefer Bacon's roster (and I love it as well), do you have or see any major issues with using this set alongside a roster such as Ridin's?

Do you happen to have an active franchise with one of the OSFM roster and this set, and if so, is it playing out as you like?

I have/had another franchise going (Mid May) using Ridin 2.5V. I can say it DOES play way different. Very offensive and overpowered. They really took the ratings to extreme from last year with all the HR and power. Just an example is Oscar Mercado (more a contact guy) with under 20 HR every season in mid May already has 13 (what he finished last year with). Now, that could be some of me hitting, but I notice with OSFM rosters that simmed games also that around the league has a lot of .390+ BA and a lot of .400+ BA hitters. Just my nobody opinion, something seems off about the rosters this year. Its like I can take anyone to the plate and can hit the cover off the ball.

[tyler28]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

I have/had another franchise going (Mid May) using Ridin 2.5V. I can say it DOES play way different. Very offensive and overpowered. They really took the ratings to extreme from last year with all the HR and power. Just an example is Oscar Mercado (more a contact guy) with under 20 HR every season in mid May already has 13 (what he finished last year with). Now, that could be some of me hitting, but I notice with OSFM rosters that simmed games also that around the league has a lot of .390+ BA and a lot of .400+ BA hitters. Just my nobody opinion, something seems off about the rosters this year. Its like I can take anyone to the plate and can hit the cover off the ball.

I agree completely. HRs on riders and base rosters from SDS are very easy to hit, with anyone. I could not get the long ball toned down until i switched rosters.

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[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

While I know you prefer Bacon's roster (and I love it as well), do you have or see any major issues with using this set alongside a roster such as Ridin's?

Do you happen to have an active franchise with one of the OSFM roster and this set, and if so, is it playing out as you like?

This is my personal "take"....

All of the 2020 rosters based on the SDS roster (including Ridin's as they do not touch SDSs' ratings) have issues. They are so heavily influenced by last year's HR-heavy stats (vs previous years - which relied a bit more evenly on 3 year splits), that hitting greatly outmans pitching. You just face too many mediocre pitchers that hang pitches left and right that get pummeled. Yes, you will still see some variety game-to-game, but not nearly as much.

You WILL see higher HR numbers and harder contact across the board with these rosters - regardless of sliders. These sliders are still ratings-focused and will work with the rosters, but does it reflect the kind of baseball you really want? The reason Bacon's roster stands out from this is because there is a better overall balance of hitting vs pitching. On the majority of Bacon's teams, number 3/4 starters have OVRs equivalent to number 1/2 starters on many of the "real" teams (and don't even get me started on the bullpens in SDS' roster). Sure, I've had crazy HR games with Bacon's roster (you saw one the other day on my stream), but I've had maybe 5 or 6 of those in 100+ games. I'm averaging 1.5 HRs per game as a team (which I'm good with) whereas some folks are seeing 2+ HRs per game with the SDS rosters.

People using these rosters have attempted to curb this by lowering the power sliders and/or timing, but they're not the issue. Exit velos are fine and timing is more about having appropriate camera angles and pitch speed offsets that challenge you (though timing can help a little). The issue is with pitching being too poor overall. Potentially, we could use different pitcher slider values to artificially augment them, but you'd move further away from a ratings-focused slider environment, which is antithetical to the central tenant of this setup.

So yes...I like Bacon's roster for a lot of reasons, but this is the big one.

[RogueHominid]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Got it.

Thanks for the feedback, all!

["The dude abides"]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

This is my personal "take"....

All of the 2020 rosters based on the SDS roster (including Ridin's as they do not touch SDSs' ratings) have issues. They are so heavily influenced by last year's HR-heavy stats (vs previous years - which relied a bit more evenly on 3 year splits), that hitting greatly outmans pitching. You just face too many mediocre pitchers that hang pitches left and right that get pummeled. Yes, you will still see some variety game-to-game, but not nearly as much.

You WILL see higher HR numbers and harder contact across the board with these rosters - regardless of sliders. These sliders are still ratings-focused and will work with the rosters, but does it reflect the kind of baseball you really want? The reason Bacon's roster stands out from this is because there is a better overall balance of hitting vs pitching. On the majority of Bacon's teams, number 3/4 starters have OVRs equivalent to number 1/2 starters on many of the "real" teams (and don't even get me started on the bullpens in SDS' roster). Sure, I've had crazy HR games with Bacon's roster (you saw one the other day on my stream), but I've had maybe 5 or 6 of those in 100+ games. I'm averaging 1.5 HRs per game as a team (which I'm good with) whereas some folks are seeing 2+ HRs per game with the SDS rosters.

