Official Barry Bonds Thread

[Blzer]

Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

You are insane!!!! Look at the right field wall and tell me what the distance is. 312-315ft, something like that. Then look at the dimensions of Busch and tell me what they are.

And don't use that crap about well, the right field wall is high because so is the green monster and people still jack homers over that thing.

Maybe the better way to say is that Busch is a hitter friendly park and AT&T is a steroid user friendly park!!!

It has very little to do with a 24-foot wall. That may as well be the last reason.

The first is that... recall that it is 309 DOWN THE RIGHT FIELD LINE ONLY. Then, all of the sudden, it has that same wall height at 421 feet away from home plate. Also, remember that little thing beyond the right field wall? That, uh... that cove? Yeah, wind blows in because of it... didn't know if that ever made sense from people inland from water, especially oceans and bays. Any ball would be knocked down there.

Recall that Fenway Park goes from 310 ft to a SMALL 379 feet in left center, and the wind blows out to left field. Don't you maybe think that a 42 foot difference plus headwind vs tailwind is a pretty damn big difference?



Ask anybody; ask ANY real major league hitter which park is toughest to hit it out to right field in. Three years ago, it would have been four choices (Comerica included). Now, it's down to three, with AT&T Park being one of them. Ask Albert Pujols after his shot to right-center field that would have been a home run in any other ballpark, and what would have looked like a moonshot at Busch Stadium.


Finally, Bonds doesn't hit home runs down the line. I mean sure... he will. But, that's not his routine area. Go onto his website, and look at home runs 659 - 714. You won't see too many right down the line.

And did I even factor in steroids? We can assume that any major league hitter is using HGH and undetectable steroids at the moment, including Pujols. We are allowed to do that... because they can't be tested/tested positive with them. So, let's assume that everybody is so that it's fair... otherwise Bonds DESERVES that unfair advantage with that damn park.






The wall means nothing; though it did rob Mark Sweeney of a grand slam on Monday.

[mjb2124]

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None of the wall height, tailwind, headwind, ballpark dimension stuff matters.

Pujols is the better player right now, period.

We'll judge their career's side by side once Barroid retires and Pujols retires. It's incredibly difficult to judge when one player has played 20 years and the other 5.

[SPTO]

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We'll judge their career's side by side once Barroid retires and Pujols retires. It's incredibly difficult to judge when one player has played 20 years and the other 5.

The scary thing is if Pujols isn't lying about his age then he's going to get even better in the next few years. Can you imagine that?!

Pujols can very well be the saviour for baseball but sadly the sport has mucked things up so much in the public eye that even a good guy like Pujols is open to questions about his age and chemical makeup.

[countryboy]

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It has very little to do with a 24-foot wall. That may as well be the last reason.

The first is that... recall that it is 309 DOWN THE RIGHT FIELD LINE ONLY. Then, all of the sudden, it has that same wall height at 421 feet away from home plate. Also, remember that little thing beyond the right field wall? That, uh... that cove? Yeah, wind blows in because of it... didn't know if that ever made sense from people inland from water, especially oceans and bays. Any ball would be knocked down there.

Recall that Fenway Park goes from 310 ft to a SMALL 379 feet in left center, and the wind blows out to left field. Don't you maybe think that a 42 foot difference plus headwind vs tailwind is a pretty damn big difference?



Ask anybody; ask ANY real major league hitter which park is toughest to hit it out to right field in. Three years ago, it would have been four choices (Comerica included). Now, it's down to three, with AT&T Park being one of them. Ask Albert Pujols after his shot to right-center field that would have been a home run in any other ballpark, and what would have looked like a moonshot at Busch Stadium.


Finally, Bonds doesn't hit home runs down the line. I mean sure... he will. But, that's not his routine area. Go onto his website, and look at home runs 659 - 714. You won't see too many right down the line.

And did I even factor in steroids? We can assume that any major league hitter is using HGH and undetectable steroids at the moment, including Pujols. We are allowed to do that... because they can't be tested/tested positive with them. So, let's assume that everybody is so that it's fair... otherwise Bonds DESERVES that unfair advantage with that damn park.






The wall means nothing; though it did rob Mark Sweeney of a grand slam on Monday.

I like how you always make it seem that Bonds has to overcome insernountable odds to just hit homeruns. You man, are priceless.

You wanted to bring in the fact that new Busch was a hitter friendly park. Well, let me ask you this. How can a park that is symetrical all the way around with no short porches and no sudden changes in wall distance be that much easier a park to hit homeruns in?

I am not saying that Busch is tougher to hit homers in vs AT&T, I just don't understand why you would make that comment. In my opinion they would be just about the same.

BTW, how many homers has Bonds hit into the cove? How many has he hit to right field, not down the line, but between right center and down the line? At least a majority, wouldn't you say? If thats the case then I would say that he and Pujols are on equal playing field.

Why do you think they built the new park in San Francisco with that short porch in right? They did it so that they would have to fear left handed power hitters, or because they have/had one of the greatest left power hitters in the game?

