2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

[Melbournelad]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS SO CONCERENED WITH THE BLOODY THREADS!! WORRY ABOUT FIXING THE DAMN GAME. AND PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES IN THE TWO THREADS SO WHO CARES. THERE IS LITERALY ONE PLAYABLE MODE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW. MY TEAM, MY GM AND MY PLAYER ARE BROKEN BUT COULD EASILY BE FIXED. EASILY! BUT THE LAZY *** GUYS AT 2K WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO SOME WORK INSTEAD OF CONSTANTLY TWEETING PICTURES OF PLAYER FACES THAT ARE FROM INSTANT REPLAY

Calm the hell down. We aren't going to get ANYTHING with you insulting Leftos/the devs whenever they are here. Constructive criticism with ideas on how to fix the issue (player roles) are what will work. I'm as disappointed as you are that MyGM is pretty much broken right now and I'm forced to go back to my 30 team 2k13 Assocaition, but incessant complaining WITHOUT solid suggestions isn't going to get us anywhere.

To everyone else, some great ideas so far in this thread.

[kmiree16]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Unfortunately this isn't something that can be patched. It's an issue with with 2K's AI. I was fearful that despite all of the graphical and aesthetic changes in next gen, the AI would still possess a lot of the same flaws. It appears that is the case. I noticed when watching one of Chris Smoove's videos that the AI's rotation logic and minutes distribution is still as rigid and unrealistic as current gen also. In my opinion, AI has always been one of 2K's weak points (not including online server quality and rosters). If they could really improve in that area, they'll really take that next step IMO.

[..GameOver..]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Well, the poster said that he looked in trade finder and was offered David Lee strait up for STAT. With Amares contract, his physical health, and the overall decline of his game, anyone would know that the Warriors would never in a trillion years offer the Knicks David Lee for STAT. It just wouldn't happen.

Again, not saying in 2K it couldn't happen, because it obviously can; But that goes back to the overall rating. It should mean a lot less than it does for teams when it comes to trades.

I think his point is that he can't fix the logic in place without seeing the specific circumstances to that trade. Saying David Lee for Amare would never happen does not give him a look at the logic behind the trade, which might clue him in to how the logic can better represent reality.

I also wanted to say that I think the "expectations" stat would be pretty good. I would hope it wasn't static though. Perhaps it would adjust based on other parameters talked about in this thread like classifying players into groups based on where they are in their careers (old guys wanting to win championships).

[OkayC]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

This is a thread i left on players roles a while ago, and it contains some of the ideas i wanna ask about having in game.

Edit: the link to this thread i made isn't working. just check all threads made by me in my arena, and look for player roles thread. To see what im talking about.

I really feel ppg and rating do play to big of a factor, as others have stated. And i would really like to see some option to tell players what there roles should be when you sign them.
Roles that should be implemented upon signing players are:
defensive stopper
defensive anchor
post presence
scorer
leader/superstar/franchise player
backup big
backup pg
6th man/bench spark plug/hustle guy
secondary ball handler
veteran presence
3 and D guy

I also feel that we should have the ability(if its possible to implement this) to give them more than one role. Say for instance guys like andre iguodala are on gsw to do more than be a defensive stopper. he's also there to play the point forward role, as well as be a type of hustle guy. I would love to see the ability to chose one of my role players as to be maybe a backup big/secondary ball handler, much like andray blatche. Or make my 6th man a backup big, like tyler hansborough or whatever i want there secondary position to be. this way there clear on what there role is, and they don't try to do to much. this was also an idea i had for mycareer, but you guys up and changed the whole game mode, but thats another story in and of itself.

[Cleveland Rocks]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

This has been broken for years the idea that they can totally fix it with a mid seson patch when then can't for several games and a new console gen is absurd. It's not even close to being realistic. The only hope would be to patch the abilty to turn of off. No way are they going to patch a better cpu ai when a new game and system can't do this any talk of this is crowd control. Jmho.

[RajonRondo]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

The whole game is based off V.C and 2k is doing everything they can to make you pay for V.C one way or the other to actually enjoy the game.

[Tmac416]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Calm the hell down. We aren't going to get ANYTHING with you insulting Leftos/the devs whenever they are here. Constructive criticism with ideas on how to fix the issue (player roles) are what will work. I'm as disappointed as you are that MyGM is pretty much broken right now and I'm forced to go back to my 30 team 2k13 Assocaition, but incessant complaining WITHOUT solid suggestions isn't going to get us anywhere.

To everyone else, some great ideas so far in this thread.

