Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

**lnin0** · 02-24-2004, 10:03 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-24-2004, 10:30 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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lnin0 said:
JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

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Nice post man.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-24-2004, 10:30 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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lnin0 said:
JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

<hr /></blockquote>

Nice post man.

**GTheorenHobbes** · 02-24-2004, 10:30 PM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
lnin0 said:
JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

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Nice post man.

**JRod** · 02-25-2004, 12:04 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
lnin0 said:
JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

<hr /></blockquote>

It all comes down to this, MVP is saying they offer more new features than ASB. My impression from ASB is that this is a refinement year. That's great but when you competitor is going balls to the wall of features you are going to look like you are standing still. That alone makes MVP have a big question mark. We don't know if MVP can pull it off. But from the indications from the OS'ers that have played the game it sure seems like they have. ASB might have made great strides in gameplay but again that doesn't have anything to do with pre-release hype. Right now MVP has had to make the most improvements and that makes ASB look like they made small improvements, that is was is holding back ASB right now.

About the fielder cam, I never said I think this is going to be a bad feature, it's just not a feature that will sell many games. To answer you question because baseball is probably 80% the interaction between the batter and the pitcher. What do I do when there's a homer, great I sit and watch. Okay what happens on a bang bang play if I'm the OF and it's just a routine double. Great I sit and watch. Fielding in baseball is a seconday action to pitching and batting. Now if ASB had something like a batter's eye cam that would be something that would sell. Now compare a camera view with say the minors. Both have never been implemented in any shape on the PS2 or MVP. What is the average gamer going to be more excited about. Remeber that most of us here aren't the average gamer. The majority are going to get all hot and bothered by the fact that real minor league teams or in the game. Why heck I don't know, we are all lemmings I guess. Minor Leagues is a big draw, it might just be we are playing MLB teams with a different logo but minor leagues is something that sells a game (if MVP plays like donkey doodie you won't care what teams or in there). And Fielding cam if done correctly will make you play ASB longer but not bring in the customers.

EA Sports is ran by a bunch of dummies. They sometimes get it that good games will sell more thus resulting in more money. And sometimes when they have a bad game that just tell their marketing department to pick up the slack. This company knows how to sell a game. I'm just a smoe that likes gaming. I'm not defending them or saying ASB is a bad game, they just know what sells and they put that in their game. And remember features that sell a game doesn't always make that game great to play.

And you are right, I like the fact that I have choices. This year I will buy one and rent the rest. And that could be ASB, WSB, MVP or even MLB. I have choiced and couldnt be happier.

**JRod** · 02-25-2004, 12:04 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
lnin0 said:
JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

<hr /></blockquote>

It all comes down to this, MVP is saying they offer more new features than ASB. My impression from ASB is that this is a refinement year. That's great but when you competitor is going balls to the wall of features you are going to look like you are standing still. That alone makes MVP have a big question mark. We don't know if MVP can pull it off. But from the indications from the OS'ers that have played the game it sure seems like they have. ASB might have made great strides in gameplay but again that doesn't have anything to do with pre-release hype. Right now MVP has had to make the most improvements and that makes ASB look like they made small improvements, that is was is holding back ASB right now.

About the fielder cam, I never said I think this is going to be a bad feature, it's just not a feature that will sell many games. To answer you question because baseball is probably 80% the interaction between the batter and the pitcher. What do I do when there's a homer, great I sit and watch. Okay what happens on a bang bang play if I'm the OF and it's just a routine double. Great I sit and watch. Fielding in baseball is a seconday action to pitching and batting. Now if ASB had something like a batter's eye cam that would be something that would sell. Now compare a camera view with say the minors. Both have never been implemented in any shape on the PS2 or MVP. What is the average gamer going to be more excited about. Remeber that most of us here aren't the average gamer. The majority are going to get all hot and bothered by the fact that real minor league teams or in the game. Why heck I don't know, we are all lemmings I guess. Minor Leagues is a big draw, it might just be we are playing MLB teams with a different logo but minor leagues is something that sells a game (if MVP plays like donkey doodie you won't care what teams or in there). And Fielding cam if done correctly will make you play ASB longer but not bring in the customers.

