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[Jr.]

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The specific reason I don't like the 3 batter rule is just that.

I don't like that you're forced to put in a pitcher to face what you assume are the next three batters but the offense is allowed to pinch hit.

If I bring in a lefty, set to face three lefty's, I hate that the offense can change their batters but the pitcher can't be swapped.

Now there's an interesting idea. Announcing pinch hitters 3 people ahead of time....

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[steelerfan]

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Now there's an interesting idea. Announcing pinch hitters 3 people ahead of time....

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Nah. The obvious solution is to put a man on 2nd and let the defense pick your PH.

/Manfred

[DamnYanks2]

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I mean the DH has always been unfair. Like how does that fly in the AL and not in the NL. How did that ever get passed lol? But I do get that watching pitchers hit is boring as hell too. The game evolves.

I guess the dh in both leagues makes it more balanced. But it was always unique the NL and AL were different.

I thought the game was always perfect the way it was. Apparently others didn't feel that way. MLB let other influences get in their ears and caved.

I miss the non juiced baseballs and the deeper dimensions in ballparks. When you could railroad the catcher and take out the 2B in a slide. But it's still pretty great. But it was better. But this has happened in all sports.







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[KSUowls]

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I respect your opinion and in no way am I saying you are wrong. I just look at it differently in regards to the every player should have to do everything.

If that's the case, no PH should be allowed and all 25 on your roster should have to pitch. If a guy can come in to PH to improve the matchup for the offense, the defense should be able to make a like move.

A pitcher didn't get to the Majors because he can hit and a position player didn't make it to the Majors because he can pitch. Much like a LG didn't make it to the NFL because he can kick field goals. No one would be in favor of a system that forces all 53 players to share kicking duties in the NFL.

That said, I'm good with the DH but would prefer to keep it in the AL only (and get rid of Interleague play). I don't like the 3-batter rule but I accept it for pace of play.

Just my opinion, I'm mostly indifferent to all of it.

I see what you're getting at, to be honest the logic is misplaced. The DH does not replicate substitutions that we see in other sports for specialty roles. It's actually the most unique "substitution" rule of any of the major sports.

There are multiple examples we can use in the NFL thanks to the various positions. Of course you're not going to ask Tom Brady to kick field goals simply because he's on the roster or playing most of the game, but if you do bring your kicker out then that means you are choosing to use your offensive possession to do something other than attempt a pass with your quarterback. If you bring in extra defensive backs on defense then that means you are choosing to reduce your ability to defend the run in favor of trying to defend the pass. In basketball you might decide to pull your best big man so that you can run more fast break or better defend the perimeter, but in doing so you're giving up rebounding and that inside presence. A hockey team may pull a goalie or put a 4th forward in to replace a defensemen to try and get more offense, but both strategies severely weaken their defense.

These "substitutions" in other sports are because players have a certain skill set to match what a team wants to do strategically, but they all have some form of drawback. The DH is truly unique in that it has no drawback. It's very design is to mask the weakness of a player and reduce the number of decisions that a team has to make.

[TheMatrix31]

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Tedious, specific rules like this (especially ones crafted to solve problems that don't exist) shouldn't dictate how teams are allowed to use their players. It shouldn't be up to the rules to determine how a manager sees fit to use the players that are selected to fill their roster. If I have a player I want to use a roster spot on that does Specific Task Here, that's on my team's roster management and nobody else. Only basic, structural rules. X amount on your roster. 9 players play, the same 9 bat. That type of thing.

Me personally I don't agree with having "specialists" take up roster spots but it's not my place to say that another team shouldn't if that's what they want. If they want one bench hitter and the rest pitchers, so be it. And I thought people were super totally gaga about creating jobs for players they might otherwise not have them? And is it shortening game lengths? I know seven inning doubleheaders are!

The three batter rule is stupid.

Most of the feelings about these rules don't just happen to go away with time, as some people magically expect. Because the fundamental basis for the dislike remains the same. I can't even recall the last rule/structure change that I "like now" or whatever or even like in any real capacity. They've all held pretty strongly with their idiocy. Will have to think if there's been anything. I like instant replay. I think replay should be expanded in all sports. "Hey, this was wrong you garbage *** umpire/ref. Take another look you blind ****." That's perfectly OK with me. Seems like the failures with replay are ego driven more than anything. The reluctance to admit something was called incorrectly to begin with, etc.