I'm sorry for cslling you a kiss ***. I took a nap and calmed down
But I stand by my points. There are critcal gameplay elements that need to be fixed and the answers they have provided are crap. I guess I mostly hate their twitter accounts. Ya the game looks nice and all but how about activly solve some issues instead of live streaming games or tweeting out faces

[Tmac416]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

The whole game is based off V.C and 2k is doing everything they can to make you pay for V.C one way or the other to actually enjoy the game.

And this. The vc is an absolute joke.

[Leftos]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

I'm sorry for cslling you a kiss ***. I took a nap and calmed down
But I stand by my points. There are critcal gameplay elements that need to be fixed and the answers they have provided are crap. I guess I mostly hate their twitter accounts. Ya the game looks nice and all but how about activly solve some issues instead of live streaming games or tweeting out faces

You do realize LD2k and Ronnie2k work in marketing, right? They don't develop the game, they market it. They always do a top notch job of letting the dev team know of user-reported issues, but that's as much as they can do. And I can assure you, plenty of us from the dev team are watching OS and other forums very closely for user feedback. Some of us post more, some post less, some don't post at all.

As for me, I'm here every day to get feedback and to get information so I can hunt down and fix bugs. I can't provide specific answers because things don't always work that way and I'd hate to give a promise I couldn't keep. I'd be letting the company and you guys down. There's a lot of work being done behind the scenes, and when there's something concrete that we can announce, we will. That's how things work.

Just know that detailed feedback is valued and most often than not becomes a point of discussion, or the spark for a new idea. Bug reports are being gathered and hunted every day. I can't give you much more than that.

[threattonature]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

This is a thread i left on players roles a while ago, and it contains some of the ideas i wanna ask about having in game.

Edit: the link to this thread i made isn't working. just check all threads made by me in my arena, and look for player roles thread. To see what im talking about.

I really feel ppg and rating do play to big of a factor, as others have stated. And i would really like to see some option to tell players what there roles should be when you sign them.
Roles that should be implemented upon signing players are:
defensive stopper
defensive anchor
post presence
scorer
leader/superstar/franchise player
backup big
backup pg
6th man/bench spark plug/hustle guy
secondary ball handler
veteran presence
3 and D guy

I also feel that we should have the ability(if its possible to implement this) to give them more than one role. Say for instance guys like andre iguodala are on gsw to do more than be a defensive stopper. he's also there to play the point forward role, as well as be a type of hustle guy. I would love to see the ability to chose one of my role players as to be maybe a backup big/secondary ball handler, much like andray blatche. Or make my 6th man a backup big, like tyler hansborough or whatever i want there secondary position to be. this way there clear on what there role is, and they don't try to do to much. this was also an idea i had for mycareer, but you guys up and changed the whole game mode, but thats another story in and of itself.

Awesome idea to expand roles.

Also was hoping that 2k would implement something support wise that would allow them to just open up a user's mycareer, mygm or whatever else. With everything saved on server's anyway. It could give them the ability to just log into our different associations and give answers as to why computer did certain trades or have a way to reference the complaints that we log.

[Theyhateme459]

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I am a long term lurker on this board with very few post, but this thread is worth posting. I want to say that this game is VERY close to being the perfect sporting game for sim players but like others have said I think Player Roles is the one item holding this game back from being that game that does not piss us off.

As others have mentioned expanded leadership roles in players but also Coaches should make a big difference. Maybe each team should have a leadership rating looking at leadership of stars, coaches, and GM leadership ratings. I team like Indiana, Miami would have a high overall rating so players are much much less likely to get unhappy and have drops in moral. While a team like Sacramento could be harder to keep personalities in line with lack of overall leadership. Also player disgruntleness should show less during the season and more of a build up to when their contract is up. I mean for those of us who follows basketball there were very few players last year who were at the point of demanding a trade, same for this year…. The issue is this happens far too often in the game, causes drops in attributes, which in return makes unrealistic trades happens (because it makes sense to the cpu at that time).

Also I agree with others about having ranges for player roles in what they are willing to accept… Bonafide starts like Melo, Lebron, Kobe, ect will never except coming off the bench unless they get much later in their career after ratings decline, on a contending team, with a coach with high ratings. Other players should only get low moral if they fall way below their range (Other factors can contribute like being at the lower end of their range, on a team with poor leadership, losing, and playing behind an inferior player) and even then they may suffer some ratings hit, but they do not have the leverage to call for trades… They will just have some impact on the locker room (Not too much) and will 100% leave the team come their first chance.