EA Sports is ran by a bunch of dummies. They sometimes get it that good games will sell more thus resulting in more money. And sometimes when they have a bad game that just tell their marketing department to pick up the slack. This company knows how to sell a game. I'm just a smoe that likes gaming. I'm not defending them or saying ASB is a bad game, they just know what sells and they put that in their game. And remember features that sell a game doesn't always make that game great to play.

And you are right, I like the fact that I have choices. This year I will buy one and rent the rest. And that could be ASB, WSB, MVP or even MLB. I have choiced and couldnt be happier.

**JRod** · 02-25-2004, 12:04 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
lnin0 said:
JRod - why do you discount "Fielder Cam" as nothing to get excited about yet MVP's timed batting (aka 'pure swing'), diving with the right stick instead of a button, or playing a major league game (engine) dressed in minor league uniform is some great stride?

I think of all this years innovations, asb's fielder cam looks the most promising and will do for fielding what MVP's pitching meter did for pitching (which I remember a lot of people dis'ing last year becaue it looks like Tiger Woods on the mound). Anyway, 1st person looks similarly big but it is an all or nothing approach (if like Football) and I just don't think the idea is mature enough to do it all in 1st person...but I could be wrong.

Also if you already have a solid game then tweaking can often times bring it to the next level. You don't have to throw in stuff you already have (front office, manager mode, cooperstown, minor leagues or something equally 'innovative') every year if what you have is already solid - just looks what tweaking and polish did for ESPN Football.

Anyway, it is this competition that builds stronger games from all developers so Im not complaining we have five baseball games. I could care less what game everyone chooses to buy. I just wish more people would be more open minded about this kind of stuff because in the long run those games that survive might not neccisarily do so because they are the 'best' games out there (see High Heat).

asianflow has the right idea but unfortunatly minds will be made up and preorders placed before the games even hit blockbuster to try.

<hr /></blockquote>

It all comes down to this, MVP is saying they offer more new features than ASB. My impression from ASB is that this is a refinement year. That's great but when you competitor is going balls to the wall of features you are going to look like you are standing still. That alone makes MVP have a big question mark. We don't know if MVP can pull it off. But from the indications from the OS'ers that have played the game it sure seems like they have. ASB might have made great strides in gameplay but again that doesn't have anything to do with pre-release hype. Right now MVP has had to make the most improvements and that makes ASB look like they made small improvements, that is was is holding back ASB right now.

About the fielder cam, I never said I think this is going to be a bad feature, it's just not a feature that will sell many games. To answer you question because baseball is probably 80% the interaction between the batter and the pitcher. What do I do when there's a homer, great I sit and watch. Okay what happens on a bang bang play if I'm the OF and it's just a routine double. Great I sit and watch. Fielding in baseball is a seconday action to pitching and batting. Now if ASB had something like a batter's eye cam that would be something that would sell. Now compare a camera view with say the minors. Both have never been implemented in any shape on the PS2 or MVP. What is the average gamer going to be more excited about. Remeber that most of us here aren't the average gamer. The majority are going to get all hot and bothered by the fact that real minor league teams or in the game. Why heck I don't know, we are all lemmings I guess. Minor Leagues is a big draw, it might just be we are playing MLB teams with a different logo but minor leagues is something that sells a game (if MVP plays like donkey doodie you won't care what teams or in there). And Fielding cam if done correctly will make you play ASB longer but not bring in the customers.

EA Sports is ran by a bunch of dummies. They sometimes get it that good games will sell more thus resulting in more money. And sometimes when they have a bad game that just tell their marketing department to pick up the slack. This company knows how to sell a game. I'm just a smoe that likes gaming. I'm not defending them or saying ASB is a bad game, they just know what sells and they put that in their game. And remember features that sell a game doesn't always make that game great to play.

And you are right, I like the fact that I have choices. This year I will buy one and rent the rest. And that could be ASB, WSB, MVP or even MLB. I have choiced and couldnt be happier.

**TXBginz** · 02-25-2004, 02:13 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

Dude the Fielder Cam looks totally tits. Moving around the right thumb stick to view third base as the center fielder gets ready for a balls-out throw to 3rd base to cut down a runner sure sounds cool to me. I am glad they are allowing users to invert the face buttons to mimmick the diamond from a reverse angle.

