AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

**zpq12** · 03-10-2009, 01:13 PM

Re: AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

Originally posted by Pared

Wow. Is this why people want individual presence from 2k here on the forums? So people can come off as complete jerks?

I think everyone's just really frustrated. I know I am. If we had some kind of answer, either way, I would deal.

**zpq12** · 03-10-2009, 01:14 PM

Re: AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

Originally posted by Qb

Let's please keep this on-topic. No need to harp on modding behavior at the 2K forums. Thanks...

I would be extremely disappointed if there isn't a patch to improve the AI hitting (and some other stuff). I've only played a few innings of the retail version, but my time with the demo and all the feedback from the community indicates that a patch is the only hope for this issue. Ideally, I'd like for them to add in the AI batting tendency sliders that were present in 2K8, as I was able to get acceptable ABs from the AI batters with them. The IE walks rating could also be a culprit, but even if that were to be fixed to positive effect, I'd still like to have tendency sliders to play with...

I think that if the IE worked correctly this wouldn't be a problem. I would certainly take the sliders though.

**Pared** · 03-10-2009, 01:16 PM

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I can understand the frustration. But basically hoping for individuals to lose their job? That's uncalled for.

Not what I would expect here at OS.

**The Gamer** · 03-10-2009, 01:30 PM

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Some people don't understand the circumstances behind some of the things they say. Especially wanting someone to lose their job, because you don't like a game. You could have rented the game and not purchased at all. Then it wouldn't be your concern.

**fistofrage** · 03-10-2009, 01:42 PM

Re: AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

Originally posted by Pared

I can understand the frustration. But basically hoping for individuals to lose their job? That's uncalled for.

Not what I would expect here at OS.

Who's asking for people to lose their job? I'd prefer they hire some people, maintain their forums properly, communicate with the public and release the best game possible.

But if they go on vacation, close threads, and not release patches like happened with Prizefighter, you see what happens. They closed the Venom studio who wrote/produced Prizefighter.

**Pared** · 03-10-2009, 01:45 PM

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Back peddle all you want. Making the comment "They'll be out of business soon enough" made your stance perfectly clear.

Then you try and make a post about how the game was Prizefighter, as if we should all go "oh, well it's ok then."

Classy.

Being frustrated with a video game doesn't give you free reign to be a jerk. But people can have their own opinions so say what you will.

**fistofrage** · 03-10-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Pared

Back peddle all you want. Making the comment "They'll be out of business soon enough" made your stance perfectly clear.

Then you try and make a post about how the game was Prizefighter, as if we should all go "oh, well it's ok then."

Classy.

Being frustrated with a video game doesn't give you free reign to be a jerk. But people can have their own opinions so say what you will.

Whatever man, I'm not willing them to go out of business. Only their actions can determine the long term stability of their company. And for a second time, I'm not wishing anyone lose their jobs. Like I said I'd just prefer they HIRE more people and get this done right and they can happily have my money.

Which is my take on any video game company, put out a quality game without bugs and I'll gladly give you $60. The time invested trying to make something broken play right, outweighs the actual cost of the game to me.

**hitstreak13** · 03-10-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

Whatever man, I'm not willing them to go out of business. Only their actions can determine the long term stability of their company. And for a second time, I'm not wishing anyone lose their jobs. Like I said I'd just prefer they HIRE more people and get this done right and they can happily have my money.

Which is my take on any video game company, put out a quality game without bugs and I'll gladly give you $60. The time invested trying to make something broken play right, outweighs the actual cost of the game to me.

No, you are right. Hell, I work for the Quakes and someone from sales wasn't meeting our expectations so we let him go (and yes, 2k is not meeting people's expectations).

Pared, you are a respected and well liked individial here, but I'm going to kindly disagree with you here. Some people "do" need to lose their jobs. Sometimes handing out the bus pass is the way to go (both for them and the company). Should they be jerks about it? Of course not, but some type of action needs to be taken. Good call fistofrage

**Pared** · 03-10-2009, 10:22 PM

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You can disagree. Like I said, some people realize we're on a video game message board. Wishing ill will on anyone is tasteless. Just the way I was raised. People can feel anyway they'd like. Just don't be surprised when people look at you and your comments in a different light from now on.

**SoxFan01605** · 03-10-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by hitstreak13

No, you are right. Hell, I work for the Quakes and someone from sales wasn't meeting our expectations so we let him go (and yes, 2k is not meeting people's expectations).

Pared, you are a respected and well liked individial here, but I'm going to kindly disagree with you here. Some people "do" need to lose their jobs. Sometimes handing out the bus pass is the way to go (both for them and the company). Should they be jerks about it? Of course not, but some type of action needs to be taken. Good call fistofrage

Well of course in some situations, people deserve to lose their jobs...doesn't mean it's something to hope for. That wasn't the point of contention though (unless I'm reading wrong).

Someone said something during a rant about the product in regards to 2K "being out of business soon enough" (along those lines at least).

That's a blanket statement that would cover even the people who DO do their jobs correctly. Not everyone at 2K is deserving of job loss because of a subpar game...lol.

Not saying that's what was meant, but was what could be implied with that statement...intentional or not. It was uncalled for and has nothing to do with anything other than someone's little rant at the time.

