The Biogenesis/Suspension thread

[SPTO]

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DrJones basically expresses the opinion that I have on Braun. I mean, whoop de doo he accepts responsibility now?! After all this time coming across as a holier than thou person and then when he gets caught the first time he fights it tooth and nail?

Please, if you get caught you need to admit it, do the time and get it over with. You just make yourself look like a two faced A-hole like oh I dunno, Rafael Palmeiro.

[Brandon13]

This doesn't really change the fact that the collector dude ****ed up.

Yeah, he did **** up. We all know what that **** up was.

"There were a lot of things that we learned about the collector... that made us very concerned and very suspicious about what could have actually happened."

But then, what was it that Braun was referring to here?

[av7]

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Great. Not really relevant to what I said, but, you know, cool.


I resist the idea that the collector is some sort of victim here. He messed up and gave Braun the opportunity to use his screw up to get off.

I know that people **** up and that's fine, but when your job directly affects the livelihood, career, and reputation of other people you just can't. There's protocol for a reason, and considering the importance of the job if you mess it up it is a really big deal.

Braun played it off like it was all the collector, not that his piss was tainted because, you know, he was dirty. The smugness from that is enough to dislike him from my point.

I'd like to believe its karma that caught up to him but its just his stupidity that did him in

[roadman]

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DrJones basically expresses the opinion that I have on Braun. I mean, whoop de doo he accepts responsibility now?! After all this time coming across as a holier than thou person and then when he gets caught the first time he fights it tooth and nail?

Please, if you get caught you need to admit it, do the time and get it over with. You just make yourself look like a two faced A-hole like oh I dunno, Rafael Palmeiro.

McGwire, Sosa and all the others lied in front of Congress. And they've been in denial since.

Braun was wrong and lied the first time around and acted like a first class jerk, not denying that.

Over time, when people come clean, people have a tendency to forgive, but not forget. If people don't want to forgive later down the road, that's fine, too.

[SPTO]

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McGwire, Sosa and all the others lied in front of Congress. And they've been in denial since.

Braun was wrong and lied the first time around and acted like a first class jerk, not denying that.

Over time, if people come clean, people have a tendency to forgive, but not forget. If people don't want to forgive later down the road, that's fine, too.

Oh i'm sure in the end a lot of people will forgive him but as you say just as many won't forget and his name will be tarnished.

At least people like Pettitte and Giambi came out and said sorry. They got it over with as quickly as they could and thus they're forgiven and forgotten a lot easier than someone who doth protest too much.

[Bellsprout]

Yeah, he did **** up. We all know what that **** up was.

"There were a lot of things that we learned about the collector... that made us very concerned and very suspicious about what could have actually happened."

But then, what was it that Braun was referring to here?

Not sure.

I should probably be clearer here, I'm not even trying to defend Braun blasting the guy. Really, I'm not. But all of a sudden this collector is being treated by everyone like a puppy that got hit by a car when in reality the puppy probably should've never allowed himself to be in that position in the first place.

[roadman]

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That he kinda Lance Armstrong-ed the sample collector.

To lie to simply cover your own *** is one thing. It's not good, but not nearly as bad as attempting to ruin people in the continuance of the lie.

Media and MLB messed up, too.

If the media didn't break the story, (MLB has a confindential agreement with the players union that the news won't be leaked until after the appeals process is over) we woulnd't even be discussing Braun's first go around.

Just saying, more to pass the blame than Braun on the first go around.

[Jgainsey]

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McGwire, Sosa and all the others lied in front of Congress. And they've been in denial since.

Braun was wrong and lied the first time around and acted like a first class jerk, not denying that.

Over time, when people come clean, people have a tendency to forgive, but not forget. If people don't want to forgive later down the road, that's fine, too.

Sure... but none of the others had their own line of Affliction t-shirts.

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And in my book, that is something that can not be forgiven.

[Brandon13]

Not sure.

I should probably be clearer here, I'm not even trying to defend Braun blasting the guy. Really, I'm not. But all of a sudden this collector is being treated by everyone like a puppy that got hit by a car when in reality the puppy probably should've never allowed himself to be in that position in the first place.

I don't disagree. He screwed up.

But it was clear that his screw up was in keeping the sample at his home. There was every indication that the collector had not tampered with the sample, but had simply failed to follow proper protocol in storing the sample.

Braun and his team smeared the collector - even with the existence of his acknowledged screw up - by strongly inferring that the collector had maliciously altered the sample.

Clearly Braun knew the truth but chose instead to intentionally mislead the public and shift culpability for the positive test off of himself and onto the easiest target, the collector.

[slickdtc]

DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.


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[DrJones]

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Not sure.

I should probably be clearer here, I'm not even trying to defend Braun blasting the guy. Really, I'm not. But all of a sudden this collector is being treated by everyone like a puppy that got hit by a car when in reality the puppy probably should've never allowed himself to be in that position in the first place.

It's because Braun wasn't content to say "No comment" or "Protocol wasn't followed", because undoubtedly someone smarter than Braun pointed out to him that his ridiculously high count of synthetic testosterone couldn't be explained by the collector mishandling the sample in the way described.

The mishandling of the sample exonerated Braun legally, but the only thing that would exonerate him morally is if the handler or someone else intentionally sabotaged the sample. So Braun chose this route. Braun didn't say that the collector screwed up; he implied that the collector, for some nefarious yet mysterious reason, set him up. Big difference.

EDIT: Brandon13 beat me to it.

[gr18]

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It's nice to take lifes aggravations out on an athlete in cases like this but he wasn't the first by any stretch,won't be the last caught and certainly there has been and will be others that will never get caught.

I can't continue to love sports but play those kinds of mind games.I don't really care who does what.It's their bodies and they suffer the consequences.We care more about baseball because of the stats but the integrity in them has been long gone.

[G3no_11]

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What a ******. The MLB messed up by cutting him a deal. They needed to punish him a full 100 games at least. It would've made much more of a statement to all of the fans and the league.

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An oldie but a goodie:

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[skywalkah]

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My beef with the collector issue is that everyone wanted to focus on him, and Braun didn't help that whole thing. And, so long as he is denying it, I guess you can't really expect him to. It's not the collector's fault, per se, but MLB's practice and handling of these samples. It shouldn't have even been on this one guy to make sure this thing got shipped, as there should be multiple parties involved at all times for multiple reasons. I mean, can't argue that this guy holding on to this other guy's urine sample is beyond...something...but it's the fact that this sort of fell under the umbrella of collection practices as a whole.

I'm not suggesting that this thing should be locked in an aluminum briefcase, handcuffed to some guy's wrist, all while being escorted straight to the testing lab. But, well, maybe.

And it sucks that dude is cutting a deal of sorts, but MLB obviously wanted to nail him. Get that sorted and move on to the rest. In part, in my eyes, because of that whole fiasco leading in. Just determine his use, get the suspensions going, and focus in on the other cheaters.