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  • countryboy
    Growing pains
    • Sep 2003
    • 52802

    #931
    Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

    Originally posted by RahKhem
    Well, if you are going to play that game, I guess we can talk about how all of Babe's homeruns came off only Caucasians, which means he wasn't facing the absolute best in the world, but this has been talked about ad nauseam.

    No maybe Babe didn't face all of the best pitchers in baseball at the time he played. I agree with that.

    What I am talking about is that I keep hearing how Bonds is sooo much better than Babe Ruth as a hitter that it drives me nuts.

    Let me throw this out to you, you say that Babe didn't face the best pitchers in his time. Well, what about Bonds? Pitching has become one of the weakest positions in baseball. In Babe's era you had usually 3 starting pitchers that was it. Now you have 5 and then the mound has been lowered, the ball parks have gotten shorter, and the players have gotten bigger and stronger.

    So no, I am not impressed by Barry needing more at bats to tie for second in the homerun category. He has more advantages then the Babe had, and it still took him longer. If I am not mistaken, I believe the Babe had a better batting average than Mr. Bonds.

    So again, sorry Barry, not impressed.
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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52802

      #932
      Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

      Originally posted by Blzer
      Or Pete Rose's amazing world-leading 4,256 hits. Well, he also leads the world in at-bats, too. I guess he can no longer be compared to Cobb or Clemente?

      At-bats isn't the main issue, its games. So if Mr. Rose needed a more substantial amount of games,(200+) then no I would say that he isn't as great a hitter as maybe Cobb or Clemente.
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      • countryboy
        Growing pains
        • Sep 2003
        • 52802

        #933
        Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

        Originally posted by Scottd
        Yeah we can say that about the Old Busch too! Thanks to Mac. Wow I can't believe you say that about SBC and the guy who play at Busch, brought roids into the game, he and his friend Canseco! Great comment about roids lol!

        I have no idea why you brought Mac and Conseco into this conversation but to each his own.

        I was responding to a comment made by another poster stating that Pujols only basically hits the number of homers he is because of his home ballpark.

        Just to give you guys a little info, going into yesterday, Pujols had 23 homeruns on the season. He has hit 12 on the road and 11 at home and has had 6 more at-bats at home.

        I am still waiting for someone to answer my question from earlier. Why do you think the Giants built the new SBC/AT&T park with the short porch in right? Was it because they wanted their pitchers to fear left handed power hitters or because they have one the best left handed power hitters in the game?
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        • mjb2124
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 13649

          #934
          Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

          Originally posted by Scottd
          Yeah we can say that about the Old Busch too! Thanks to Mac. Wow I can't believe you say that about SBC and the guy who play at Busch, brought roids into the game, he and his friend Canseco! Great comment about roids lol!
          'roids were in baseball way before Mac/Canseco.

          Of course, if people still feel Barry's innocent because all we have is leaked grand jury testimony on him, then Mac falls in that same boat....except we have no grand jury testimony.

          I'm a realist though and know that the steroid problem goes deep.....very deep. Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Raffy - they all used and IMO they only scratch the surface as to players who have used or are using.

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          • Blzer
            Resident film pundit
            • Mar 2004
            • 42527

            #935
            Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

            Originally posted by countryboy
            I am still waiting for someone to answer my question from earlier. Why do you think the Giants built the new SBC/AT&T park with the short porch in right? Was it because they wanted their pitchers to fear left handed power hitters or because they have one the best left handed power hitters in the game?
            Well, there were one of two reasons. One of the reasons is because that's the only land that Peter Magowan could attain in the entire China Basin area of San Francisco, and they did not have much room to build on. The second reason does pertain to what you just stated, and yes... that designated right-field line was intended for none other than Barry Bonds. Did they configure the rest of right field and the wind with it? I think they neglected that part just a little bit.

            Just for the record, I have not seen one home run hit by a player other than Bonds that went out to that 421-foot sign... because you need to hit a ball that would go at least 450-feet probably to get it out over that high fence. I'm not praising Bonds, but I'm comparing the park to any other park that has had a home run in right-center field, which is virtually every ballpark in existence.



            The St. Louis air is one thing to help a ball get out. Some places have it better than others, and you just won't know it. Arizona, Houston, and Chicago are also live, as well as (which everybody knows) Colorado. San Diego can kill the ball, and so can Washington. It's just in the air that can sometimes allow a ball to travel further than one might expect. The carry may be subtle, also.
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            • mjb2124
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2002
              • 13649

              #936
              Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

              Originally posted by Blzer
              The St. Louis air is one thing to help a ball get out. Some places have it better than others, and you just won't know it. Arizona, Houston, and Chicago are also live, as well as (which everybody knows) Colorado. San Diego can kill the ball, and so can Washington. It's just in the air that can sometimes allow a ball to travel further than one might expect. The carry may be subtle, also.
              One major difference is that the east suffers from much more humidity. Humidity should in theory decrease a balls travel because it makes the air thicker. STL is a very humid area.

              Surprisingly, Colorado is becoming LESS of a hitters park the past few years. They started to use humididors to store baseballs so they didn't dry out. The HR totals in Colorado have been dropping ever since. I believe 3 years ago Colorado averaged 15 runs scored per both teams a game. Now that number is down to 8.

