JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

[Sportsfan28]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

How many games have you guys played? I’m getting all kinds of different scores in my games. 3-1, 8-6, 8-5, 4-2. Those were my last 4 games. I’ve played 40 regular season games.


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[TopSide83]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Yeah man, sounds like we're in the same boat here. I've taken the suggestion by Detroit Tigers to move pitching to HOF, and I've also adjusted both HUM/CPU solid hits to 5 and so we'll see how that pans out. In my first game at least, I'm finding that on HOF you realllllly have to play around with location and mixing pitch effort to strike out the CPU. I'm going to play around for the rest of the week and hopefully settle on something by Friday in time to start my Mariners franchise with OSFM!

This is my main gripe with HOF pitching. Most of the time it’s too hard to get the cpu to strikeout and on all star plus it’s too easy.

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Regarding the "lack of offense"....

How many of ya'll have played games in June/July after the weather has heated up (and balls start flying out)? How many of ya'll have played games at the end of a 14 game stretch with no off-day (and everyone is fatigued)? How many of ya'll have played vs weak pitchers who had to be brought up from the minors due to injury? How many of ya'll have played games where the opponent's lineup was nearly all on hot streaks?

If you're just playing a bunch of random games in April, you're getting a vision of how games look in what's probably the most pitching-friendly environment possible. But, franchise games aren't just played in April. That's the flaw in this sort of "testing". There are a ton of other factors that impact how the games play-out that I'd say that many of you have not accounted for.

Then we get folks using visual aids (contrary to the OP) adding to the feedback and suddenly the narrative of "easy pitching" and "weak offense" has taken off. Then we get other folks going off to try things antithetical to the OP (i.e. using HOF, for example) based on incredibly weak sample sizes. The one person that has seemingly stuck with things in a single franchise with one team (and is seeing the regression to the mean) isn't even using the exact OP. Sigh....ya'll know how to drive a "slider guy" crazy, LMAO.

Let me be clear, I am not upset, angry or anything like that. I AM a bit frustrated because feedback is all over the place based on incredibly uncertain and uncontrolled "testing". We'll just keep doing this all year if this keeps up so....I'll make a compromise with ya'll, but I need help from you all. Here's the proposal (and I am 100% taking a "project manager" approach here).

We all start our official franchises tonight using the OP (exactly as written) and don't look back (I have a roster up in the vault you all can download that heavily mutes prospect potentials if you're still looking for one). As a compromise to those whining about a "lack of offense", I'll make one change to start based on TC's suggestion. We'll increase solid hits back to default for both user and CPU (you can't offset sliders w/o major issues). It's a) in-line with the tenants of this thread and b) after trying it out in batting practice, I see where he's coming from on contact purity (I don't think the change will hold-up long-term, but I'm willing to do this).

In return, I'm asking that all of you use the exact OP as written (every setting, every slider) if you offer any feedback. No further 'rabbit hole' discussions of going to other difficulties, other slider setups, etc. We have to harmonize the basis of feedback or we aren't going to get anywhere.

"Like" this post if you agree and are willing to provide feedback using this approach.

[TopSide83]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Regarding the "lack of offense"....

How many of ya'll have played games in June/July after the weather has heated up (and balls start flying out)? How many of ya'll have played games at the end of a 14 game stretch with no off-day (and everyone is fatigued)? How many of ya'll have played vs weak pitchers who had to be brought up from the minors due to injury? How many of ya'll have played games where the opponent's lineup was nearly all on hot streaks?

If you're just playing a bunch of random games in April, you're getting a vision of how games look in what's probably the most pitching-friendly environment possible. But, franchise games aren't just played in April. That's the flaw in this sort of "testing". There are a ton of other factors that impact how the games play-out that I'd say that many of you have not accounted for.

Then we get folks using visual aids (contrary to the OP) adding to the feedback and suddenly the narrative of "easy pitching" and "weak offense" has taken off. Then we get other folks going off to try things antithetical to the OP (i.e. using HOF, for example) based on incredibly weak sample sizes. The one person that has seemingly stuck with things in a single franchise with one team (and is seeing the regression to the mean) isn't even using the exact OP. Sigh....ya'll know how to drive a "slider guy" crazy, LMAO.

Let me be clear, I am not upset, angry or anything like that. I AM a bit frustrated because feedback is all over the place based on incredibly uncertain and uncontrolled "testing". We'll just keep doing this all year if this keeps up so....I'll make a compromise with ya'll, but I need help from you all. Here's the proposal (and I am 100% taking a "project manager" approach here).

