2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

[DrJones]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

I don't understand why we base every other salary in professional sports on the annual amount and yet baseball now gets talked about at an Overall Amount. Sure Vladdy may not be worth $450MM but he is for sure worth $30MM - $40MM per year. So $450MM over 12-15 years is fine.

My best guess it's because baseball is the only one of the "Big Four" that a.) has no salary cap and b.) free agents get big money on a long-term deal. MLB is the only sport where superstars regularly reach free agency and get a huge windfall.

NFL: Superstars like Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, despite playing in "small markets" are pretty much locked into their market and salary.

NBA: Superstars sign short-term, big money deals and typically switch teams by demanding trades. When they do go elsewhere, it's all about a team's market/climate and contender status, not money.

NHL: The league's biggest star, Connor McDavid, will almost certainly re-sign in its 2nd smallest, least-desirable market (Edmonton). Even if he was hell-bent on leaving, he'd only get 7 years and maybe 105-110 million total.

MLB: The biggest stars almost always reach free agency and are subject to bidding wars, with no limit on salary or term. The last 3 offseasons have involved baseball's 3 biggest stars up for grabs! Everybody knows what Patrick Mahomes and Steph Curry are going to make. "Jayson Tatum re-signs with Celtics for 315M, biggest contract in NBA history" = BORING. "Juan Soto spurns Yankees for Mets, signs forever for all the money" = EXCITING (or sickening, depending on your POV).

[Majingir]

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My best guess it's because baseball is the only one of the "Big Four" that a.) has no salary cap and b.) free agents get big money on a long-term deal. MLB is the only sport where superstars regularly reach free agency and get a huge windfall.



NFL: Superstars like Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, despite playing in "small markets" are pretty much locked into their market and salary.



NBA: Superstars sign short-term, big money deals and typically switch teams by demanding trades. When they do go elsewhere, it's all about a team's market/climate and contender status, not money.



NHL: The league's biggest star, Connor McDavid, will almost certainly re-sign in its 2nd smallest, least-desirable market (Edmonton). Even if he was hell-bent on leaving, he'd only get 7 years and maybe 105-110 million total.



MLB: The biggest stars almost always reach free agency and are subject to bidding wars, with no limit on salary or term. The last 3 offseasons have involved baseball's 3 biggest stars up for grabs! Everybody knows what Patrick Mahomes and Steph Curry are going to make. "Jayson Tatum re-signs with Celtics for 315M, biggest contract in NBA history" = BORING. "Juan Soto spurns Yankees for Mets, signs forever for all the money" = EXCITING (or sickening, depending on your POV).

The way I see it

NFL: Top players typically stay with their teams and the teams will pay them or get creative/defer money or franchise tag and so on. I don't find specific markets that players want to go to or avoid

NBA: Guys will get the max no matter what, players have way too much power to pick and choose where they go because of that, with the emphasis being on the "bright lights, big city" where certain markets are more desirable than others, and guys don't usually lock in with long term deals.

NHL: Almost the opposite of the NBA. Nobody's "maxing out", but guys will get similar offers from teams, and guys usually sign longer deals. The difference here is that guys prefer the "dim lights, small city" where they're not in the spotlight by fans or media, with an emphasis on playing in tax free states.

MLB: No contract limits so guys sign as big a deal as possible no matter where the offer comes from. Some factors like state taxes and family can also play a factor, but it's easier to "take a paycut" when you're deciding between 35m or 30m for instance if that difference means less taxes and/or closer to home.

[Master Live 013]

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Random thought: I expect owners to restrict or outright ban deferred money in contracts on the next CBA.

[Majingir]

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For all the talk of Jays/Vladdy and an extension, they at least agreed to a deal and avoided arbitration.

More surprising part, they settled at a number lower than his projected arbitration number.

Perhaps some of these rumors out there really are being blown out of proportion? If he agreed to a lower deal this season, maybe the number they'll agree to beyond this might be reasonable.

Or maybe this will wind up like the Leafs where maybe you could've worked out some deal and front load it for a season where you might not be contending and have more money to spare later on.

[countryboy]

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The Cardinals have wasted two months of this offseason trying to find a trade partner for Nolan Arenado. And now, its unlikely that he is traded.

This is absolutely embarrassing.

[countryboy]

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Pete Alonso has reportedly put a 3 year deal with opt outs on the table for the Mets. I'm thinking a reunion is likely.

[Majingir]

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Phillies signed Jays closer Jordan Romano a while back

Jays now sign Phillies reliever Jeff Hoffman

[reyes the roof]

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Pete Alonso has reportedly put a 3 year deal with opt outs on the table for the Mets. I'm thinking a reunion is likely.

I wouldn't take that if I'm the Mets, I'd want at least two years before he can opt out. If he wants to have the option of testing free agency again next year give him a one year deal

[LegendKillerOne]

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I wouldn't take that if I'm the Mets, I'd want at least two years before he can opt out. If he wants to have the option of testing free agency again next year give him a one year deal

We want him to opt out after one year so we can make a big offer to Vlad Jr, I am hoping we sign him, he has a huge year and opts out after 1.


On another note should hear in a few days Sasaki to the Dodgers ending a long waste of time process.

[DrJones]

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We want him to opt out after one year so we can make a big offer to Vlad Jr, I am hoping we sign him, he has a huge year and opts out after 1.

It hasn't taken long for Jays fans to go from title aspirations to just hoping that Vladdy ends up with someone other than the Yankees or Red Sox. Bleak.

[reyes the roof]

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Sasaki sweepstakes is down to the Dodgers, Padres, and Blue Jays

[Majingir]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Sasaki sweepstakes is down to the Dodgers, Padres, and Blue Jays

On another note should hear in a few days Sasaki to the Dodgers ending a long waste of time process.

So basically this

[bhurst99]

Re: 2024-2025 Hot Stove Thread

Sasaki sweepstakes is down to the Dodgers, Padres, and Blue Jays

Of course the Jays are in there. They're finalists on everybody. Ridiculous.

[Master Live 013]

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Agents keep using the Jays to jack up prices.

[LegendKillerOne]

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Agents keep using the Jays to jack up prices.

Well with Sasaki money is not really an object as they can only use International Money and its capped for everyone to a certain degree. I am hoping he picks anyone but the Dodgers as they seem to have cornered the entire market on Japanese Players