Again, not saying what was meant, just what could be inferred by someone....obviously so, since someone took notice

**hitstreak13** · 03-10-2009, 10:35 PM

Re: AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

Originally posted by SoxFan01605

Well of course in some situations, people deserve to lose their jobs...doesn't mean it's something to hope for. That wasn't the point of contention though (unless I'm reading wrong).

Someone said something during a rant about the product in regards to 2K "being out of business soon enough" (along those lines at least).

That's a blanket statement that would cover even the people who DO do their jobs correctly. Not everyone at 2K is deserving of job loss because of a subpar game...lol.

Not saying that's what was meant, but was what could be implied with that statement...intentional or not. It was uncalled for and has nothing to do with anything other than someone's little rant at the time.

Again, not saying what was meant, just what could be inferred by someone....obviously so, since someone took notice

Good call there. I didn't mean it that way (that people should lose their jobs). What I meant is that change does need to take place (whether firing someone or just changing policy). Yes, it is a video game and I understand that so I'm not going to wish ill will against someone because a game is not that great. But you have to understand that it is still a "product" so to speak.

Pared, I was raised with a strong foundation of ethics and integrity. I wouldn't be where I am today with a fine organization like the Quakes if I hadn't been raised that way. I do not wish for people to get fired at all so I think you went overboard with that last part of your comment. Now of course, your "Pared" so many may agree with you, but that was just a hasty remark by you.

SoxFan, thank you for clearing that up. I really didn't mean it like that. Really glad you were respectful about it. Peace man.

**arseniotall** · 03-10-2009, 10:44 PM

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... sooo tired of this crap.

**SoxFan01605** · 03-10-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by hitstreak13

SoxFan, thank you for clearing that up. I really didn't mean it like that. Really glad you were respectful about it. Peace man.

No prob

**fistofrage** · 03-10-2009, 11:07 PM

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For the final time, I'm not asking for people to lose their jobs.

"they'll be out of business soon enough" maybe was the wrong choice of words, but it no way was it calling for people's heads.

College Hoops...Disbanded because of lack of sales. Despite being the best basketball title on the market IMO.

Prize fighter....Never got off the ground, lousy support for the game post sale, Venom gts shutdown. Terrible sales. They never marketed that game correctly. There was a decent engine under the hood for a 1st attempt, but they failed to support it.

Glaring bug in this game and posts being closed on the 2K boards. Then Gamespot which the masses read to get their reviews gets a 4.5.

Thats what the comment was alluding to. I don't know their business model, but if hiring a few QC guys and some extra programmers would get them better reviews and consequently more sales, great, then HIRE some more people. A few extra people on task would seem that it could increase the products value expnentially.

So I am not sure where this was taken as fire everybody.

Do I want GM to fail? No, but years of sub par products and a bad business model has put them in a bad way. If I speculated that they would be out of business soon, thats not to be taken as ill will or fire everyone at GM. I want them to succeed and turn the economy around. The same way I want 2k to succeed. I want a great baseball game to play. I'll gladly hand them my money if they deliver the goods.

**roadman** · 03-11-2009, 10:08 AM

Re: AI "Hitting:" Inside Edge is BROKEN... (Reason AI is so Aggressive) Phot's inside

Originally posted by fistofrage

For the final time, I'm not asking for people to lose their jobs.

"they'll be out of business soon enough" maybe was the wrong choice of words, but it no way was it calling for people's heads.

College Hoops...Disbanded because of lack of sales. Despite being the best basketball title on the market IMO.

Prize fighter....Never got off the ground, lousy support for the game post sale, Venom gts shutdown. Terrible sales. They never marketed that game correctly. There was a decent engine under the hood for a 1st attempt, but they failed to support it.

Glaring bug in this game and posts being closed on the 2K boards. Then Gamespot which the masses read to get their reviews gets a 4.5.

Thats what the comment was alluding to. I don't know their business model, but if hiring a few QC guys and some extra programmers would get them better reviews and consequently more sales, great, then HIRE some more people. A few extra people on task would seem that it could increase the products value expnentially.

So I am not sure where this was taken as fire everybody.

Do I want GM to fail? No, but years of sub par products and a bad business model has put them in a bad way. If I speculated that they would be out of business soon, thats not to be taken as ill will or fire everyone at GM. I want them to succeed and turn the economy around. The same way I want 2k to succeed. I want a great baseball game to play. I'll gladly hand them my money if they deliver the goods.

College Hoops- College basketball association asked EA and 2k to reup for the collegiate license. EA approves, 2k doesn't. Now, maybe 2k decides that the cost of the license is cost prohibitive along with producing the game, don't you agree?

Prizefighter- Concede. Not into boxing games.

2k9- Glaring bug in the game. Don't you think 2k will patch the glaring bug to have repeat customers for next year? I don't know of a sport game on NG that doesn't require a patch these days.

Who really cares about the threads at 2k being closed. It's the mods decision, eventually. If it really bothers you, don't go there.

I don't really care about reading reviews on web sites. It's all totally subjective. I don't know the reviewer well enough to determine if they have a passion for playing sports games on a NG system. It's similar to going by a reviewer of a movie in the paper, oh, that movie has only 1 star, I better stay away from that movie. If I listened to reviewers all my life, I would have missed out on a lot of music and movies that I liked.

Also, do you really think a gaming coming will hire more people in this downtrodden economy when the buying power isn't as prevalent as it was a year ago? Probably not.

I did agree with a few lines in your last paragraph.

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