People using these rosters have attempted to curb this by lowering the power sliders and/or timing, but they're not the issue. Exit velos are fine and timing is more about having appropriate camera angles and pitch speed offsets that challenge you (though timing can help a little). The issue is with pitching being too poor overall. Potentially, we could use different pitcher slider values to artificially augment them, but you'd move further away from a ratings-focused slider environment, which is antithetical to the central tenant of this setup.

So yes...I like Bacon's roster for a lot of reasons, but this is the big one.

Well said and absolutely true. I re-rated cycloniac's roster...well not exactly re-rated it, i just changed the value ranges for power and multiple pitching attributes (stamina/HR9/K8/BB9/control for each pitch).

I was 60 games in an season and got tired of the HR fest as well as seeing box scores with 1:1 walk/SO stats so often.

After making the changes I went back to default with the exception of solid hits. For now, that's still on 4. It's early, but the results have been exactly what I hoped for. Like you, i firmly believe that if the game can't be played at near default, it's a roster issue.

[forme95]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Perfect example of using OSFM roster. Playing a series against the 20-40 Giants is no different then playing a series against the 40-20 Yankees.

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[Funkycorm]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Perfect example of using OSFM roster. Playing a series against the 20-40 Giants is no different then playing a series against the 40-20 Yankees.

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This is actually why when I have started new franchises on 20 I have used my heavily edited roster from 2019.

I even went back and added more D prospects. All of the 2020 rosters are overloaded and just don't play well in this game in current season or even seasons within 10 years of starting if you sim. Have to go 15 out and then edit your draft classes heavily year after year until that point.

Only then do you truly get great results in my opinion.

For me it is the only way of not getting a franchise overloaded with 90+ overall players.

[Orion]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

This is my personal "take"....

All of the 2020 rosters based on the SDS roster (including Ridin's as they do not touch SDSs' ratings) have issues. They are so heavily influenced by last year's HR-heavy stats (vs previous years - which relied a bit more evenly on 3 year splits), that hitting greatly outmans pitching. You just face too many mediocre pitchers that hang pitches left and right that get pummeled. Yes, you will still see some variety game-to-game, but not nearly as much.

You WILL see higher HR numbers and harder contact across the board with these rosters - regardless of sliders. These sliders are still ratings-focused and will work with the rosters, but does it reflect the kind of baseball you really want? The reason Bacon's roster stands out from this is because there is a better overall balance of hitting vs pitching. On the majority of Bacon's teams, number 3/4 starters have OVRs equivalent to number 1/2 starters on many of the "real" teams (and don't even get me started on the bullpens in SDS' roster). Sure, I've had crazy HR games with Bacon's roster (you saw one the other day on my stream), but I've had maybe 5 or 6 of those in 100+ games. I'm averaging 1.5 HRs per game as a team (which I'm good with) whereas some folks are seeing 2+ HRs per game with the SDS rosters.

People using these rosters have attempted to curb this by lowering the power sliders and/or timing, but they're not the issue. Exit velos are fine and timing is more about having appropriate camera angles and pitch speed offsets that challenge you (though timing can help a little). The issue is with pitching being too poor overall. Potentially, we could use different pitcher slider values to artificially augment them, but you'd move further away from a ratings-focused slider environment, which is antithetical to the central tenant of this setup.

So yes...I like Bacon's roster for a lot of reasons, but this is the big one.

Hey Josh. I've been using the roster you uploaded to the vault. Should I be concerned about prospects? I'm killing it with my Yankees (2.1) HR per game, but based off the player ratings I should be. The starting lineup have contact&power ratings vs righties of (72.8-76.20 and lefties (76.2-79.7).

I agree with the exit velo being fine with contact and power at default. The ratings are driving these numbers, which they should.

[Orion]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

I've been pondering about posting these because it's a bit time consuming. Any who, these are the team average ratings for the AL. Contact and power. I didn't do the NL. You'll notice quite a difference from team to team. These are from the roster Josh uploaded to the vault. If your struggling or doing well the ratings could and should be a factor.

Contact and Power.

.............vsR..............vsL..
BAL...(53.4-52.1)-(58.4-54.7)
BOS..(72.7-63.2)-(71.6-63.9)
NYY...(72.8-76.2)-(76.2-79.7)
TBY...(63.4-67.9)-(63.4-54.0)
TOR...(58.9-65.4-(56.3-66.2)
CWS..(68.8-67.1)-(71.9-63.0)
CLE...(66.1-66.6)-(70.9-61.9)
DET...(62.3-51.6)-(66.1-57.4)
KCR...(61.8-56.2)-(60.8-62.4)
MIN...(70.1-72.8)-(70.4-68.3)
LAA...(71.0-66.6)-(64.1-66.2)
A's....(61.4-68.3)-(58.7-66.4)
SEA...(54.2-55.7)-(57.8-57.4)
TEX...(56.3-65.2)-(56.9-57.2)
HOU...(74.8-65.4)-(73.7-61.7)

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Hey Josh. I've been using the roster you uploaded to the vault. Should I be concerned about prospects? I'm killing it with my Yankees (2.1) HR per game, but based off the player ratings I should be. The starting lineup have contact&power ratings vs righties of (72.8-76.20 and lefties (76.2-79.7).

