Official Barry Bonds Thread

[Brandon13]

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I know you're bitter, but where did 97 come from?

I believe Bonds allegedly began using Andro in 1998. So that would be the point at which he began to use performance enhancing drugs.

[NYJets]

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Finally!

Now Barry can go away, and the media can focus on something that actually matters.

[Cebby]

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Joeboo, Androstendion (sp I know I botched that up) was found in Mac's locker and not through snooping. Reporters saw it out there clear as day. Andro is banned in all major sports and the Olympics but at the time baseball didn't have a policy. I don't necessarily think Mac did roids (tho he most likely did it a lot with Canseco) but rather went a different route by that time in his career. (HGH and Andro)

There's a huge differance between Andro and steroids. Until about late 2004, you could walk into any GNC and buy as much Andro as you wanted.

[Scottdau]

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Where's the proof with Mac? He never tested positive and never admitted to it.

I do think he took them, but to be fair with your criteria, he hasn't been proven.

Oh yeah, still haven't seen 714 or 715 by Bonds. Don't care if I ever do... Tainted.

I think Mac took them! But roids is something that has been around for awhile!

[Scottdau]

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Same number of if's you have about Pujols not making it to 600. If he doesn't dominate at age 36, if he doesn't stay health, if his back problems arrive.

OK who do you think has the better odds me or you! 600 know matter how you look at it is a lot of HR!

[Scottdau]

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I do recall that, but to the best of my knowledge, Andro isn't a steroid. It's a pre-cursor to testosterone though (which is still bad for one's body). That's why I always say there isn't anything against Mac (although IMO I believe he was using some form of steroids along with Andro).

It doesn't matter if it is a roid or not, it is still a illegal and that is all that matters! But in Mac defense when he was taking them I don't think they were illegal!

[Scottdau]

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Definately. From what I've read, HGH is pretty much near the top of the line in terms of performance enhancers. It provides extremely fast results, but is very expensive.

That's why I think many of the bigger names have used that - they've got the money to get it. It still isn't tested for in baseball.

My guess is that HGH is what guys like Giambi, Bonds, Mac, Canseco and Sosa used. Just my opinion though.

I am sure a lot more then those guys used them! They said that John McEnroe took roids.

[Smokey]

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I hate you Barry... Thats all I have to say.

[mjb2124]

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It doesn't matter if it is a roid or not, it is still a illegal and that is all that matters! But in Mac defense when he was taking them I don't think they were illegal!

Andro definately wasn't illegal when Mac took it. Hence why he had it open in his locker and why GNC was selling it like mad after it was seen in his locker. I don't know if it's illegal right now though. Just doing a Google search and I found a site in the US selling it so I don't think it's illegal. Definately not allowed in MLB now though.

[mjb2124]

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I am sure a lot more then those guys used them!

Oh definately more than that. I just listed the first few big name players that came to mind that have the wherewithal to purchase a higher end steroid such as HGH.

[SPTO]

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I believe Bonds allegedly began using Andro in 1998. So that would be the point at which he began to use performance enhancing drugs.

I was off by a year, thanks for correcting me.

Oh and i'm not bitter. I just think someone who has blatantly cheated so openly deserves all the derision he gets.

I will say that he was a 1st Ballot HOF'er before he took performing enhancers and I said before, it's a real shame that he felt the need to juice up.

[Scottdau]

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Oh definately more than that. I just listed the first few big name players that came to mind that have the wherewithal to purchase a higher end steroid such as HGH.

No doubt Mac is what made it illegal in baseball! I remember when that was in GNC! But I am sure he took roids with Canseco, those two looked like body builder! And I am sure Bonds took them too!

[GSW]

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I was off by a year, thanks for correcting me.

Oh and i'm not bitter. I just think someone who has blatantly cheated so openly deserves all the derision he gets.

I will say that he was a 1st Ballot HOF'er before he took performing enhancers and I said before, it's a real shame that he felt the need to juice up.

its not blatant unless theres clear cut proof that something was going on, of which there is none.

in my mind i beleive something fishy was going on but im not ready to sit there and discredit everything the man has done for the game.

until the day it comes out he 100% was using steroids.. besides the clear and cream of whihc he said he didnt know was a steroid. whose to say he was doing HGH and all this other stuff people are coming up with.

bottom line people jsut dont like the dude because he was an *** for so many years and now they just wanna jump all over him and blame him for something that may or may not have been the truth

I seriously hope it comes out he never knowingly did stuff, but even then im sure people will say thats a lie and still discredit him.

Im sorry but i have a hard time beleive that somen who allegdly used a myriad of steroids and gets tested ona regular basis will continue to do them into thier 40's with negative test results left and right, and STILL be able to hit homeruns like hes doing now. I guess he must still be on steroids seeing as how he hasnt gotten any smaller and the ball seems to be going the same distance on every homer.

go figure.

innocent until proven guilty thats my take on it.

[mjb2124]

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until the day it comes out he 100% was using steroids.. besides the clear and cream of whihc he said he didnt know was a steroid.

There's the proof you need that he was on steroids. One moment you state that there's no proof he was on steroids and then the next you say that he did the cream and the clear unknowingly.

Unknowingly or knowingly the cream and clear are both steroids. Therefore he did them.

And let's not kid ourselves....no athlete is going to not know what's put into their body. Do you eat food that you don't know what it is? Do you put unknown substances into your gas tank of your car just to try it out? I doubt it. An athlete doesn't put something unknowingly into their body.

Do you want to know why he hasn't tested positive as well as MANY other players in baseball? Because baseball uses an ancient urine test to detect steroids. This urine test cannot and will not detect HGH or other higher end designer steroids. It's very rudimentary.

I wouldn't claim all these HR's that he's hitting now either. His HR's/AB are WAY down this year compared to the last few years. He's also hit a lot of warning track shots this year that haven't gone out. Many have stated that would happen if he was off steroids. His size wouldn't shrink that drastically either. It's not like when someone goes off them they go back to being a skinny person.

My opinion isn't that I hate the guy. It's that I hate seeing what's happening in baseball right now. It's become a joke. It's not just Barry, but he IS the center of attention when it comes to steroid discussions.

[Air23]

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its not blatant unless theres clear cut proof that something was going on, of which there is none.

in my mind i beleive something fishy was going on but im not ready to sit there and discredit everything the man has done for the game.

until the day it comes out he 100% was using steroids.. besides the clear and cream of whihc he said he didnt know was a steroid. whose to say he was doing HGH and all this other stuff people are coming up with.

bottom line people jsut dont like the dude because he was an *** for so many years and now they just wanna jump all over him and blame him for something that may or may not have been the truth

I seriously hope it comes out he never knowingly did stuff, but even then im sure people will say thats a lie and still discredit him.

Im sorry but i have a hard time beleive that somen who allegdly used a myriad of steroids and gets tested ona regular basis will continue to do them into thier 40's with negative test results left and right, and STILL be able to hit homeruns like hes doing now. I guess he must still be on steroids seeing as how he hasnt gotten any smaller and the ball seems to be going the same distance on every homer.

go figure.

innocent until proven guilty thats my take on it.

What this man said.