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  • Knight165
    *ll St*r
    • Feb 2003
    • 24964

    #151
    Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

    Originally posted by snepp
    Denard Span blows btw.
    I'm just making a point that you can throw him in center until you can replace Hunter.
    He's an average player with no power, but he does have some speed.
    Heck...you guys could probably have Mike Cameron for a "song"....

    But hey....keep telling everyone your players suck and take mediocre offers in return for your best player....the rest of the league doesn't mind

    M.K.
    Knight165
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    • NYJets
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 18637

      #152
      Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

      Originally posted by Knight165
      ...and herein lies the problem with Yankee fans. They tend to overhype their prospects and in Melkys case...players.
      I'm asking you....do the Twins really need to send Johan Santana to get a player like Melky Cabrera back? They can get a player of Cabrera caliber from anywhere and as a matter of fact, they have a player in Denard Span who could probably step in and play CF for them right now.
      I will respectfully just disagree with you on Melky's arm. You see what you see and I see what I see....and his defense is nothing to write home about IMO.....but of course Yankee fans will call him Mickey Jr.
      Now onto Horne.
      I don't know where you are getting your prospect info from but NO analyst I've read has him projected any higher than a #4 starter. Plus he is coming off an injury...
      Straight from the 2007 Minor League Baseball Analyst...Alan Horne projects as a #5 starter and his rating is 7E. 7 being average and E meaning he has a TEN PERCENT chance of actually hitting his potential.
      Contrast that with a Hughes' projection of a #1 starter with a rating of 9B Nine being an elite player and B meaning he has a 70-80% chance of reaching his potential.
      Horne has two plus pitches in his FB and his cutter. His changeup is average and he doesn't hide it well. Perhaps that will change with experience, but sorry.....he's not a #2. He did have a nice season in Trenton...I will give you that.
      Don't get me wrong...I'm not knocking your players, they are decent(with the exception of Hughes of course)....but I'm just saying that what you are offering is nothing special. The Twins will probably take it...and basically that has them standing in place...they replace Santana for Hughes(if he pans out to his potential) and that's why they are not winning anything any time soon.

      You answered your own question on teams willing to pay him....
      If the Twins said...you know what?.....the Yanks and Sox aren't bucking up....We'll take so and so for Santana...say any combination of Pelfrey/Martinez/Humber/Mulvey from the Mets or Elbert/Kershaw/Loney from the Dodgers or Wood/Adenhart/Arredondo from the Angels, you don't think those teams would be willing to pay Santana? Heck...the Cubs might even pay and offer Veal/Pie and Gallagher to snag Santana....

      M.K.
      Knight165

      Depends on who you listen too. John Manuel said that Horne has 4 plus pitches. I don't agree with that, but different scouts say different things. I know all season guys like Keith Law have said things about him that just flatout aren't true.

      He doesn't even throw a cutter though as far as I know. He throws a hard 4 seamer, a good sinker, a good curverball, ok slider, and a mediocre at best changeup.



      And you can complain about Yankee fans overrating their players/prospects all you want, and I am sure they are the only fanbase in all of sports who does that, but Melky Cabrera does not have a below average arm. I don't even think he's that good of a player, but his arm is awesome, especially for a centerfielder, but still good for any outfield position. I don't know how anyone who has ever seen him play can argue that.

      And I don't know why the Twins would have to go to those other teams and offer Santana too them. Everyone knows Santana is available, if those teams were willing to pay him, and willing to beat the Yankees/Red Sox offers, they would be talking to them already. I'm sure the Twins would prefer to trade him to the Mets/Cubs/Dodgers and get him out of the AL.
      Originally posted by Jay Bilas
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      • nemesis04
        RIP Ty My Buddy
        • Feb 2004
        • 13530

        #153
        Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

        Originally posted by NYJets
        And you can complain about Yankee fans overrating their players/prospects all you want, and I am sure they are the only fanbase in all of sports who does that, but Melky Cabrera does not have a below average arm. I don't even think he's that good of a player, but his arm is awesome, especially for a centerfielder, but still good for any outfield position. I don't know how anyone who has ever seen him play can argue that.
        Thats the only thing I am going to miss from Melky if he goes. He can gun down runners at the plate. Damon can't make it to second without a bounce.
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        • WazzuRC
          Go Cougs!
          • Dec 2002
          • 5617

          #154
          Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

          If you can get Santana, you should be willing to trade ANYBODY in your farm system. I'm not saying any on OS have done this, but I don't know how any Yankee fan or Sox fan can say "don't trade Hughes" or "don't trade Ellsbury". We're talking about the most dominant pitcher in the MLB. Pitching wins championships. Period.

