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  • topwater
    Rookie
    • Jan 2023
    • 180

    #31
    Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

    Originally posted by TarHeelPhenom
    Will a global mass reduction of Perimeter D and/or Contest attribute help in this area?

    To answer this question - I say no. I have made global edits lowering perimeter D, defensive awareness and defensive consistency to the lowest possible. I've also removed any and all badges having to do with perimeter defense (clamps, fast feet) and countered that by giving every player blow-by, physical handles, bulldozer, speed booster and triple strike. The results are noticeable, but even with lowering attributes within the roster (essentially lobotomizing each player defensively whilst giving them all sprained ankles) and lowering every defensive slider to 0, except post D the results aren't great. You'd think it'd be a profound difference and it just isn't. Defenders still slide/warp/sprint to get to their desired location, smashing into you and it just plain sucks. There's a level of physicality that disregards the NBA rules and the laws of physics baked into the game this year, so far. Hopefully a patch will fix it, but I'm scared it won't because I can't remember a time that level of edits to players and sliders yielded such little results. Movement even feels like half the time I'm on ice skates and the other half of the time my inputs seem to be recognized very slow and it seems sluggish.



    I dislike how sticky and unrealistic defenders are this year. Combined with how much warping and gliding that goes with it, and I am really not having fun. I'm thinking Pro Play has something to do with, at least to some extent. Suction animations, getting slowed down, bumped, pulled into a random direction, hitch/speed changes...the list goes on. Psychic defenders has plagued this series, but with patches, roster edits and sliders, a lot of it gets cleaned up and that's all I can hope for this year.


    On a positive note, when the odd play works without all the wonky speed changes and animations things look great. Pro Play can absolutely look cool, and some of the new dribbling is pretty great.

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    • bigmike0077
      Rookie
      • Dec 2013
      • 401

      #32
      Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

      Originally posted by topwater
      To answer this question - I say no. I have made global edits lowering perimeter D, defensive awareness and defensive consistency to the lowest possible. I've also removed any and all badges having to do with perimeter defense (clamps, fast feet) and countered that by giving every player blow-by, physical handles, bulldozer, speed booster and triple strike. The results are noticeable, but even with lowering attributes within the roster (essentially lobotomizing each player defensively whilst giving them all sprained ankles) and lowering every defensive slider to 0, except post D the results aren't great. You'd think it'd be a profound difference and it just isn't. Defenders still slide/warp/sprint to get to their desired location, smashing into you and it just plain sucks. There's a level of physicality that disregards the NBA rules and the laws of physics baked into the game this year, so far. Hopefully a patch will fix it, but I'm scared it won't because I can't remember a time that level of edits to players and sliders yielded such little results. Movement even feels like half the time I'm on ice skates and the other half of the time my inputs seem to be recognized very slow and it seems sluggish.



      I dislike how sticky and unrealistic defenders are this year. Combined with how much warping and gliding that goes with it, and I am really not having fun. I'm thinking Pro Play has something to do with, at least to some extent. Suction animations, getting slowed down, bumped, pulled into a random direction, hitch/speed changes...the list goes on. Psychic defenders has plagued this series, but with patches, roster edits and sliders, a lot of it gets cleaned up and that's all I can hope for this year.


      On a positive note, when the odd play works without all the wonky speed changes and animations things look great. Pro Play can absolutely look cool, and some of the new dribbling is pretty great.
      This Is how I'm feeling now aswell, but did you feel like this first few days after release ? For me the most recent parch changed this and made player movement feel this way. Before the patch it played great.

      Hope we can get the word to them to fix this, but as I've been saying , I'm worried that they only focus on my career complaints.

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      • Rori Daed
        Rookie
        • Sep 2012
        • 76

        #33
        Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

        So I played a couple of games with my friend on All-Star... it definitely opened the game up alot... now the only issue is any open shot is pretty much absolutely automatic... I'm trying to go in and just tweek this with sliders but it's harder to fix than you'd think... even when I put 3pt shot success down to 1, I'm able to hit pretty much every shot, as long as I green the release... so what I'm seeing is it seems like the green window is expanded exponentially for shooting on these lower difficulties...

        Either way, whatever is under the hood causing defenders to be smothering on the perimeter does tone down the more you drop the difficulty... and it's not something that's in the sliders... same with the green window for shooting, unfortunately... there's a lot of hidden stuff going on here.

        But the game was way more fun and balanced on all star, and I had to work way harder to get stops against my friend... play way more on ball and guard/wing defense and way less camping in the paint with Mitchell Robinson and funneling everything into his block radius. I liked it, even if it still had the issue of every open look splashing.

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        • DonWuan
          MVP
          • Oct 2010
          • 1756

          #34
          Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

          Test if anyone is interested.

          I switched my offense to get shooters open and they ran off picks like the cpu. I using Indiana at the time.

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          • topwater
            Rookie
            • Jan 2023
            • 180

            #35
            Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

            Originally posted by bigmike0077
            This Is how I'm feeling now aswell, but did you feel like this first few days after release ? For me the most recent parch changed this and made player movement feel this way. Before the patch it played great.

            Hope we can get the word to them to fix this, but as I've been saying , I'm worried that they only focus on my career complaints.

