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  • dubcity
    Hall Of Fame
    • May 2012
    • 17874

    #1291
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    Originally posted by Speedy
    His NYM years cost him, I think.





    His 2000 season is unreal; for that matter, that Jays team was loaded - unrealized potential.

    He did hit 38 HR for NYM twice, but yeah his 2000 season was crazy. .470 OBP that year.

    (And FWIW, he has the same career OBP as A-Rod. Fewer games tho, obviously)

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    • WaitTilNextYear
      Go Cubs Go
      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #1292
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by SPTO
      I wonder if that whole "not standing for the anthem" thing is still in the back of the minds of the more delusional voters out there.
      Why would holding that against him mean someone would have to be delusional?
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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #1293
        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
        Why would holding that against him mean someone would have to be delusional?
        I was grasping for better wording...maybe stupid?
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        • DrJones
          All Star
          • Mar 2003
          • 9109

          #1294
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          Originally posted by SPTO
          I was grasping for better wording...maybe stupid?
          I believe "unprofessional" is the word you're looking for.
          Originally posted by Thrash13
          Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
          Originally posted by slickdtc
          DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
          Originally posted by Kipnis22
          yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #1295
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            OK, fair point. I agree it would be over-the-top vindictive to hold that one event against Delgado in the context of his playing career. I just didn't know if you meant to insinuate that the anthem hijinx didn't actually happen by saying it was "delusional" of people.

            I would definitely consider Delgado to be a borderline candidate and I waffle back and forth on him.
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            • SPTO
              binging
              • Feb 2003
              • 68046

              #1296
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
              OK, fair point. I agree it would be over-the-top vindictive to hold that one event against Delgado in the context of his playing career. I just didn't know if you meant to insinuate that the anthem hijinx didn't actually happen by saying it was "delusional" of people.

              I would definitely consider Delgado to be a borderline candidate and I waffle back and forth on him.
              I agree with you on that. Delgado probably needed at least a few more productive seasons as well. I think one thing that hurts him a bit is that he played the majority of his career on a mediocre team outside the US. If he had played in say, Chicago I don't think he'd be blasted off the ballot on his first try. I'm not saying he's a HOFer for sure but he has better credentials than some of the guys that get discussed.
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              "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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              • Trent Booty
                MVP
                • Jan 2015
                • 2572

                #1297
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                I'm sure it's been brought up, but do you guys think Edgar EVER gets in? Sure, he didn't lead the Ms to the WS but he's been a key catalyst in all four of their postseason appearances. He was clutch in the postseason, just could never make it to the WS. He has the 2nd highest WAR behind first-ballot HOF Ken Griffey Jr.

                I'd just really like to see him get in, even though I was like 7 when he retired. He's my 2nd favorite all-time favorite Mariner (behind Norm Charlton, another guy I wasn't even alive) and it would be great to see him in. I think he deserves it. The numbers speak for themselves

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                • Chip Douglass
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 12256

                  #1298
                  Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  Edgar got walks/doubles instead of home runs/RBIs, was a DH, didn't have a long career by HOF standards, and got overshadowed by more famous faces in Seattle.

                  There's nothing wrong with having high standards for DHs since they're not adding any value in one entire component of the game, so you have to be a pretty special hitter to merit induction. Martinez was absolutely that special hitter, though. Too bad the people who cast the ballots don't realize it.

                  He's actually backslid (from an already low % of the vote) since he first appeared on the ballot, so yeah, I doubt he ever gets in.
                  I write things on the Internet.

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                  • Sportsforever
                    NL MVP
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 20368

                    #1299
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    If Carlos Delgado was even an average defensive player he's got a good argument...as it is, he was one of the worst defensive players of all time. He's in the HOF of very good, IMO.
                    "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                    • DrJones
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 9109

                      #1300
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      Originally posted by Trent Booty
                      I'm sure it's been brought up, but do you guys think Edgar EVER gets in?
                      Via BBWAA votes? No. Veterans' Committee of some kind 20+ years in the future? Possible.
                      Originally posted by Thrash13
                      Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                      Originally posted by slickdtc
                      DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                      Originally posted by Kipnis22
                      yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                      • Trent Booty
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2015
                        • 2572

                        #1301
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        It's just that the Mariners have had 1 HOF Manager (for only three seasons lol) and 4 HOF players (with Randy Johnson being the best but he has his ARI cap and was better there. Goose Gossage, Gaylord Perry and Rickey Henderson only played like 1 or 2 seasons with us and they're the only other guys. I'm really looking forward the Jr's induction but was wondering about Gar

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                        • Chip Douglass
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 12256

                          #1302
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          You have Ichiro to look forward to.
                          I write things on the Internet.

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                          • Trent Booty
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 2572

                            #1303
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                            You have Ichiro to look forward to.
                            Yeah and maybe even Felix.

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #1304
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              I think Edgar gets in, but only after David Ortiz paves the way for him oddly enough. Ortiz will get in on his fame + stats and people will revisit the DH-only thing about Edgar and put him in since he was a better hitter than Ortiz. It might be the Veteran's Committee, but he'll get in.
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                              • Speedy
                                #Ace
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 16143

                                #1305
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                                You have Ichiro to look forward to.
                                So he'll play for what, one more season to reach 3000 hits in the majors?

                                His OPS has been putrid since the start of the 2011 season...not one over .700.
                                Originally posted by Gibson88
                                Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                                It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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