2013 Atlanta Braves Thread

[decga]

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Seeing B-Mac in a Yankees uniform today made me sad.

Me too. I want to be mad, but I can't. The one thing that really pissed me off quite frankly,B-Mac saying he want to help them win championships. Well good luck with that! I am not blaming for any of our Braves post season failures during the last 8-9 years.

He could have left a mark cementing his legacy in Atlanta. But he went 0-15 in division series. `

[DonkeyJote]

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I feel like I'm the only one who isn't upset about Mac leaving. I'd rather have Gattis who is younger with more upside. He's also coming off three years with production that has fallen off. I never saw him as a Brave lifer. I much more upset at losing Huddy.

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[thefakeJTS]

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Sports Authority had B-Mac jerseys on clearance for 40 bucks so my girlfriend picked one up for me!

That's the best part of the sad departure haha

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[Sportsforever]

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Anyone else wondering what they heck we're doing? I fully expected to see at least SOMETHING done by now…I mean, does anyone expect that Uggla is going to be back after they left him off the post-season roster? We lose Hudson and Mac…and get no one. Really odd offseason so far.

[DonkeyJote]

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Anyone else wondering what they heck we're doing? I fully expected to see at least SOMETHING done by now…I mean, does anyone expect that Uggla is going to be back after they left him off the post-season roster? We lose Hudson and Mac…and get no one. Really odd offseason so far.

Actually, I do expect Uggla back. I don't see how they're going to get anyone to take him with the Braves eating a VAST majority of his salary. Dumping him will save at most, $4 million a year. The rest is a sunk cost. Uggla obviously isn't worth $13 million. But is a player with a .213/.323/.727 line over the last three years worth $4 million? Maybe. And he's still a better player than Elliot Johnson or Pastornicky. The only remaining free agent 2B that would represent a true upgrade over Uggla would be Infante, and I don't him being worth the probably close to $30 million over 3 years he'll probably get. I don't think Brandon Phillips, he of the $10 million salary and .320 career OBP, is the right fit either.

Without a true upgrade, I don't think the approximate $4 million in savings is worth trading Uggla. Let's say he repeats his 2013 season. Then you spent about $4 million to see that, and you can make a move in the summer, or hopefully someone will have emerged to take his spot (maybe try BJ Upton there if his bat comes alive, and you found a productive OF'er like Schafer was most of last year). What if he's better, though? What if he's the 2.7 WAR player he was 2012. Surely that's worth $4 million, especially considering the money Infante (probably around $9 million a year for 2.4 WAR) is likely to get, and what Phillips makes ($10 million for 1.7 WAR). If the Braves want to win a Championship, which should be the goal, they have to take chances. They don't have the revenue to go with sure things all the time. Keeping Uggla is a big risk. But the upside on him is much bigger than anyone else available. And the money is sunk anyway. Even if he's a 3 win player, that's probably better than anything else we can get. And in the off chance (and it's a very small chance) he goes back to his Marlins production? Then he's suddenly the best 2B in the NL again.

[TheMatrix31]

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Braves always do things out of nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised to wake up and see something completely outta the blue. Hopefully it's something involving Uggla, but yeah.

[thefakeJTS]

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I really want to the Braves to swipe in and sign Roy Halladay. If healthy, that's the guy that opposing hitters are going to fear in the playoffs.

[Sportsforever]

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Actually, I do expect Uggla back. I don't see how they're going to get anyone to take him with the Braves eating a VAST majority of his salary. Dumping him will save at most, $4 million a year. The rest is a sunk cost. Uggla obviously isn't worth $13 million. But is a player with a .213/.323/.727 line over the last three years worth $4 million? Maybe. And he's still a better player than Elliot Johnson or Pastornicky. The only remaining free agent 2B that would represent a true upgrade over Uggla would be Infante, and I don't him being worth the probably close to $30 million over 3 years he'll probably get. I don't think Brandon Phillips, he of the $10 million salary and .320 career OBP, is the right fit either.

Without a true upgrade, I don't think the approximate $4 million in savings is worth trading Uggla. Let's say he repeats his 2013 season. Then you spent about $4 million to see that, and you can make a move in the summer, or hopefully someone will have emerged to take his spot (maybe try BJ Upton there if his bat comes alive, and you found a productive OF'er like Schafer was most of last year). What if he's better, though? What if he's the 2.7 WAR player he was 2012. Surely that's worth $4 million, especially considering the money Infante (probably around $9 million a year for 2.4 WAR) is likely to get, and what Phillips makes ($10 million for 1.7 WAR). If the Braves want to win a Championship, which should be the goal, they have to take chances. They don't have the revenue to go with sure things all the time. Keeping Uggla is a big risk. But the upside on him is much bigger than anyone else available. And the money is sunk anyway. Even if he's a 3 win player, that's probably better than anything else we can get. And in the off chance (and it's a very small chance) he goes back to his Marlins production? Then he's suddenly the best 2B in the NL again.