            To be honest I noticed defenders being a bit too good/aggressive in the videos prior to release. I will admit that it seems worse now and also player movement and explosiveness seems a bit less responsive and sluggish on offense. On defense I find the AI for both sides to be very frantic and sporadic. My AI defenders will move unrealistically fast to get to their spot(often times resulting in over shooting and ending up in a bad spot), so it's not just cpu boosts.

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            • jkits
              Pro
              • Jun 2008
              • 884

              #36
              Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

              Hey, if you fellas don't mind I'd love to help. I've been doing sliders since 2k17, and started my YouTube channel during 2k22 dedicated to sim gaming and authentic sliders. I have my sliders thread on here, as well as my channel where you can follow along how we build these sets. I just released version 1.0 yesterday for those following along to test and provide community feedback to enhance all the areas you have concerns about. Shots vs contest, cpu & ai defense & decision making etc. Each game has a narrative and I'm just passionate about the game playing to the tune of realism, and want to offer my time & experience with these specific sliders & 2k's gameplay. Feel free to help out!

              Operation Sports slider thread:


              YouTube channel:
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              • EccentricMeat
                MVP
                • Aug 2011
                • 3240

                #37
                Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                Originally posted by Rori Daed
                So I played a couple of games with my friend on All-Star... it definitely opened the game up alot... now the only issue is any open shot is pretty much absolutely automatic... I'm trying to go in and just tweek this with sliders but it's harder to fix than you'd think... even when I put 3pt shot success down to 1, I'm able to hit pretty much every shot, as long as I green the release... so what I'm seeing is it seems like the green window is expanded exponentially for shooting on these lower difficulties...

                Either way, whatever is under the hood causing defenders to be smothering on the perimeter does tone down the more you drop the difficulty... and it's not something that's in the sliders... same with the green window for shooting, unfortunately... there's a lot of hidden stuff going on here.

                But the game was way more fun and balanced on all star, and I had to work way harder to get stops against my friend... play way more on ball and guard/wing defense and way less camping in the paint with Mitchell Robinson and funneling everything into his block radius. I liked it, even if it still had the issue of every open look splashing.
                It's the physical attributes (Speed, Acceleration, Strength, Lateral Quickness) and Body-Up Sensitivity. The CPU gets a boost in every slider at SS/HOF difficulties so you need to drop those attribute sliders to even the playing field. And then drop Body-Up Sensitivity to get even fewer brick wall animations.

                All-Star is pretty much even at base settings, which is why the game opens up so much there. Plus who knows what 2K tweaks behind the scenes at the different difficulty levels that we can't change via sliders. Might actually be best to just play at All-Star this year unless you REALLY just want a cheesy challenge.
                My Slider Threads
                NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" Realistic Slider Set
                The "Movement" Sliders Explained
                The "Defense" Sliders Explained

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                • Smirkin Dirk
                  All Star
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 5178

                  #38
                  Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                  Body up sensitivity is always a huge influence in this.


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                  2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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                  • Smirkin Dirk
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5178

                    #39
                    Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                    Will definitely drop contact shots on inside shots and lay ups. Massive bump to contested shots.


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                    2022 'Plug and play' sim roster (XBX)

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                    • alabamarob
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3340

                      #40
                      Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                      Originally posted by EccentricMeat
                      The main issue is that the CPU gets physical boosts at Superstar/HOF difficulty. Try decreasing the CPU Speed/Acceleration/Strength sliders by 5 and the game opens up quite a bit.

                      1. On HOF do your cpu defenders get the same boost?

                      2. User v. User so your cpu defenders get the ratings boost on HOF?
                      Psn: Alabamarob
                      Xbox: Alabama Rob

                      Youtube: 2k Hawks

                      Settings I play on.
                      Minutes: 12
                      Difficulty: HOF
                      Online or Offline player: Both
                      In a MLO: Yes

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                      • loso_34
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 1346

                        #41
                        Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering



                        All the whining from the my career community has us back here.

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                        • SportsGamer89
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2022
                          • 434

                          #42
                          Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                          Originally posted by loso_34
                          https://x.com/shadymikegaming/status...340242849?s=46

                          All the whining from the my career community has us back here.

                          “The worst since 2K19”

                          Thats a bit of a stretch for me. This game plays fantastic.


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                          • bigmike0077
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 401

                            #43
                            Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                            Originally posted by SportsGamer89
                            “The worst since 2K19”

                            Thats a bit of a stretch for me. This game plays fantastic.


                            Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
                            2k19 was actually one of my favorites.

                            This game would be great if they fixed a few things or maybe even revert some of it back to how it was on release day.

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                            • ggsimmonds
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 11235

                              #44
                              Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                              Originally posted by loso_34
                              https://x.com/shadymikegaming/status...340242849?s=46

                              All the whining from the my career community has us back here.
                              Shady Mike is just being shady. Its clout chasing

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                              • EccentricMeat
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 3240

                                #45
                                Re: Perimeter Defense Seems Way Too Tight - Smothering

                                Originally posted by loso_34
                                https://x.com/shadymikegaming/status...340242849?s=46

                                All the whining from the my career community has us back here.

                                Definitely disagree with Shady on that. I’m guessing he’s playing on HOF? Haven’t seen all that warping on my end [emoji2371]
                                My Slider Threads
                                NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" Realistic Slider Set
                                The "Movement" Sliders Explained
                                The "Defense" Sliders Explained

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