Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[Speedy]

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That said, Yadi is a lock to end up with offensive numbers on par with the average for HoF catchers in most categories. The range for a lot of those stats is all over the place, unsurprisingly, but he'll end up with the hits, AVG and runs, I think.

So is calling a game as a catcher given too much credence? It's "easy" to substantiate a catcher's value with SB% (catch stealing), offensive stats, even pickoffs. But what about calling a game?

Ultimately, the burden falls on the pitcher but I believe the manager places the burden of trust to the catcher to "advise" of the best pitch in a certain situation.

Some pitchers know what they want to throw and it doesn't matter what the catcher thinks (Maddux comes to mind)...meanwhile some pitchers rely on the catcher quite much, as you hear several SPs say they rarely shake off Yadi.

I don't ask specifically to you or in a facetious tone but rather out of curiosity. Yadi's best known calling card, in my mind, is game calling...I'm curious how much weight should a catcher be given if they're good at that sort of thing.

[AC]

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Yeah fWAR doesn't take into account Yadi's framing and game calling. He's probably a borderline candidate but not at all a sure thing.

[econoodle]

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Anyone have any problems with Piazza getting in?

[Sportsforever]

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Anyone have any problems with Piazza getting in?

Best hitting catcher of all time? Nope, not at all...

[redsox4evur]

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Anyone have any problems with Piazza getting in?

As SF said best hitting catcher of all time. And if you are referring to the steroid allegations, still no. I would be voting for Bonds and Clemens as well.

[SPTO]

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Anyone have any problems with Piazza getting in?

Nope, sure, there have been whispers but he was never caught and honestly he was always a big boy. He's the best hitting catcher of all time and we shouldn't look for things that aren't necessarily there.

[Balla Da Le Playa]

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still waiting on my man sweet Lou whitaker to get in. Frank White and Willie Randolph deserve more than a cursory glance. Whitaker White and Willie were to secont base in the eighties what Jeter Nomar and ARod were to short in the nineties and beyond

[55]

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Whitaker and Trammell should both be in. What an outstanding middle infield Detroit had all those years. For 15+ years those two were on double play patrol and were more than handy enough with a bat for their positions. Very underrated guys with 70+ WAR each.

[Speedy]

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I can count now 3 times since he was elected in 2011 that I thought Robbie Alomar wasn't in the HOF and I was surprised he was already voted in.

Boy, time flies.

It's amazing how richly talented those late 90s Cleveland teams were, yet never won a WS.

[55]

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I can count now 3 times since he was elected in 2011 that I thought Robbie Alomar wasn't in the HOF and I was surprised he was already voted in.

Boy, time flies.

It's amazing how richly talented those late 90s Cleveland teams were, yet never won a WS.

No pitching, yo.

[Chip Douglass]

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Here are some names that we haven't talked about all that much...

Willie Randolph

Dick Allen

Dwight Evans

Norm Cash

Graig Nettles

Jerry Koosman

Mickey Lolich

Any guys worthy of HoF here?

I would vote for Dick Allen; the rest are Hall of Very Good types.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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If Candy Cummings belongs in the Hall as a Pioneer, then so does Tommy John for the same.

[55]

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If Candy Cummings belongs in the Hall as a Pioneer, then so does Tommy John for the same.

Guinea pigs don't win Nobel Prizes, scientists do.

In this case, Tommy John is just a Guinea pig, Dr. Frank Jobe is the scientist.

[Chip Douglass]

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Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran

Matt Holliday

Yadier Molina

Dustin Pedroia

Robinson Cano

Adrian Gonzalez

Joey Votto

David Wright

No chance: Adrian Gonzalez

Very little chance: Yadier Molina, Matt Holliday

Think he's already good enough to get in, but not sure he'll actually get in: Carlos Beltran

Probably going to finish with ~55-60 career WAR, which is where a lot of not-quite-good-enough guys fall: Joey Votto, David Wright, Robinson Cano, Dustin Pedroia

[H8ter2]

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If anyone one as of now from this list I would have to say Beltran, his post season numbers especially that one year where he went bonkers with HR's might be enough to close the gap on his career numbers even though my instincts put him in the Hall of really good players, other then that the rest still have a lot to do IMO


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