Shouldn't be that tough to figure out

[countryboy]

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None of the wall height, tailwind, headwind, ballpark dimension stuff matters.

Pujols is the better player right now, period.

We'll judge their career's side by side once Barroid retires and Pujols retires. It's incredibly difficult to judge when one player has played 20 years and the other 5.

If you look at each player's first 5 years in the league, you will see that the numbers will tell you that Pujols is the far superior hitter. I actually posted the stats in the thread once the Bonds is better than Pujols crap started. Its in here somewhere should anyone want to look it up.

[SPTO]

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You wanted to bring in the fact that new Busch was a hitter friendly park. Well, let me ask you this. How can a park that is symetrical all the way around with no short porches and no sudden changes in wall distance be that much easier a park to hit homeruns in?

I am not saying that Busch is tougher to hit homers in vs AT&T, I just don't understand why you would make that comment. In my opinion they would be just about the same.

He should've made mention of the fact that STL is a launching pad in the middle of the summer. Even at old Busch the ball jumps off the bat a lot in the dog days. I think it may have to do with the jet stream or what not. Correct me if I'm wrong tho, I think Old Busch was a pitcher's park for much of its history.

We have to wait at least 5 years to tell how New Busch plays.

[blackceasar]

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None of the wall height, tailwind, headwind, ballpark dimension stuff matters.

Pujols is the better player right now, period.

We'll judge their career's side by side once Barroid retires and Pujols retires. It's incredibly difficult to judge when one player has played 20 years and the other 5.

I think Albert is doomed. In todays society, with all the media, ratings, people looking for a good story...the more Albert accomplishes, the chance that juicing stories, allegations, and theories will come out increases. We just have to admit that we live in a society that would rather watch Jerry Springer than read a book. Fortunately hes young and not close to setting any real career marks..but mark my words..if he starts having a Bonds like career 5 more years from now..people are going to start talking.

[SPTO]

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People are already talking, not about roids but his age. I've heard stories about him being older in the last month or so.

[blackceasar]

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What Springer did tonight was complete bull****.

Russ who? exactly. He's a nobody. When he retires there will be no ceremony. It wont even been an idividual story on Sportcenter. His name will be on a screen graphic with 11 other players with a headlin that says "players retiring this year".....then it will move on to the next story lol

[countryboy]

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One last little tid-bit for those who are singing the praises of Barry Bonds after tying Ruth for second all time in Homeruns hit.

It took Bonds 847 more at-bats than Babe to hit 714 and Barry played in 266 more games than Babe.

Sorry Barry not impressed

[countryboy]

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He should've made mention of the fact that STL is a launching pad in the middle of the summer. Even at old Busch the ball jumps off the bat a lot in the dog days. I think it may have to do with the jet stream or what not. Correct me if I'm wrong tho, I think Old Busch was a pitcher's park for much of its history.

We have to wait at least 5 years to tell how New Busch plays.

New and Old Busch will play the same way because they are built on the same grounds, just turned around a little.

One thing to remember, humidity knocks the ball down. That is why the Rockies put the baseball in a humidifier before each game so that it doesn't just fly around the ballpark anymore. And correct me if I am wrong, but it gets pretty hot and humid in St.Louis during the summer.

[RahKhem]

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One last little tid-bit for those who are singing the praises of Barry Bonds after tying Ruth for second all time in Homeruns hit.

It took Bonds 847 more at-bats than Babe to hit 714 and Barry played in 266 more games than Babe.

Sorry Barry not impressed

Well, if you are going to play that game, I guess we can talk about how all of Babe's homeruns came off only Caucasians, which means he wasn't facing the absolute best in the world, but this has been talked about ad nauseam.

[Blzer]

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Well, if you are going to play that game, I guess we can talk about how all of Babe's homeruns came off only Caucasians, which means he wasn't facing the absolute best in the world, but this has been talked about ad nauseam.

Or Pete Rose's amazing world-leading 4,256 hits. Well, he also leads the world in at-bats, too. I guess he can no longer be compared to Cobb or Clemente?

[Scottdau]

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You guys have to be tripping. Sbc is a pitcher's ball park. I don't know about the new park in St. Louis, but the way the balls were going out they said it will be a hitter's parks! yes they have a short wall, but look at center and the gaps. And think about all the great left hand hitter's and even they have problems hitting it out! That ball park is a pitcher ball park. Even the players and league will say that. But the way Bonds and Albert P. hit the ball parks mean nothing. They can hit it out of any ball park.

[Scottdau]

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You are insane!!!! Look at the right field wall and tell me what the distance is. 312-315ft, something like that. Then look at the dimensions of Busch and tell me what they are.

And don't use that crap about well, the right field wall is high because so is the green monster and people still jack homers over that thing.

Maybe the better way to say is that Busch is a hitter friendly park and AT&T is a steroid user friendly park!!!

Yeah we can say that about the Old Busch too! Thanks to Mac. Wow I can't believe you say that about SBC and the guy who play at Busch, brought roids into the game, he and his friend Canseco! Great comment about roids lol!