2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

[FloorGeneral]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I know you are doing this respectfully, but are antagonistic, ultimatum posts like this really necessary? I get where you're coming from. Don't get me wrong. But the best thing about this thread was how the back and forth was all driving toward one ultimate goal: making the mode better for EVERYONE. And some sacrifices are needed on both sides. This thread is very informative about the process. Sounds to me like the guys working on this stuff are just like the rest of us. So, I would think it is safe to assume their goal is not to take anything away from anyone. Why would they make a game they wouldn't want to play? If they won't play it, why would they assume you would?

But, this thread is the reason I love to come to OS. Direct interaction with the people that make the game. As long as the posters remain respectful, fair, and open minded, we will continue to get these interactions.


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"Antagonistic, ultimatum posts like this".

For one, I didn't feel, nor was my post antagonistic at all. I am glad you added "respectfully", cause I felt that my post was very respectful. As far as ultimatums, I'm not in any position to make an ultimatum. I'm .0000000000000000000000000000001% (with I'm sure a few more zeroes) of the ppl that buy the game. However, I DO buy the game, so I feel that if there's no reason for me to buy it, then I simply won't buy it.

If you wanna be realistic, 2K is actually the one's making the ultimatum. They took away the one mode I played (Association), and re-created it adding a bunch of stuff that I have no interest in partaking in. Obviously there are a ton of ppl out there that are excited by this, but I am not, yet I have no choice in this matter: I either play MyGM, or I don't. There's the ultimatum.

And I agree, it's great when we get to interact with the Devs. And the fact that he was honest is awesome to me (which I pointed out in my above post). It just sucks (for me) that the game seems to be moving in a direction that's basically useless to me. But that's my problem.

[mostoriginal]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

"Antagonistic, ultimatum posts like this".

For one, I didn't feel, nor was my post antagonistic at all. I am glad you added "respectfully", cause I felt that my post was very respectful. As far as ultimatums, I'm not in any position to make an ultimatum. I'm .0000000000000000000000000000001% (with I'm sure a few more zeroes) of the ppl that buy the game. However, I DO buy the game, so I feel that if there's no reason for me to buy it, then I simply won't buy it.

If you wanna be realistic, 2K is actually the one's making the ultimatum. They took away the one mode I played (Association), and re-created it adding a bunch of stuff that I have no interest in partaking in. Obviously there are a ton of ppl out there that are excited by this, but I am not, yet I have no choice in this matter: I either play MyGM, or I don't. There's the ultimatum.

And I agree, it's great when we get to interact with the Devs. And the fact that he was honest is awesome to me (which I pointed out in my above post). It just sucks (for me) that the game seems to be moving in a direction that's basically useless to me. But that's my problem.

I actually think myGM could be great with tweaks. I used to always play association too but I like the "interactions" makes me feel like I'm a part of the team I'm controlling BUT the VC is killing it. During free agency I can't convince no big names because it'll cost 1200 to use one skill to attempt to get them to sign for less or whatever. sending players to training camp another 1200! trying to get a long with the coach but when he asks for stuff and you have no vc you have to say no. It messes this whole thing up. EVERYTHING is Vc in this game. A headband alone is like 1000 vc


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[Melbournelad]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I actually think myGM could be great with tweaks. I used to always play association too but I like the "interactions" makes me feel like I'm a part of the team I'm controlling BUT the VC is killing it. During free agency I can't convince no big names because it'll cost 1200 to use one skill to attempt to get them to sign for less or whatever. sending players to training camp another 1200! trying to get a long with the coach but when he asks for stuff and you have no vc you have to say no. It messes this whole thing up. EVERYTHING is Vc in this game. A headband alone is like 1000 vc


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Exactly. The issue isn't adding conversations and in depth management of finances etc. I think those are both very solid additions. The problem is they introduced it without fixing any of the old issues, and forcing VC into every aspect of the mode, leaving MyGM unplayable this year.

[bamalam]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I know you are doing this respectfully, but are antagonistic, ultimatum posts like this really necessary? I get where you're coming from. Don't get me wrong. But the best thing about this thread was how the back and forth was all driving toward one ultimate goal: making the mode better for EVERYONE. And some sacrifices are needed on both sides. This thread is very informative about the process. Sounds to me like the guys working on this stuff are just like the rest of us. So, I would think it is safe to assume their goal is not to take anything away from anyone. Why would they make a game they wouldn't want to play? If they won't play it, why would they assume you would?

But, this thread is the reason I love to come to OS. Direct interaction with the people that make the game. As long as the posters remain respectful, fair, and open minded, we will continue to get these interactions.


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I see nothing wrong with his post, he speaks truth.

Posts like these are absolutely necessary to communicate to 2k many of us will be opting out of a game whose goal is to control how we play, but want us to contribute our annual $60 and then VC us to death.

Your kumbaya type post is what will have 2k going full blast into the new VC world of basketball fairy world of mYGM.

they have just put out a fantasy bball game that many of us do not want to play.
They have just stated they have removed options to control how we play.
they have just stated the menu is too difficult to add back in on/off options.

why do you assume their goal is to not take anything away? they have taken out most modes/options/roster saves/editing/etc

The interactions are fine, but they are basically telling us they are progressing further into the VC design choice.

Its hilarious/sad seeing these "send us these ideas guys" posts for ideas that seem like common sense as to how NBA would work for trades, morale, fa, rotations,etc.
Seriously, these issues make the game unplayable , and they just took out any reasonable work-arounds BY CONSCIOUS DESIGN.-with no plans to bring them back.
Assuming they are genuinely trying to improve the MYGM mode, but they add in VC needed to change your rotation?That is type of conscious design choice that turn people off.