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              • countryboy
                Growing pains
                • Sep 2003
                • 52802

                #937
                Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                Originally posted by Blzer
                The second reason does pertain to what you just stated, and yes... that designated right-field line was intended for none other than Barry Bonds.

                that is all I wanted to hear.
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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42527

                  #938
                  Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                  Originally posted by countryboy
                  that is all I wanted to hear.
                  Read*.

                  However, that's not all that I said. That, and I recall Sportscenter making sarcastic remarks about the new Busch left field being called "Pujols' Porch".

                  Great American Ballpark was built for Griffey. Ruth "BUILT" Yankee Stadium, and suits both lefties and righties down the lines.



                  But, above all, the Crawford boxes are definitely the cheapest place to hit a home run. Fenway is actually a nice and close second.
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                  • BGarrett7
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5890

                    #939
                    Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    Just for the record, I have not seen one home run hit by a player other than Bonds that went out to that 421-foot sign... because you need to hit a ball that would go at least 450-feet probably to get it out over that high fence.
                    Hardly. If it's 421 feet to the base of the right-centerfield wall from homeplate, and the wall is 25 feet tall, then the top of the wall would be slightly less than 422 feet away from homeplate.

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                    • Blzer
                      Resident film pundit
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42527

                      #940
                      Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                      Originally posted by BGarrett7
                      Hardly. If it's 421 feet to the base of the right-centerfield wall from homeplate, and the wall is 25 feet tall, then the top of the wall would be slightly less than 422 feet away from homeplate.
                      I understand that, but then there's that whole "wind" thing. Also, I didn't think of it until now, but remember that the wall itself is actually at 421 feet, so that means that because it's a higher wall, if there were no stands behind it, it would probably land at least 15 - 20 feet further anyway. Didn't think of that until just now.


                      Anyway, again... I'm not praising Bonds when saying that, but I'm sort of putting everyone else down. I cannot recall one home run there from any other ball player.
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                      • Scottdau
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #941
                        Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                        Originally posted by countryboy
                        I have no idea why you brought Mac and Conseco into this conversation but to each his own.

                        I was responding to a comment made by another poster stating that Pujols only basically hits the number of homers he is because of his home ballpark.

                        Just to give you guys a little info, going into yesterday, Pujols had 23 homeruns on the season. He has hit 12 on the road and 11 at home and has had 6 more at-bats at home.

                        I am still waiting for someone to answer my question from earlier. Why do you think the Giants built the new SBC/AT&T park with the short porch in right? Was it because they wanted their pitchers to fear left handed power hitters or because they have one the best left handed power hitters in the game?
                        I'll tell you the reason I brought them up, because of your smart *** comment about sbc being a good park for roids! When you know St. Louis park would be good for that too! And yes SBC was suppose to be a hitters park, but for some reason it is not! The ball doesnt carry to certain parts of the field, and right field is one of those spots!

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                        • Scottdau
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 32580

                          #942
                          Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                          Originally posted by joeboo
                          'roids were in baseball way before Mac/Canseco.

                          Of course, if people still feel Barry's innocent because all we have is leaked grand jury testimony on him, then Mac falls in that same boat....except we have no grand jury testimony.

                          I'm a realist though and know that the steroid problem goes deep.....very deep. Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Raffy - they all used and IMO they only scratch the surface as to players who have used or are using.
                          No, Canseco brought roids into baseball! And he got Mac hook on them too! They got heavy into them. Before Mac and Can guys look normal! Tell me one player before Mac and Can that took roids!

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                          • mjb2124
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 13649

                            #943
                            Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                            Originally posted by Scottd
                            No, Canseco brought roids into baseball! And he got Mac hook on them too! They got heavy into them. Before Mac and Can guys look normal! Tell me one player before Mac and Can that took roids!
                            Trust me, steroids were in the game way before Canseco even entered the league. Guys have been taking them since the 70's. I know you aren't naive enough to believe they suddenly appeared with Canseco, Mac and Caminiti in the mid 80's.

                            I can't tell you players names because players weren't tested back then. However, I'll guarantee MLB players have been using since the 70's. Don't think only football players were taking them in heavy doses at that time.

                            Remember, how many of the guys who tested positve were big, hulking players? Not too many. Size isn't the goal of a baseball player taking steroids. Improved stamina, bouncing back from injuries and other things are much more important.

                            EDIT - To prove my point is correct (which I already knew ):

                            http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2052364
                            Last edited by mjb2124; 05-26-2006, 11:56 PM.

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                            • Scottdau
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 32580

                              #944
                              Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                              Good call, I stand corrected, I know drugs were big, but I did not know about roids being big. Then I guess it is safe to say that Canseco is the one who brought it to the public's knowledge!

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                              • Blzer
                                Resident film pundit
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 42527

                                #945
                                Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

                                Originally posted by joeboo
                                EDIT - To prove my point is correct (which I already knew ):

                                http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2052364
                                A LONG time ago in this thread I posted that somebody once started a thread that had this article in it. I didn't have the thread or the article, but I remember saying that specific thing. Along with that, I said: "Who's to say that somebody like Willie Mays or Hank Aaron didn't take steroids during the time?" Believe me... it COULD be possible.
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