Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

I brought up Mauer last year. If your idea of a HOFer is someone who reaches X threshold of WAR, no, Mauer's not your guy, but if you're willing to reward peak performance and grade catchers on a curve (as they should be), I think Mauer deserves to be in the conversation. He was very much in the "best player in baseball" tier during his prime.

Ultimately, I don't think he gets in.

[Godgers12]

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I'll be at the HoF induction on Sunday. Here's to hoping I'm able to meet The Kid.

Also, it's bout damn time Edgar Martinez gets his due. He is the best player ALL TIME at his position and he's not in. It blows the mind.

[Speedy]

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I brought up Mauer last year. If your idea of a HOFer is someone who reaches X threshold of WAR, no, Mauer's not your guy, but if you're willing to reward peak performance and grade catchers on a curve (as they should be), I think Mauer deserves to be in the conversation. He was very much in the "best player in baseball" tier during his prime.

Ultimately, I don't think he gets in.

For the record, he has the most athletic play I've ever seen from a catcher...and this is with Sandy Alomar in mind.

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[redsox4evur]

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I'll be at the HoF induction on Sunday. Here's to hoping I'm able to meet The Kid.

Also, it's bout damn time Edgar Martinez gets his due. He is the best player ALL TIME at his position and he's not in. It blows the mind.

That is really debatable.


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[Godgers12]

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That is really debatable.


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If you're going to say Papi is better, I'll point to their averages then drop the mic.

[Godgers12]

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Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, and Edgar Martinez, what do they all have in common? They're the only players EVER with a AVG of .300+, an OBP of .400+, slugging % of .500+, 2000+ hits, 300+ HR, 500+ doubles, and 1000+ walks. You see, Edgar isn't just the best DH of all time he's one of the best hitters of all time, period.

/mic drop

[redsox4evur]

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If you're going to say Papi is better, I'll point to their averages then drop the mic.

Like I said debatable. You say average. Give me Ortiz's power numbers. It comes down to what you want from a DH. Do you want a guy that will get on base a lot or do you want the guy that will hit you bombs? Give the guy with power all the time from my DH. Also David Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter of time. There is more to the game than averages.

And just looking at both their stats Martinez is only better in three categories average, obp and ops. But their ops' are close enough to where it's a wash. Ortiz: .931 and Martinez: .933 So I'll point out HR's, rbi, doubles, slugging, hits drops mic.


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[Godgers12]

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Like I said debatable. You say average. Give me Ortiz's power numbers. It comes down to what you want from a DH. Do you want a guy that will get on base a lot or do you want the guy that will hit you bombs? Give the guy with power all the time from my DH. Also David Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter of time. There is more to the game than averages.

And just looking at both their stats Martinez is only better in three categories average, obp and ops. But their ops' are close enough to where it's a wash. Ortiz: .931 and Martinez: .933 So I'll point out HR's, rbi, doubles, slugging, hits drops mic.


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We can't both drop the mic. I just dropped it with my Ruth, Gehrig, Hornsby, Williams, Musial comparison.

[redsox4evur]

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I brought up Mauer last year. If your idea of a HOFer is someone who reaches X threshold of WAR, no, Mauer's not your guy, but if you're willing to reward peak performance and grade catchers on a curve (as they should be), I think Mauer deserves to be in the conversation. He was very much in the "best player in baseball" tier during his prime.

Ultimately, I don't think he gets in.

Here is how Mauer compares to HOF averages of the 14 catchers already in the HOF. Average WAR: 52.7 Mauer WAR: 49.4 WAR7 (the sum of the players best 7 WARs): Average WAR7: 34.2 Mauer WAR7: 38.5 JAWS(a combination of career WAR and 7 year peak totals): AVG: 43.4 Mauer: 44.0

So if you are looking at just those numbers Mauer is HOF worthy as a catcher. So the real conversation comes to down is he a catcher or a 1B. Because by the time he has retired he will have played more 1st than catcher.

[Godgers12]

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Like I said debatable. You say average. Give me Ortiz's power numbers. It comes down to what you want from a DH. Do you want a guy that will get on base a lot or do you want the guy that will hit you bombs? Give the guy with power all the time from my DH. Also David Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter of time. There is more to the game than averages.