We all start our official franchises tonight using the OP (exactly as written) and don't look back (I have a roster up in the vault you all can download that heavily mutes prospect potentials if you're still looking for one). As a compromise to those whining about a "lack of offense", I'll make one change to start based on TC's suggestion. We'll increase solid hits back to default for both user and CPU (you can't offset sliders w/o major issues). It's a) in-line with the tenants of this thread and b) after trying it out in batting practice, I see where he's coming from on contact purity (I don't think the change will hold-up long-term, but I'm willing to do this).

In return, I'm asking that all of you use the exact OP as written (every setting, every slider) if you offer any feedback. No further 'rabbit hole' discussions of going to other difficulties, other slider setups, etc. We have to harmonize the basis of feedback or we aren't going to get anywhere.

"Like" this post if you agree and are willing to provide feedback using this approach.

I’d like to continue to give my feedback Josh because I’m testing the heck out of your slider setup because I’ve always had a ton of respect for your vision. I’ll always tell you what I’m seeing because I can get 2-3 games in a day after work if I’m not busy.

[ILLICIT206]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Regarding the "lack of offense"....

How many of ya'll have played games in June/July after the weather has heated up (and balls start flying out)? How many of ya'll have played games at the end of a 14 game stretch with no off-day (and everyone is fatigued)? How many of ya'll have played vs weak pitchers who had to be brought up from the minors due to injury? How many of ya'll have played games where the opponent's lineup was nearly all on hot streaks?

If you're just playing a bunch of random games in April, you're getting a vision of how games look in what's probably the most pitching-friendly environment possible. But, franchise games aren't just played in April. That's the flaw in this sort of "testing". There are a ton of other factors that impact how the games play-out that I'd say that many of you have not accounted for.

Then we get folks using visual aids (contrary to the OP) adding to the feedback and suddenly the narrative of "easy pitching" and "weak offense" has taken off. Then we get other folks going off to try things antithetical to the OP (i.e. using HOF, for example) based on incredibly weak sample sizes. The one person that has seemingly stuck with things in a single franchise with one team (and is seeing the regression to the mean) isn't even using the exact OP. Sigh....ya'll know how to drive a "slider guy" crazy, LMAO.

Let me be clear, I am not upset, angry or anything like that. I AM a bit frustrated because feedback is all over the place based on incredibly uncertain and uncontrolled "testing". We'll just keep doing this all year if this keeps up so....I'll make a compromise with ya'll, but I need help from you all. Here's the proposal (and I am 100% taking a "project manager" approach here).

We all start our official franchises tonight using the OP (exactly as written) and don't look back (I have a roster up in the vault you all can download that heavily mutes prospect potentials if you're still looking for one). As a compromise to those whining about a "lack of offense", I'll make one change to start based on TC's suggestion. We'll increase solid hits back to default for both user and CPU (you can't offset sliders w/o major issues). It's a) in-line with the tenants of this thread and b) after trying it out in batting practice, I see where he's coming from on contact purity (I don't think the change will hold-up long-term, but I'm willing to do this).

In return, I'm asking that all of you use the exact OP as written (every setting, every slider) if you offer any feedback. No further 'rabbit hole' discussions of going to other difficulties, other slider setups, etc. We have to harmonize the basis of feedback or we aren't going to get anywhere.

"Like" this post if you agree and are willing to provide feedback using this approach.

BET! For the record, I don't come in this thread to bash your sliders or anything, I think they're dope! I'm just having such a hard time finding the sweet spot where pitching isn't too easy or too hard, BUT I'm going to strip everything back and do exactly as you do and give it a go. I appreciate your work my dude.

[TopSide83]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Hitting has been the least of my problems so for those of you struggling, try to have the FB and OS pitch the same with a better camera angle. That’s the most important thing when it comes to hitting. I myself use wide and love it with 8-8 speeds. Everything else is Josh’s OP sliders. I’ve had no problems with hitting or drawing walks. My main gripe is I want more of a challenge for the cpu hitters.

[Doyoueven85]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

“In return, I'm asking that all of you use the exact OP as written (every setting, every slider) if you offer any feedback. No further 'rabbit hole' discussions of going to other difficulties, other slider setups, etc. We have to harmonize the basis of feedback or we aren't going to get anywhere.”

So just to confirm the solid hits are moving to five. I also noticed that the pitch speed is evened out to 7/7

[TopSide83]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

“In return, I'm asking that all of you use the exact OP as written (every setting, every slider) if you offer any feedback. No further 'rabbit hole' discussions of going to other difficulties, other slider setups, etc. We have to harmonize the basis of feedback or we aren't going to get anywhere.”

So just to confirm the solid hits are moving to five. I also noticed that the pitch speed is evened out to 7/7

Solid hits is at 4

[bryanm1982]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Solid hits is at 4

Josh said he is raising both solid hits to 5 as a compromise if we follow the rest of the settings. He must not have updated the OP with this yet.

Pitch speeds are exempt I believe as that is user preference.