I dunno what more you could ask for...the movies prove it to be the real deal.

ginz

**TXBginz** · 02-25-2004, 02:13 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

Dude the Fielder Cam looks totally tits. Moving around the right thumb stick to view third base as the center fielder gets ready for a balls-out throw to 3rd base to cut down a runner sure sounds cool to me. I am glad they are allowing users to invert the face buttons to mimmick the diamond from a reverse angle.

I dunno what more you could ask for...the movies prove it to be the real deal.

ginz

**TXBginz** · 02-25-2004, 02:13 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

Dude the Fielder Cam looks totally tits. Moving around the right thumb stick to view third base as the center fielder gets ready for a balls-out throw to 3rd base to cut down a runner sure sounds cool to me. I am glad they are allowing users to invert the face buttons to mimmick the diamond from a reverse angle.

I dunno what more you could ask for...the movies prove it to be the real deal.

ginz

**HMcCoy** · 02-25-2004, 02:20 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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JRod said:
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GTheorenHobbes said:
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JRod said:
MVP is getting more press because it has added so many never before seen features in the game.
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Now from ASB standpoint. I can't tell you off the top of my head why they have done different from last year.

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C'mon Jrod. You don't actually believe these things you just said, do you? Maybe you do. In which case, the MVP hype machine may be worth every penny that has been spent by EA marketing.

I'm looking forward to MVP, but to say that it has "added so many never before features in the game," while ASB and others have stood still, is speaking with blinders on IMHO.

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Okay this is from the fact sheet feature list from OS and the acclaim website. MVP is from OS

- New fielding game.
- Analog-control batting
- online head-to-head
- exclusive TWIB features
- Deepest franchise mode
- Two-Man commentary
- Tutorial from Steve Lyons
- Create a player
- Over 80 fully animated stadium
- Most realisic baseball experience

Now MVP ( I had to selectively edit from the paragraphs included.
- EA Sports Pureswing system
- Big Play Control
- Franchise mode with team chemistry, club goals etc.
- Manager Mode
- Cooperstown collection
- The minors
- Pick you park - some stadium feature
- EA Sports nation - online PS2 play.

So what has ASB done above that of MVP.

Franchse - both state they have improved this area and it's pretty deep.
Gameplay - both say they have the most realistic and fun gameplay on the market
Stadium - ASB wins this year even though most of those stadiums are fantasy expansion ones. Anyway I don't know if you would call this a game seller
Online Play - Well just depends on what console you own. This is a game seller no doubt and if you have an Xbox and want online play MVP is not a choice.
Manager Mode - ASB has this is some fashion but MVP is marketing it.
Cooperstown Collection - ASB heavily marketed this last year (still has it this yet), this year it's MVP.

Other than online play and a fielder cam there's not much that ASB has done other the tweak. And tweaking isn't going to cause as much hype and overhauling. MVP had the overhaul thing going but it also has added some features we haven't seen before or have been greatly enhanced. Minors, I was never able to play as a minor team before MVP. The sim out/in feautre. I would compare this equally with ASB's fielder cam. It's not going to sell many games but it's a nice feature.

So it seems that all the hype is being generated because MVP has seen the biggest overhaul of all the baseball games this year and that has peaked a lot of interest. And ASB sure sounds like it's more of the same. That's not bad but it's not going to generate a lot of hype.

This isn't a debate on what game is better, no one knows that. This is a debate on hype which ultimately leads to game sales. EA Sports is hyping up their game. Acclaim has made it sound like it's more of the same and fans of ASB will be pleased. Will ASB fans were going to buy the game anyway what has ASB done compared with MVP that is getting people on the fence to buy their game?

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I've tried to stay out of this one, but this here post almost made me choke on my midnight snack...

JROD YOU did the OS ASB review last season. ASB had a ton...a FREAKING TON of new features. Now, to be fair, you did go alot farther than most reviewers. You actually mentioned the new features. A whole sentence!

Props for that..

The rest of the review was why you hate icon batting, how this or that wasn't quite perfect blah, blah, blah... ripped the game to shreds. There were at least 9 or 10 completely unique, never-before-seen gameplay additions, not to mention a standard-setting franchise mode, but that didn't mean a hill of SH!T to you. You not only ripped it in in the review, you got on the board DAILY and consistently re-ripped it.