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          • snepp
            We'll waste him too.
            • Apr 2003
            • 10007

            #155
            Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

            Originally posted by nemesis04
            Damon can't make it to second without a bounce.
            Or three.
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            • NYJets
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 18637

              #156
              Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

              Originally posted by WazzuRC
              If you can get Santana, you should be willing to trade ANYBODY in your farm system. I'm not saying any on OS have done this, but I don't know how any Yankee fan or Sox fan can say "don't trade Hughes" or "don't trade Ellsbury". We're talking about the most dominant pitcher in the MLB. Pitching wins championships. Period.
              Unless you feel that there's a good chance if your patient enough you can get him without trading that player.
              Originally posted by Jay Bilas
              The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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              • Misfit
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 5766

                #157
                Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                Originally posted by NYJets
                Unless you feel that there's a good chance if your patient enough you can get him without trading that player.

                He's going to be traded, it's all but a certainty at this point. Pitchers like Johan Santana don't reach the market anymore.

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                • NYJets
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 18637

                  #158
                  Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                  Originally posted by Misfit
                  He's going to be traded, it's all but a certainty at this point. Pitchers like Johan Santana don't reach the market anymore.

                  I agree, I think if they waited it out they would be able to make a deal for him without Hughes. I could be wrong, that's just my feeling.
                  Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                  The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                  • Misfit
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 5766

                    #159
                    Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                    Originally posted by NYJets
                    I agree, I think if they waited it out they would be able to make a deal for him without Hughes. I could be wrong, that's just my feeling.
                    If they tried to wait and pulled Hughes out the Twins would probably just ship him off to Boston for Jon Lester. You can't get someone great for someone mediocre. If the Twins are doing anything right at the moment it's that they're successfully playing the two AL East powers off of each other and one team is going to give up a top prospect (and a ton of money) in the next three days for Santana.

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                    • WazzuRC
                      Go Cougs!
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 5617

                      #160
                      Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                      Originally posted by NYJets
                      Unless you feel that there's a good chance if your patient enough you can get him without trading that player.
                      Patience is never a word used by anybody in the Yankee or Sox organization.

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                      • NYJets
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 18637

                        #161
                        Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                        Originally posted by Misfit
                        If they tried to wait and pulled Hughes out the Twins would probably just ship him off to Boston for Jon Lester. You can't get someone great for someone mediocre. If the Twins are doing anything right at the moment it's that they're successfully playing the two AL East powers off of each other and one team is going to give up a top prospect (and a ton of money) in the next three days for Santana.
                        What has Lester done to make him a centerpiece for a Santana trade?

                        Lester is closer to Ian Kennedy in value than Hughes. If they demand Hughes a deal centered around Hughes from the Yankees, they should demand one around Bucholz from the Red Sox.
                        Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                        The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                        • Misfit
                          All Star
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 5766

                          #162
                          Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                          Originally posted by NYJets
                          What has Lester done to make him a centerpiece for a Santana trade?

                          Lester is closer to Ian Kennedy in value than Hughes. If they demand Hughes a deal centered around Hughes from the Yankees, they should demand one around Bucholz from the Red Sox.
                          You missed the point. If the Yankees didn't want to deal Hughes then the Red Sox would not be forced to offer Ellsbury. And I would think the Twins would take a deal centered around Lester before one around a guy like Ian Kennedy for the reasons that Lester is a lefty and the whole world got to watch him shine in the World Series which likely didn't hurt his stock.

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                          • Mr.Burns
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 381

                            #163
                            Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                            Originally posted by Knight165
                            ...and herein lies the problem with Yankee fans. They tend to overhype their prospects and in Melkys case...players.
                            I'm asking you....do the Twins really need to send Johan Santana to get a player like Melky Cabrera back? They can get a player of Cabrera caliber from anywhere and as a matter of fact, they have a player in Denard Span who could probably step in and play CF for them right now.
                            I will respectfully just disagree with you on Melky's arm. You see what you see and I see what I see....and his defense is nothing to write home about IMO.....but of course Yankee fans will call him Mickey Jr.
                            \
                            The Cubs are going to trade for Santana? Really?! You sure guessed it.
                            Originally posted by Knight165
                            You see what you see and I see what I see....and his defense is nothing to write home about IMO.....but of course Yankee fans will call him Mickey Jr.
                            Shows what you know.
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                            • Lintyfresh85
                              Where have I been?
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 17492

                              #164
                              Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                              Originally posted by Mr.Burns
                              Shows what you know.
                              Instead of insulting other users how about you actually back up your opinion.
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                              • Mr.Burns
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 381

                                #165
                                Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                                Originally posted by Lintyfresh85
                                Instead of insulting other users how about you actually back up your opinion.
                                "You see what you see and I see what I see" Don't need to even give this person a second thought. Edit: Just another fan PO'd his team doesn't find themselves within the same position. Not like it's the first time or anything.
                                Last edited by Mr.Burns; 12-02-2007, 08:37 PM.
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                                Trip from NYC to Glendale, Arizona -$650
                                Vintage Eli Manning jersey -$230
                                Picturing the faces of Chargers' fans and certain studio analysts as they watch Eli play in the Super Bowl XLII from their respective homes, or for some - a television studio - Priceless.

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