Continuing to what others said roles play huge in the broken trade logic… but trades are also rare and should be tweaked. Teams should not make equal trades, trades where there is not much improvement from being made. I’m sure a lot goes into the trade logic, but it should be expanded. Teams should ask questions like: If we sign/Add this PG making $xxx dollars expecting X amount of minutes per game and we already have a PG how will this effect the team? Essentially a team would not make this trade because adding this player would hamper their ability long term to field the best team at all positions since they have added extra $$$ to the PG position which wasn’t needed and will hamper the ability to improve other roles that needs improvement (I hope y’all could follow). Depending on the team situation there should be a minimum improvement threshold for a team to make a trade.. Example Suns are rebuilding, They may take a trade that after running equations makes the 5% worst that year, but long term (rather cap relief, draft picks, young players at roles of need) makes them 18% better long term… Maybe a team like Suns will never trade if the trade/signing does not atleast an 10% increase to their future outlook. While a team like the Nets (win now) will only make trades that increase their team this season by atleast 10% (Again looking at the overall picture). Trades a rare because teams don’t just make trades that only a small increases. … The teams really need to see trades as a huge win for both teams, which is why few trades actually goes down in the NBA. As others said, coaching styles, players personalities fitting into said coaching style (Example JJ Reddick or any shooter in a doc system would have high compatibility rating with the coach, a Runner or player wanting to play in a high power offense with Mike D’antonio (While a roy hibbert or defensive minded low post player would be a bad fit their) ect).

Adding to the above maybe one year we have GM ratings play a big role…. A+ GM’s can calculate all factors short/term long term and only make trades that puts their team over a certain threshold… Why teams with D rated GM’s might be susceptible to making 1 trade a year where they don’t have really improve or have a lower threshold level to making trades.


Great ideas in here… Like I said I honestly feel this game is only a year or two away from correcting these issues and being the GOAT in terms of Sim. Gameplay is there, we just need to get player roles/trade logic, and Free agency signings there!!!! Thanks for listening.

[dramachild11]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

You do realize LD2k and Ronnie2k work in marketing, right? They don't develop the game, they market it. They always do a top notch job of letting the dev team know of user-reported issues, but that's as much as they can do. And I can assure you, plenty of us from the dev team are watching OS and other forums very closely for user feedback. Some of us post more, some post less, some don't post at all.

As for me, I'm here every day to get feedback and to get information so I can hunt down and fix bugs. I can't provide specific answers because things don't always work that way and I'd hate to give a promise I couldn't keep. I'd be letting the company and you guys down. There's a lot of work being done behind the scenes, and when there's something concrete that we can announce, we will. That's how things work.

Just know that detailed feedback is valued and most often than not becomes a point of discussion, or the spark for a new idea. Bug reports are being gathered and hunted every day. I can't give you much more than that.

Leftos I really do appreciate that your responding to people daily and trying to help get everyone's ideas/complaints to the people that matter... I also respect that your being honest about what you can or can't give us in terms of info, I'm just hoping that if it's possible can you try to tell us specifically why the option to turn the roles off was taken away from the user (even if I hate the answer ill still appreciate your efforts an I'm sure others would feel the same)

[jaateloauto]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

The whole reason this is a problem in the first place is because you can't disable the player roles now for some reason. Patching back the option to turn it off, or at least give us the ability to turn off team chemistry or morale effect on attributes and we'd all breathe easy.

It's funny how the biggest issues with the game seem to be due to hiding options from the users (player roles and defensive settings). Would it kill to let us use them?

[sfx]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

TL;DR

There's a lot to go on here but I think the big takeaway (other than allowing the user to disable features) is that the personalities on the teams need to be more complex. AND EDITABLE.

I understand that a lot of programming (all of it) is math and it's hard to create realistic humans who don't always act predictably but the hope is that more variables can be programmed and even weighted.

Players happiness can be based on all sorts of factors that are not mutually exclusive. City, money, playing time, productivity, role, winning, relationships with teammates, coaches, and front office etc. There are many different ways to implement these things. Take city, for example. Player A prefers a big market, warm weather city with a great night life. Well, if Miami doesn't offer them a contract then what? If Phoenix and NY offer them a contract these things now have to be weighted against other things.

Likewise, coaches decisions have so many factors to their personality. Do they stick strictly to rotations or play the hot hand? How sensitive are they to players blowing assignments? Do they trust younger players or prefer veterans? When do they pull their starters? Do they sit them the whole 4th quarter when winning by 30 or are the Thibs who plays them until there's a minute left in the game?

I don't know enough to know if these personality traits are possible but if they are, I hope to god they're editable.

Because on no Earth should Danilo Gallinari think he's a star and we should be able to change that. I don't expect 2k to see the game the same way I might. I want to be able to control my own fantasy.

[mostoriginal]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

kenyon martin is pissed off and wants a trade because he's not getting playing time... but he has a torn acl and is out for the season.... TF