[TopSide83]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

Josh said he is raising both solid hits to 5 as a compromise if we follow the rest of the settings. He must not have updated the OP with this yet.

Pitch speeds are exempt I believe as that is user preference.

Oh ok I must’ve overlooked that

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

So just to confirm the solid hits are moving to five. I also noticed that the pitch speed is evened out to 7/7

I will if I there is enough support because we need more sample size than one person can generate and I need people aligned.


(Pitch speeds are always personal pref...I just keep the OP updated with what I am using)

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

So, I've updated the OP to revert solid hits to default. Enough of you core guys that have been providing feedback have already indicated your interest and I'm sure most folks will be of the same mindset. I appreciate it guys!

I'm going to ask for a couple of things with respect to feedback.

1. Don't give me stats. Paint a picture of what you're seeing out there. Are you suddenly seeing hard hit balls straight to defenders all the time? Are you seeing too many hard hit balls period? Are you still seeing good hit variety. Are you seeing changes in tendencies by CPU pitchers or batters that have deleterious impacts? Are you seeing an increase in "weird" fielding animations? Those are the types of things I look for; stats lie, observations do not.

2. Please indicate which team you're using when providing feedback. It will take me a while to learn who is doing a franchise with which team. Specific player names may also be helpful so I can call-up the ratings to see if I agree if something does or does not make sense ratings-wise.

3. Please avoid ambiguous statements like "too easy" or "too hard". I'll immediately ignore those types of posts.

4. And I'll say it one more time, please follow the OP settings/sliders as written so we can get standardized observations.

5. Have fun! Don't play when you're frustrated; just enjoy the game and play as many games as you can.

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

So, I've updated the OP to revert solid hits to default. Enough of you core guys that have been providing feedback have already indicated your interest and I'm sure most folks will be of the same mindset. I appreciate it guys!

I'm going to ask for a couple of things with respect to feedback.

1. Don't give me stats. Paint a picture of what you're seeing out there. Are you suddenly seeing hard hit balls straight to defenders all the time? Are you seeing too many hard hit balls period? Are you still seeing good hit variety. Are you seeing changes in tendencies by CPU pitchers or batters that have deleterious impacts? Are you seeing an increase in "weird" fielding animations? Those are the types of things I look for; stats lie, observations do not.

2. Please indicate which team you're using when providing feedback. It will take me a while to learn who is doing a franchise with which team. Specific player names may also be helpful so I can call-up the ratings to see if I agree if something does or does not make sense ratings-wise.

3. Please avoid ambiguous statements like "too easy" or "too hard". I'll immediately ignore those types of posts.

4. And I'll say it one more time, please follow the OP settings/sliders as written so we can get standardized observations.

5. Have fun! Don't play when you're frustrated; just enjoy the game and play as many games as you can.

I have been using the exact sliders for pitching that you initially reccomended. CPU solid hits at 4 and foul freq at 6.

I am absolutely loving these over a full season and things are evening out naturally. Should I change them to your new settings? I really like the old ones you had for pitching

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

I have been using the exact sliders for pitching that you initially reccomended. CPU solid hits at 4 and foul freq at 6.

I am absolutely loving these over a full season and things are evening out naturally. Should I change them to your new settings? I really like the old ones you had for pitching

If you're enjoying yourself, stick with it man. You can ALWAYS switch over at a later time (after we've given it a good run). Just bear in mind that I can't really accept feedback just because we won't be using the same setup (apples to oranges).

But this happens to a lot of people, they fall in love with a setup and a thread might shift in a different direction. The worst thing you can do though is to ditch something you're really enjoying just because other people are doing something different.

As you gain more and more sample size, your opinion may change and you may decide you need something different. At that juncture; you can definitely dive into whatever we're working on and keep on trucking.

[Friar Fanatic]

Re: JoshC1977's "Maximize Player Ratings" MLB 21 Sliders

If you're enjoying yourself, stick with it man. You can ALWAYS switch over at a later time (after we've given it a good run). Just bear in mind that I can't really accept feedback just because we won't be using the same setup (apples to oranges).

But this happens to a lot of people, they fall in love with a setup and a thread might shift in a different direction. The worst thing you can do though is to ditch something you're really enjoying just because other people are doing something different.

As you gain more and more sample size, your opinion may change and you may decide you need something different. At that juncture; you can definitely dive into whatever we're working on and keep on trucking.

Cool. Then I just have to say I think others need to give it a much bigger sample size before asking you to change.

If you remember, I was having extremely high K/9s and low BB/9s but over the course of 3/4 of a season they evened out to numbers similar to their career mumbers.

Im not saying to not adjust your sliders, but rather people need to give it more than 60 games in my opinion. Thats all I will say, but I am loving the OG sliders for pitching. Maybe I will practice hitting amd give it a shot next year lol.

Thanks again, keep up the hard work!