Oh, I get all that…it's just the way Uggla was talking I didn't think there is anyway you can bring him back. That was such a STUPID move anyway to leave him off. I honestly would like to have him back…I think getting his eyes fixed and coming in with a new perspective could mean a better year. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing him go either. I keep thinking we could maneuver a trade involving him and Phillips. I know Phillips best offensive days are behind him, but he'd be a huge upgrade with the glove (him and Simmons up the middle would be fun) and he's better with the bat at this point than Uggla.

Anyway…I'm just looking for SOMETHING to be done. They are obviously going to do something, just not sure what at this point.

[LowerWolf]

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I'm not sure what there is to do. Yeah, we lost Huddy and Mac. But we knew we were likely going to lose them. We've already got in-house replacements for them.

If we can trade Uggla, great. But how much money are we going to have to eat? His value is so low, it may be better to keep him and see if he can turn it around.

Phillips? He has four more years on his deal at more than $12M per year. No thanks. Halladay? He's not an ace anymore. I'm not even sure he's got anything left.

We're stuck with B.J.'s lousy contract. And we need to keep some cash free for arbitration and down the line. I'd like to keep Freeman and Heyward, among others when they come up.

[DonkeyJote]

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Phillips is better defensively. Offensively, I'd say it's pretty negligible. And Uggla is making $26.4 mill over two years. Phillips makes $50 mill over the next 4. No thank you. That'd mean that in 2016-17, when they'll need to resign Heyward, Justin Upton, Venters, Beachy, Freeman, and Kimbrel, they'd have almost $30 million tied up in 35 year old Phillips and 32 year old BJ.

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[Sportsforever]

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Phillips is better defensively. Offensively, I'd say it's pretty negligible. And Uggla is making $26.4 mill over two years. Phillips makes $50 mill over the next 4. No thank you. That'd mean that in 2016-17, when they'll need to resign Heyward, Justin Upton, Venters, Beachy, Freeman, and Kimbrel, they'd have almost $30 million tied up in 35 year old Phillips and 32 year old BJ.

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Right…and I think that by standing pat they will be just as good if not better. BJ can't be that bad again, right? If Uggla bounces back just a little bit and Heyward/Upton have healthy years we are better by default.

That said, I kind of was hoping they'd sale high on Chris Johnson, maybe in a package with Uggla. I'm fine with keeping Johnson, but I think it's very unrealistic to expect the same production out of him.

[DonkeyJote]

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Right…and I think that by standing pat they will be just as good if not better. BJ can't be that bad again, right? If Uggla bounces back just a little bit and Heyward/Upton have healthy years we are better by default.

That said, I kind of was hoping they'd sale high on Chris Johnson, maybe in a package with Uggla. I'm fine with keeping Johnson, but I think it's very unrealistic to expect the same production out of him.

Yeah, his babip was unreal if I recall. Is there another solid internal option there, though?

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[decga]

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Anyone else wondering what they heck we're doing? I fully expected to see at least SOMETHING done by now…I mean, does anyone expect that Uggla is going to be back after they left him off the post-season roster? We lose Hudson and Mac…and get no one. Really odd offseason so far.

Hey the Braves are saving money for their new stadium that they'll own. Think about it they won 96 games without the assistance of the big money players last year. They think they can be competitive.

[decga]

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It really didn't make any sense to alienate Uggla for the Division series by leaving him off the roster. If they were not going to trade him. I dont think Fredi had a hand in decision. It was a you go alone or move alone type of deal for the manager. Uggla is a package deal with Fredi. Fredi became manager they traded and signed Uggla.

I was looking at his stats. His overall production has declined every year for the last three years in Atlanta. Its not the first this has happen, but its baseball.....

[DonkeyJote]

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It really didn't make any sense to alienate Uggla for the Division series by leaving him off the roster. If they were not going to trade him. I dont think Fredi had a hand in decision. It was a you go alone or move alone type of deal for the manager. Uggla is a package deal with Fredi. Fredi became manager they traded and signed Uggla.

I was looking at his stats. His overall production has declined every year for the last three years in Atlanta. Its not the first this has happen, but its baseball.....

His WAR and OBP both improved in 2012 over 2011. The only thing that regressed was power (which largely returned this year). I don't think it's an age thing with him offensively.

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