Again- high praises to leftos for his past community contributions,

but his, and other dudes posts in here are apparent they have no plans to include OPTIONS, for consumers. They are going to keep building on a flawed system. they are not going back to options any time soon unless consumers speak out and start speaking by opting not to purchase a game going in the wrong direction, IMO

Maybe the 2k gameplay guys see their great on court game getting trashed by the VC world guys and take the skills elsewhere and give us an option to buy something else.

gotta be some guys there that think all the VC is bad.

[petz_e]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

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gotta be some guys there that think all the VC is bad.

It should be quite clear that the decision to include micro-transactions or even to cut content in favour of paid DLC (in other games) does not come from the developpers. These decisions come from the suits higher up. Pretty much always, these people are not developpers, they are not gamers. They are business men, economists, they know how to run a company, and all they care is their checkbooks.


It the job of the marketing deparments to make sure that they get the most bucks for their products. And all means are regarded as justified.

[bamalam]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

It should be quite clear that the decision to include micro-transactions or even to cut content in favour of paid DLC (in other games) does not come from the developpers. These decisions come from the suits higher up. Pretty much always, these people are not developpers, they are not gamers. They are business men, economists, they know how to run a company, and all they care is their checkbooks.


It the job of the marketing departments to make sure that they get the most bucks for their products. And all means are regarded as justified.

yeah- i am well-versed in accounting principles

i mean bad to the point of leaving 2k and starting new-

[bamalam]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

To leftos and crew-

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-18m-look.html

more issue for you -

seriously, as an option-you need to add back VC free CLASSIC ASSOCIATION- 30 team control - would be welcome as is from ps3/360 2k14 -could get in in by 2k15

marketing-ld2k and Ronnie- could go crazy and you would have OS boards blowup with praise for the game.

you could still leave in the VC stuff and continue to work on it as you are now

[jaateloauto]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Now that I've had my chance with the game I can honestly say I don't really care about fixing the player roles anymore. VC is too big a part of the game mode for me to take it seriously. When it's at the point that I have to pay VC in order to send people to the training camp it just feels like I'm playing farmville and not a full priced game. I'll have to look elsewhere for a managerial fix.

[RED BULL]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Exactly. The issue isn't adding conversations and in depth management of finances etc. I think those are both very solid additions. The problem is they introduced it without fixing any of the old issues, and forcing VC into every aspect of the mode, leaving MyGM unplayable this year.

I doubt they will remove this vc thing, but I wonder if it's possible if we make a petition that they will decrease the prices or something for most of the stuff in mygm

[jaateloauto]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I doubt they will remove this vc thing, but I wonder if it's possible if we make a petition that they will decrease the prices or something for most of the stuff in mygm

They won't remove it but if they don't tone it down from being as awful as the worst free to play offenders out there then nobody who played association is going to care about this mode. And guys who didn't play association aren't going to suddenly be interested in managing a team just because it has microtransactions in it.

[RED BULL]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

They won't remove it but if they don't tone it down from being as awful as the worst free to play offenders out there then nobody who played association is going to care about this mode. And guys who didn't play association aren't going to suddenly be interested in managing a team just because it has microtransactions in it.

Honestly they couldn't care less who plays what mode, only thing that matters at the end of the day are sales of the game. Whatever money they make after that is just icing on the cake, so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets even worse in the future

[petz_e]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I doubt they will remove this vc thing, but I wonder if it's possible if we make a petition that they will decrease the prices or something for most of the stuff in mygm

VC shouldn't be there in the first place. At least not in an offline game mode like MyGM. Having to accumulate/buy points in order to change your rotation, buy a fitness room etc. takes away all immersion from a close-to-real-life basketball simulation, which was what NBA 2k stand for all those years.

[jaateloauto]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Honestly they couldn't care less who plays what mode, only thing that matters at the end of the day are sales of the game. Whatever money they make after that is just icing on the cake, so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets even worse in the future

Of course they care. Modern games have data collecting built into them so that the devs know what the audience likes and what makes them spend VC. If they see that nobody plays MyGM they might change it around, or alternatively just focus the development elsewhere. If nobody plays the mode, nobody is going to buy VC for it. Do you think it's a coincidence MyCareer gets the most upgrades every year?

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I see nothing wrong with his post, he speaks truth.

Posts like these are absolutely necessary to communicate to 2k many of us will be opting out of a game whose goal is to control how we play, but want us to contribute our annual $60 and then VC us to death.

First, the guys you are talking to don't control whether or not VC is used. It seems to be a model that the WHOLE INDUSTRY is moving to and you're going to have to give up gaming if you don't like it. Period. Get over it.
Second, you can say how you feel about without trying to accuse the dudes of stabbing you in the back. "Oh you MEANT to take our options away!" Well, maybe they meant to give you a new mode and couldn't figure out a way to give you options that didn't break **** given the time they had to make the game. Did you ever consider that?

I had a much longer reply, but frankly, I think you're trying to be combative. You're making wild assumptions about thing you are completely ignorant to and going off on a VC tangent. All the while, attacking these guys' character. And that is the venom they don't need or deserve. His post was great compared to yours.

gotta be some guys there that think all the VC is bad.

Now the thread has become toxic. Good job.



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[jaateloauto]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

First, the guys you are talking to don't control whether or not VC is used. It seems to be a model that the WHOLE INDUSTRY is moving to and you're going to have to give up gaming if you don't like it. Period. Get over it.

Sorry, but I'm not going to get over it. Ever. There's always going to be games where useless microtransactions won't be present, and those are going to be the ones I will buy. Unfortunately in the basketball game market we currently have one great game filled with microtransactions and a really poor one which only uses it in the ultimate team card game.