Now all of a sudden because MVP has a few nice additions (very nice, I may add) your stance is that the innovation is why its so great? Pardon me as I laugh hysterically at your hypocrisy...

Good one JROD...

The truth is that ASB was JUST. TOO. HARD. for alot of people.

If a game has poor graphics, you don't get angry.

if the franchise is underwhelming you don't get angry.

if the rosters aren't perfect or the animations are a little off you arent THAT angry.

But when a game has you feeling frustrated and inept because of the difficulty, when you're ready too throw your controller across the room. Thats anger. That causes you to not only dislike a game, but to DESPISE a game. You DESPISE this game, and judge it accordingly. Simple fact. Please save the "they only tweaked it, ummmm thats why I don't like it" spiel, and don't mince words..Your review, though well-written, basically said that you do not like All-Star Baseball. The sad part is, you seem like an intelligent, avid basball gamer. ASB is MADE for guys like you. Had flaws? Hell yeah. Still the most realistic? Hell yeah. Go figure.

And on another note, 99.9% of the people who "mastered" ASB were not playing it at its peak difficulty. Exxagerated pitches were a crutch, as was the zone hitting. No points for getting good w/ either feature. Unless you mastered the game with NORMAL pitching, icon hitting, no strike-zone, and on All-Star...You didn't play the game at its hardest, and I only remember ONE guy on these forums that said he mastered it playing like that.

**HMcCoy** · 02-25-2004, 02:20 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
JRod said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
GTheorenHobbes said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
JRod said:
MVP is getting more press because it has added so many never before seen features in the game.
***
Now from ASB standpoint. I can't tell you off the top of my head why they have done different from last year.

<hr /></blockquote>

C'mon Jrod. You don't actually believe these things you just said, do you? Maybe you do. In which case, the MVP hype machine may be worth every penny that has been spent by EA marketing.

I'm looking forward to MVP, but to say that it has "added so many never before features in the game," while ASB and others have stood still, is speaking with blinders on IMHO.

<hr /></blockquote>

Okay this is from the fact sheet feature list from OS and the acclaim website. MVP is from OS

- New fielding game.
- Analog-control batting
- online head-to-head
- exclusive TWIB features
- Deepest franchise mode
- Two-Man commentary
- Tutorial from Steve Lyons
- Create a player
- Over 80 fully animated stadium
- Most realisic baseball experience

Now MVP ( I had to selectively edit from the paragraphs included.
- EA Sports Pureswing system
- Big Play Control
- Franchise mode with team chemistry, club goals etc.
- Manager Mode
- Cooperstown collection
- The minors
- Pick you park - some stadium feature
- EA Sports nation - online PS2 play.

So what has ASB done above that of MVP.

Franchse - both state they have improved this area and it's pretty deep.
Gameplay - both say they have the most realistic and fun gameplay on the market
Stadium - ASB wins this year even though most of those stadiums are fantasy expansion ones. Anyway I don't know if you would call this a game seller
Online Play - Well just depends on what console you own. This is a game seller no doubt and if you have an Xbox and want online play MVP is not a choice.
Manager Mode - ASB has this is some fashion but MVP is marketing it.
Cooperstown Collection - ASB heavily marketed this last year (still has it this yet), this year it's MVP.

Other than online play and a fielder cam there's not much that ASB has done other the tweak. And tweaking isn't going to cause as much hype and overhauling. MVP had the overhaul thing going but it also has added some features we haven't seen before or have been greatly enhanced. Minors, I was never able to play as a minor team before MVP. The sim out/in feautre. I would compare this equally with ASB's fielder cam. It's not going to sell many games but it's a nice feature.

So it seems that all the hype is being generated because MVP has seen the biggest overhaul of all the baseball games this year and that has peaked a lot of interest. And ASB sure sounds like it's more of the same. That's not bad but it's not going to generate a lot of hype.

This isn't a debate on what game is better, no one knows that. This is a debate on hype which ultimately leads to game sales. EA Sports is hyping up their game. Acclaim has made it sound like it's more of the same and fans of ASB will be pleased. Will ASB fans were going to buy the game anyway what has ASB done compared with MVP that is getting people on the fence to buy their game?