And the worst rule of all time, with the "hey you just start with a runner cool!" has been a complete affront to all sensibilities. I've barely been watching and I've noticed multiple game results determined by this cockamamie clown show amateur hour delegitimizing bull****. Completely and utterly embarrassing. I tried explaining the result of the Cubs/Pirates game from a few days back to my dad who's a 70 year old middle eastern man who doesn't really understand but is willing to learn about baseball and he found it completely absurd that such a thing would even exist. Hey though, way to make new fans! Baseball isn't poker. We don't need blinds.

[Caulfield]

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An interesting poll would be this, in my opinion.

- I like DH and 3-batter rule
- I like DH but not 3-batter rule
- I like 3-batter rule but not DH
- I dislike them both


I wonder if guys that like the DH are generally more accepting of the 3-batter rule. [emoji848]

I'd like the DH to be AL only. I'd have also liked the 3 batter minimum to remain in hell, which is how they play baseball there, I'm pretty sure, along with 7 inning doubleheaders and automatic baserunners in extra frames.

[DamnYanks2]

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I hate the 7 inning doubleheaders and the extra inning rule. That **** is terrible.

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[Caulfield]

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I hate the 7 inning doubleheaders and the extra inning rule. That **** is terrible.

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I mean, I get why they're doing it, what with the Corona Monster not rearing it's ugly head until after the 7th inning.

[Blzer]

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I mean, I get why they're doing it, what with the Corona Monster not rearing it's ugly head until after the 7th inning.

Yes, but if the virus is hypothetically wiped out in November, there will be questions regarding why they would ever revert back to nine innings afterward when the thing they put in here is "less taxing on the rosters."

Why seven innings? Why not six? Five? Why even play the other game??

[Majingir]

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Now it sinks in even more.

Just checked my bank account and saw the ticketmaster refund.

Makes me sad thinking what I had planned for end of summer that's not happening.

Renting a cottage for a week and then once I come back, go to Jays game a few days after. Was gomma be a fun end of summer.

[Caulfield]

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Now it sinks in even more.

Just checked my bank account and saw the ticketmaster refund.


Makes me sad thinking what I had planned for end of summer that's not happening.


Renting a cottage for a week and then once I come back, go to Jays game a few days after. Was gomma be a fun end of summer.

wait'll the Jays are still playing into the fall, October and the postseason. if Toronto winds up with the whole ball of wax and are last man standing, talk about your bittersweet

[DamnYanks2]

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I think MLB has been wanting to experiment with these new rules for a while. Corona is just an excuse. Whats two more innings in a season shortened by 102 games?

It's extreme overkill. At one point these things would have been blasphemous. And now its become the norm.

Thats why people get so nervous about a little change because it starts a slippery slope and ends in madness.



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[Majingir]

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wait'll the Jays are still playing into the fall, October and the postseason. if Toronto winds up with the whole ball of wax and are last man standing, talk about your bittersweet

Will suck to win with no fans, but a win is a win. Winning doesn't just impact this season, it will impact things in future too, so I'd rather win with no fans than hope for a win somewhere down the road.

[Blzer]

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I think MLB has been wanting to experiment with these new rules for a while. Corona is just an excuse. Whats two more innings in a season shortened by 102 games?

It's extreme overkill. At one point these things would have been blasphemous. And now its become the norm.

Thats why people get so nervous about a little change because it starts a slippery slope and ends in madness.



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Exactly. The slippery slope began a long time ago. We are now sliding down it.

I'm not sure how the shifting restriction conversation hasn't made it in yet, though. For those who are aware, I don't want it completely eradicated, I just want some minor sense of balance/normalcy within the extremeness that we see. If they ended up going to the extent firming positions way too much, that would be a bit of a problem as well.

[countryboy]

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The specific reason I don't like the 3 batter rule is just that.

I don't like that you're forced to put in a pitcher to face what you assume are the next three batters but the offense is allowed to pinch hit.

If I bring in a lefty, set to face three lefty's, I hate that the offense can change their batters but the pitcher can't be swapped.

but prior to the 3 batter rule the "unfairness" was placed on the offense.

Once a pinch hitter was announced the pitching team could make a pitching change without the offense being allowed to counter.