Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[rdnk]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Here are some names that we haven't talked about all that much...

Willie Randolph If Lou Whitaker can't get in, Randolph has no chance.

Dick Allen He had the peak years, but not the longevity.

Dwight Evans Hall of very good.

Norm Cash Only had 1 HOF caliber season.

Graig Nettles Falls into the same category with Willie Randolph, where lots of his value is tied up in his defense. Plus, despite the nearly 400 jacks, he only has a wRC+ of 111.

Jerry Koosman Hall of very good.

Mickey Lolich He had the peak years, but lacked longevity.

Any guys worthy of HoF here?

Guys with much of their value tied up in defense, like Randolph, Whitaker or Nettles will have a hard time. I'm sure people here could go into detail more.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran

Matt Holliday

Yadier Molina

Dustin Pedroia

Robinson Cano

Adrian Gonzalez

Joey Votto

David Wright

[dubcity]

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Without looking up stats, I would say yes to Molina and Pedroia. I'm sure people will rank them all by WAR to decide, but those two stand out to me.

[redsrule]

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Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran

Matt Holliday

Yadier Molina

Dustin Pedroia

Robinson Cano

Adrian Gonzalez

Joey Votto

David Wright

Of the ones you listed I think the only one with a good chance as of now is Beltran. Very good career and great during the postseason. Depending on how much longer they are productive, I think Cano, Votto, Wright and Pedroia have outside shots.

[doyce7]

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Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran

Matt Holliday

Yadier Molina

Dustin Pedroia

Robinson Cano

Adrian Gonzalez

Joey Votto

David Wright

Based on what's been done to this point, Beltran. Projecting forward Molina and MAYBE Pedroia

[redsrule]

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Without looking up stats, I would say yes to Molina and Pedroia. I'm sure people will rank them all by WAR to decide, but those two stand out to me.

I just don't see it with Molina. He's one of the best ever defensively, but was nowhere near good enough offensively to make it imo.

[Speedy]

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Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran

Matt Holliday

Yadier Molina

Dustin Pedroia

Robinson Cano

Adrian Gonzalez

Joey Votto

David Wright

It's hard to project players as we don't know how they'll perform...they could have sustained AS seasons well past their defined "prime" or lag years.

That said, if their careers ended today relative to others in the HOF I'd vote only for Yadi and (maybe 3rd or 4th time) David Wright with Pedroia a fringe guy (as I think part of his success is due to the David Ortiz in the same lineup behind him). I don't see any of the others as standout FEARED players for a sustained amount of time.

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Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran

Matt Holliday

Yadier Molina

Dustin Pedroia

Robinson Cano

Adrian Gonzalez

Joey Votto

David Wright

Absolutely

No

No

Outside chance

Yes

No

Outside chance

Outside chance

[rdnk]

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Any possible future HoFers in here? Some guys in the later parts of their careers and still contributing.

Carlos Beltran He has a good chance. I'd like to see if he can put up another good year or two. OF is tough.

Matt Holliday If he bounces back and continues to age well, then he has an outside chance, but right now I'd say no.

Yadier Molina If he somehow has a few years like 2011-2013, then maybe. But his career work with his bat isn't good enough.

Dustin Pedroia Depends how well he ages. Too much of his value may be tied up in defense.

Robinson Cano He has a stronger bat than Pedroia, which helps. If he is 2015 Cano moving forward, then no. If he puts up more years with a 140 wRC+ like he did from 2010-2014, then he has a chance.

Adrian Gonzalez The competition at 1B is too steep. Hall of very good.

Joey Votto Gonzo has the better counting stats, but Votto has the better line and is 1.5 years younger. Will most likely come up short as well.

David Wright He is on track. If he ages well, he will be in.

I was surprised at how strong Wright's chances are.

[Speedy]

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I do not understand any of y'awls logic that Yadi isn't a HOF.

[redsrule]

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I do not understand any of y'awls logic that Yadi isn't a HOF.

He has been an average hitter his whole career. Defense doesn't make him a hall of famer by itself.

[redsox4evur]

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He has been an average hitter his whole career. Defense doesn't make him a hall of famer by itself.

I disagree completely. Go compare Hall of Famer Ozzie Smith's hitting stats with those of Yadi.

It's strange how familiar their stats are to each other.

[Speedy]

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Absolutely, sox.

Yadi may not have been an AS with his bat (although I'd argue he was above average at his position), his work defensively and calling games have been a generational talent.

[redsox4evur]

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Absolutely, sox.

Yadi may not have been an AS with his bat (although I'd argue he was above average at his position), his work defensively and calling games have been a generational talent.

Yea he is a career .280ish hitter. 7 straight ASG games and Gold Gloves. He's won a silver slugger as well. And he is arguably the greatest defensive catcher I have ever seen. Between him and Pudge. But I lean towards Yadi.

[dubcity]

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I do not understand any of y'awls logic that Yadi isn't a HOF.

People taking WAR and offensive stats too much into account, with a position that is hard to break down statistically to begin with.


That said, Yadi is a lock to end up with offensive numbers on par with the average for HoF catchers in most categories. The range for a lot of those stats is all over the place, unsurprisingly, but he'll end up with the hits, AVG and runs, I think.