And just looking at both their stats Martinez is only better in three categories average, obp and ops. But their ops' are close enough to where it's a wash. Ortiz: .931 and Martinez: .933 So I'll point out HR's, rbi, doubles, slugging, hits drops mic.


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I'll also say that Edgar didn't become a full time player till he was 27, because we didn't know where to play him (lol). Also, he was incapable of playing the field due to his knees, so rarely did he play interleague games. He also missed a good portion of his age 30 and 31 seasons. So he probably left a good 150-200 HR's and probably close to 1000 hits on the table.

[redsox4evur]

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I'll also say that Edgar didn't become a full time player till he was 27, because we didn't know where to play him (lol). Also, he was incapable of playing the field due to his knees, so rarely did he play interleague games. He also missed a good portion of his age 30 and 31 seasons. So he probably left a good 150-200 HR's and probably close to 1000 hits on the table.

Same with David Ortiz, he didn't break out until he was 26. He had played over 100 games for the first time when he was 24 then played around half when he was 25.

We are both right. It all comes down to what you personally want from your DH. You want the guy that will get on base the most. I want the guy with more power and is a better clutch hitter.

[Godgers12]

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Same with David Ortiz, he didn't break out until he was 26. He had played over 100 games for the first time when he was 24 then played around half when he was 25.

We are both right. It all comes down to what you personally want from your DH. You want the guy that will get on base the most. I want the guy with more power and is a better clutch hitter.

Ortiz being more clutch is debatable. Edgar delivered the hit that saved baseball in Seattle in the '95 ALDS that scored Griffey from 1st on a double against the NYY. That hit is on par with the Lynch run in the playoffs in Seattle. I hate saying that, because screw the Seahawks : but it is what it is. Niehaus' call of that play is just magical as well.

[TripleCrown9]

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Ortiz being more clutch is debatable. Edgar delivered the hit that saved baseball in Seattle in the '95 ALDS that scored Griffey from 1st on a double against the NYY. That hit is on par with the Lynch run in the playoffs in Seattle. I hate saying that, because screw the Seahawks : but it is what it is. Niehaus' call of that play is just magical as well.

Your one example is nice.

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[Ghost Of The Year]

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If you're going to say Papi is better, I'll point to their averages then drop the mic.

Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, and Edgar Martinez, what do they all have in common? They're the only players EVER with a AVG of .300+, an OBP of .400+, slugging % of .500+, 2000+ hits, 300+ HR, 500+ doubles, and 1000+ walks. You see, Edgar isn't just the best DH of all time he's one of the best hitters of all time, period.

/mic drop

Like I said debatable. You say average. Give me Ortiz's power numbers. It comes down to what you want from a DH. Do you want a guy that will get on base a lot or do you want the guy that will hit you bombs? Give the guy with power all the time from my DH. Also David Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter of time. There is more to the game than averages.

And just looking at both their stats Martinez is only better in three categories average, obp and ops. But their ops' are close enough to where it's a wash. Ortiz: .931 and Martinez: .933 So I'll point out HR's, rbi, doubles, slugging, hits drops mic.


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We can't both drop the mic. I just dropped it with my Ruth, Gehrig, Hornsby, Williams, Musial comparison.

-1 to redsox4evur for mic drop faux pas

-50 to Godgers for mic drop, pick mic up, mic drop again, pick mic up again, triple mic drop.

Being the greatest DH of all time is overrated.
Any of the greatest hitters at 8 other positions could have been a great DH.
Then where would Edgar rank? I doubt he'd crack the top 50.
Edgar Martinez is more similar to John Olerud Will Clark & Moises Alou than any HoF'er.
*politefully lays mic down on table, exits thread*

[WaitTilNextYear]

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-1 to redsox4evur for mic drop faux pas

-50 to Godgers for mic drop, pick mic up, mic drop again, pick mic up again, triple mic drop.

Being the greatest DH of all time is overrated.
Any of the greatest hitters at 8 other positions could have been a great DH.
Then where would Edgar rank? I doubt he'd crack the top 50.
Edgar Martinez is more similar to John Olerud Will Clark & Moises Alou than any HoF'er.
*politefully lays mic down on table, exits thread*

Picks mic back up in order to drop it where it belongs.

I do like the realization at one point...we can't both drop the mic...lol. So true.