<hr /></blockquote>

I've tried to stay out of this one, but this here post almost made me choke on my midnight snack...

JROD YOU did the OS ASB review last season. ASB had a ton...a FREAKING TON of new features. Now, to be fair, you did go alot farther than most reviewers. You actually mentioned the new features. A whole sentence!

Props for that..

The rest of the review was why you hate icon batting, how this or that wasn't quite perfect blah, blah, blah... ripped the game to shreds. There were at least 9 or 10 completely unique, never-before-seen gameplay additions, not to mention a standard-setting franchise mode, but that didn't mean a hill of SH!T to you. You not only ripped it in in the review, you got on the board DAILY and consistently re-ripped it.

Now all of a sudden because MVP has a few nice additions (very nice, I may add) your stance is that the innovation is why its so great? Pardon me as I laugh hysterically at your hypocrisy...

Good one JROD...

The truth is that ASB was JUST. TOO. HARD. for alot of people.

If a game has poor graphics, you don't get angry.

if the franchise is underwhelming you don't get angry.

if the rosters aren't perfect or the animations are a little off you arent THAT angry.

But when a game has you feeling frustrated and inept because of the difficulty, when you're ready too throw your controller across the room. Thats anger. That causes you to not only dislike a game, but to DESPISE a game. You DESPISE this game, and judge it accordingly. Simple fact. Please save the "they only tweaked it, ummmm thats why I don't like it" spiel, and don't mince words..Your review, though well-written, basically said that you do not like All-Star Baseball. The sad part is, you seem like an intelligent, avid basball gamer. ASB is MADE for guys like you. Had flaws? Hell yeah. Still the most realistic? Hell yeah. Go figure.

And on another note, 99.9% of the people who "mastered" ASB were not playing it at its peak difficulty. Exxagerated pitches were a crutch, as was the zone hitting. No points for getting good w/ either feature. Unless you mastered the game with NORMAL pitching, icon hitting, no strike-zone, and on All-Star...You didn't play the game at its hardest, and I only remember ONE guy on these forums that said he mastered it playing like that.

**HMcCoy** · 02-25-2004, 02:20 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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JRod said:
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GTheorenHobbes said:
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JRod said:
MVP is getting more press because it has added so many never before seen features in the game.
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Now from ASB standpoint. I can't tell you off the top of my head why they have done different from last year.

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C'mon Jrod. You don't actually believe these things you just said, do you? Maybe you do. In which case, the MVP hype machine may be worth every penny that has been spent by EA marketing.

I'm looking forward to MVP, but to say that it has "added so many never before features in the game," while ASB and others have stood still, is speaking with blinders on IMHO.

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Okay this is from the fact sheet feature list from OS and the acclaim website. MVP is from OS

- New fielding game.
- Analog-control batting
- online head-to-head
- exclusive TWIB features
- Deepest franchise mode
- Two-Man commentary
- Tutorial from Steve Lyons
- Create a player
- Over 80 fully animated stadium
- Most realisic baseball experience

Now MVP ( I had to selectively edit from the paragraphs included.
- EA Sports Pureswing system
- Big Play Control
- Franchise mode with team chemistry, club goals etc.
- Manager Mode
- Cooperstown collection
- The minors
- Pick you park - some stadium feature
- EA Sports nation - online PS2 play.

So what has ASB done above that of MVP.

Franchse - both state they have improved this area and it's pretty deep.
Gameplay - both say they have the most realistic and fun gameplay on the market
Stadium - ASB wins this year even though most of those stadiums are fantasy expansion ones. Anyway I don't know if you would call this a game seller
Online Play - Well just depends on what console you own. This is a game seller no doubt and if you have an Xbox and want online play MVP is not a choice.
Manager Mode - ASB has this is some fashion but MVP is marketing it.
Cooperstown Collection - ASB heavily marketed this last year (still has it this yet), this year it's MVP.