I agree with the exit velo being fine with contact and power at default. The ratings are driving these numbers, which they should.

I agree that power ratings are part of the equation, but it's not the whole picture.

Comparing the SDS roster for 2020 to Bacon's roster, there are nearly half the number of pitchers over an 80 overall. Many pitching staffs don't have a single one.

This is where it gets dicey. Guys around an 80 OVR are usually decent enough; they'll get hammered here and there, but they're otherwise ok. As you near the low to mid 70s, it gets ugly quickly. Sure, there will be good games, but their ratings don't allow for enough consistency to avoid those big blowups - they can and will hang a lot of pitches and with the perfect/perfect system in-place, it gets bad very quickly. (As an aside, don't discount the number of players with high red hot zones...hot zones are supremely impactful on exit velos).

As another aside, the 2019 SDS rosters (opening day version) are much closer to Bacon's than the 2020 SDS rosters.

Here's the good news - ratings WILL increase for pitchers eventually, the deeper you get, those big HR numbers will begin to tail downward. Based on some sims I've done, ratings will go up pretty uniformly (between hitters/pitchers) for the first 10-12 years, but will begin to normalize by year 15. Bacon's rosters just get us closer to that more normalized state a bit sooner.

[GoBlue81188]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Have to share this!

In early June my Tigers lost power hitting 3B Jaylen Pain to a bean ball against Houston (fractured forearm), and he was on the shelf for almost 3 months.

Well, guess who popped onto my late August schedule... JUST in time for Jaylen to return off the IL? Thats right, the dreaded Astros!

After splitting the first two games of the series, we got up big in Game 3.
Pain stepped to the plate in the 5th when he checked a swing at an outside slider.
Trainers immediately came out as Pain again was clutching that right forearm.

Post game we received the death blow- he will be out another 2.5 months and miss the entire 2020 postseason. This deals the Tigers a massive blow- as we do not have anyone in the organization to fill in for Jaylen, especially against RHP.

Well, late last night another report came across the wire:
As was previously reported, Ethan Kintzler (MVP/Cy Young Candidate) was tabling any contract discussions until after this season ends.

Reports broke late last night that Kintzler was appalled with the Tiger organization's handling of his good friend Pain's injury- feeling Jaylen was rushed back to prove a point against those Astros (who we will likely see in October).

Kintzler's agent did not confirm or deny these reports, but did leave the parting comment "Things like this are why you'll likely be seeing Ethan in another uniform next year."

No response yet from the Detroit front office, but a real bombshell if this in fact was the final straw for Kintzler.

28 games remain before the postseason, stay tuned!

[RogueHominid]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 20 Sliders

Have to share this!

In early June my Tigers lost power hitting 3B Jaylen Pain to a bean ball against Houston (fractured forearm), and he was on the shelf for almost 3 months.

Well, guess who popped onto my late August schedule... JUST in time for Jaylen to return off the IL? Thats right, the dreaded Astros!

After splitting the first two games of the series, we got up big in Game 3.
Pain stepped to the plate in the 5th when he checked a swing at an outside slider.
Trainers immediately came out as Pain again was clutching that right forearm.

Post game we received the death blow- he will be out another 2.5 months and miss the entire 2020 postseason. This deals the Tigers a massive blow- as we do not have anyone in the organization to fill in for Jaylen, especially against RHP.

Well, late last night another report came across the wire:
As was previously reported, Ethan Kintzler (MVP/Cy Young Candidate) was tabling any contract discussions until after this season ends.

Reports broke late last night that Kintzler was appalled with the Tiger organization's handling of his good friend Pain's injury- feeling Jaylen was rushed back to prove a point against those Astros (who we will likely see in October).

Kintzler's agent did not confirm or deny these reports, but did leave the parting comment "Things like this are why you'll likely be seeing Ethan in another uniform next year."

No response yet from the Detroit front office, but a real bombshell if this in fact was the final straw for Kintzler.

28 games remain before the postseason, stay tuned!

This is a pretty engrossing narrative. Kintzler's reticence to re-sign puts a major monkey-wrench in the team's plans for long-term contention, I'd imagine, and sets up an interesting off-season.

The games have been a blast to watch, and oh, what a post-season run you're set up for this year!