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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #11536
    Re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by SPTO
    David Wright is the Mets version of Don Mattingly in many ways.

    Oh what could've been!

    Mets championship incoming.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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    • areobee401
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2006
      • 16771

      #11537
      Re: MLB Off-Topic

      Will forever remember his performance in the 2013 World Baseball Classic. Always stuck in my mind for some reason.
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      • redsox4evur
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2013
        • 18169

        #11538
        Re: MLB Off-Topic

        The service time thing has been an issue for at least 3/4 years (the earliest big stink I can remember was with Bryant back in 2015) and the players did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to fight for these rights 2 years ago when they negotiated a new CBA. Safe to say when negotiations start again in 2022 or whenever they happen the same thing will happen again. The MLBPA will once again do nothing to fight for shorter team rights because they (the 32/33+ year old guys) know that their earnings will get shot down the sewer.
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        • Jr.
          Playgirl Coverboy
          • Feb 2003
          • 19171

          #11539
          Re: MLB Off-Topic

          Originally posted by redsox4evur
          The MLBPA will once again do nothing to fight for shorter team rights because they (the 32/33+ year old guys) know that their earnings will get shot down the sewer.
          That just happened this year, so they might be more aware of what's going on and want something to change.
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          • Sportsforever
            NL MVP
            • Mar 2005
            • 20368

            #11540
            Re: MLB Off-Topic

            IMO, the issue is that Player A gets affected by this as a 20-21 year old prospect. Acuna is held back to gain an extra year of service time for his team, etc. Then, by the time this comes up again, Player A is now on the other side of the fence and realizes that if he goes to bat for the prospect it will cost him money on this end. He thinks "I paid my dues when I was at that point...said prospect can do the same". Rinse and repeat, the cycle continues.

            Honestly, I don't know that it is much different than any other industry...people with more service time are always going to get paid more than someone who is newer, regardless of talent level. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but they are going to be rare.
            "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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            • Master Live 013
              Hall Of Fame
              • Oct 2013
              • 12327

              #11541
              Re: MLB Off-Topic

              Originally posted by Jr.
              That just happened this year, so they might be more aware of what's going on and want something to change.
              Exactly, the old guys aren't getting payed anyway. So might as well let someone make the money, even if it is the young guys.
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              • BigOscar
                MVP
                • May 2016
                • 2971

                #11542
                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                I know journalists love saying things that are controversial to get interest, but Buster olney is genuinely claiming that Josh Hader should be in the NL MVP conversation. Just mental, he's not even been the best reliever on his own team ffs

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                • The Kid 24
                  It's Show Time!
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 14762

                  #11543
                  Re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by BigOscar
                  I know journalists love saying things that are controversial to get interest, but Buster olney is genuinely claiming that Josh Hader should be in the NL MVP conversation. Just mental, he's not even been the best reliever on his own team ffs
                  I love Jeffress, but Buster is right... Josh should be in MVP discussion.

                  That 15.7 K/9 is the reason why.
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                  • BigOscar
                    MVP
                    • May 2016
                    • 2971

                    #11544
                    Re: MLB Off-Topic

                    Originally posted by The Kid 24
                    I love Jeffress, but Buster is right... Josh should be in MVP discussion.

                    That 15.7 K/9 is the reason why.
                    Strikeouts are pretty much a completely meaningless stat. Not giving up runs is the most important thing, regardless of how you get the people out.

                    70 innings of 2 ERA baseball is excellent, you're doing a very useful job for your team, but it's genuinely not remotely MVP worthy, or even Cy Young worthy, no matter how many guys you struck out in the process. Tbh there is pretty much nothing a reliever could do to make me think they were MVP, they just don't contribute enough compared to position players, or even starters.

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                    • The Kid 24
                      It's Show Time!
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 14762

                      #11545
                      Re: MLB Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by BigOscar
                      Strikeouts are pretty much a completely meaningless stat. Not giving up runs is the most important thing, regardless of how you get the people out.

                      70 innings of 2 ERA baseball is excellent, you're doing a very useful job for your team, but it's genuinely not remotely MVP worthy, or even Cy Young worthy, no matter how many guys you struck out in the process. Tbh there is pretty much nothing a reliever could do to make me think they were MVP, they just don't contribute enough compared to position players, or even starters.
                      You make great points!

                      I'll have to go check out the article.
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                      • BigOscar
                        MVP
                        • May 2016
                        • 2971

                        #11546
                        Re: MLB Off-Topic

                        I might be getting slightly grumpy as strikeouts have become a major bugbear of mine. We are apparently in a world where for hitters, strikeouts are seen as irrelevant, no big deal, just an out like any other. But for pitchers, strikeouts are great, worth far more than any other kind of out.

                        The truth almost certainly lies somewhere in between, but both definitely can't be true!

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                        • WaitTilNextYear
                          Go Cubs Go
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 16830

                          #11547
                          Re: MLB Off-Topic

                          Originally posted by BigOscar
                          I know journalists love saying things that are controversial to get interest, but Buster olney is genuinely claiming that Josh Hader should be in the NL MVP conversation. Just mental, he's not even been the best reliever on his own team ffs
                          Olney is no Tim Kurkjian.

                          Olney, Stark, Crasnick, Neyer, Schoenfield all pretty dim bulbs, imo. ESPN has never had much in the way of baseball writing/reporting talent.
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                          • BigOscar
                            MVP
                            • May 2016
                            • 2971

                            #11548
                            Re: MLB Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            Olney is no Tim Kurkjian.

                            Olney, Stark, Crasnick, Neyer, Schoenfield all pretty dim bulbs, imo. ESPN has never had much in the way of baseball writing/reporting talent.
                            I think it's the fanboy-ness of olney and ESPN in general that annoys me. I get that baseball needs to promote it's stars, but they are so overboard it's cringeworthy. Their bias towards their friends in the game is pretty pathetic as well, they frequently appear to be PR guys more than journalists when certain players and managers are involved.

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                            • Jr.
                              Playgirl Coverboy
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 19171

                              #11549
                              Re: MLB Off-Topic

                              I wish so much that Ohtani could've stayed healthy. I hope the Angels figure out how to utilize him as a pitcher and hitter more adeptly in the future.

                              Injuries and lost playing time may make it seem like we’ve been cheated out of the gift we thought we were getting, but the Angels phenom has actually done everything except solve elbow injuries
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                              • Majingir
                                Moderator
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 47436

                                #11550
                                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by SPTO
                                I would not be surprised if their AA manager John Schneider gets the job or is in the final group before they make the decision. He's familiar with most, if not all of the young guys coming up and is a younger guy who fits in with the SABR type stuff. I would love it if he got the job but either way it's going to be a younger guy who can communicate well with the younger generation.
                                Even better news for John Schneider, the Fisher Cats won the Eastern Championship, going perfect in the playoffs. This after he and his team won the Florida State League championship last season. So this group is really one to look out for in the future.

                                Vlad wasn't even part of the team either since he got called up to AAA earlier in season and is heading to the AFL.

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