Other than online play and a fielder cam there's not much that ASB has done other the tweak. And tweaking isn't going to cause as much hype and overhauling. MVP had the overhaul thing going but it also has added some features we haven't seen before or have been greatly enhanced. Minors, I was never able to play as a minor team before MVP. The sim out/in feautre. I would compare this equally with ASB's fielder cam. It's not going to sell many games but it's a nice feature.

So it seems that all the hype is being generated because MVP has seen the biggest overhaul of all the baseball games this year and that has peaked a lot of interest. And ASB sure sounds like it's more of the same. That's not bad but it's not going to generate a lot of hype.

This isn't a debate on what game is better, no one knows that. This is a debate on hype which ultimately leads to game sales. EA Sports is hyping up their game. Acclaim has made it sound like it's more of the same and fans of ASB will be pleased. Will ASB fans were going to buy the game anyway what has ASB done compared with MVP that is getting people on the fence to buy their game?

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I've tried to stay out of this one, but this here post almost made me choke on my midnight snack...

JROD YOU did the OS ASB review last season. ASB had a ton...a FREAKING TON of new features. Now, to be fair, you did go alot farther than most reviewers. You actually mentioned the new features. A whole sentence!

Props for that..

The rest of the review was why you hate icon batting, how this or that wasn't quite perfect blah, blah, blah... ripped the game to shreds. There were at least 9 or 10 completely unique, never-before-seen gameplay additions, not to mention a standard-setting franchise mode, but that didn't mean a hill of SH!T to you. You not only ripped it in in the review, you got on the board DAILY and consistently re-ripped it.

Now all of a sudden because MVP has a few nice additions (very nice, I may add) your stance is that the innovation is why its so great? Pardon me as I laugh hysterically at your hypocrisy...

Good one JROD...

The truth is that ASB was JUST. TOO. HARD. for alot of people.

If a game has poor graphics, you don't get angry.

if the franchise is underwhelming you don't get angry.

if the rosters aren't perfect or the animations are a little off you arent THAT angry.

But when a game has you feeling frustrated and inept because of the difficulty, when you're ready too throw your controller across the room. Thats anger. That causes you to not only dislike a game, but to DESPISE a game. You DESPISE this game, and judge it accordingly. Simple fact. Please save the "they only tweaked it, ummmm thats why I don't like it" spiel, and don't mince words..Your review, though well-written, basically said that you do not like All-Star Baseball. The sad part is, you seem like an intelligent, avid basball gamer. ASB is MADE for guys like you. Had flaws? Hell yeah. Still the most realistic? Hell yeah. Go figure.

And on another note, 99.9% of the people who "mastered" ASB were not playing it at its peak difficulty. Exxagerated pitches were a crutch, as was the zone hitting. No points for getting good w/ either feature. Unless you mastered the game with NORMAL pitching, icon hitting, no strike-zone, and on All-Star...You didn't play the game at its hardest, and I only remember ONE guy on these forums that said he mastered it playing like that.

**JRod** · 02-25-2004, 02:20 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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TXBginz said:
Dude the Fielder Cam looks totally tits. Moving around the right thumb stick to view third base as the center fielder gets ready for a all-balls-out throw to 3rd base to cut down a runner sure sounds cool to me. I am glad they are allowing users to invert the face buttons to mimmick the diamond from a reverse angle.

I dunno what more you could ask for...the movies prove it to be the real deal.

ginz

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Did I say it wasn't going to be good? Some of you guys need to read a bit. All i said was it's not going to put customers in their cars, go to the store and pay $50 bucks for ASB. FPF football was a good feature but it didn't put ESPN any where close to madden in terms of sales.

**JRod** · 02-25-2004, 02:20 AM

Re: Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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TXBginz said:
Dude the Fielder Cam looks totally tits. Moving around the right thumb stick to view third base as the center fielder gets ready for a all-balls-out throw to 3rd base to cut down a runner sure sounds cool to me. I am glad they are allowing users to invert the face buttons to mimmick the diamond from a reverse angle.

I dunno what more you could ask for...the movies prove it to be the real deal.

ginz

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Did I say it wasn't going to be good? Some of you guys need to read a bit. All i said was it's not going to put customers in their cars, go to the store and pay $50 bucks for ASB. FPF football was a good feature but it didn't put ESPN any where close to madden in terms of sales.

Still dunno why MVP is getting all the press.

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