NBA 2K20 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

[EccentricMeat]

Re: NBA 2K20 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Awesome & I'm actually playing more than ever with nothing much else to do lol
Your adjustments have changed this game for the better so please keep it going! THANKS again

Thanks man, glad to hear it!

[creweutah]

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Bro, youre the only person I trusted when it came to sliders. Really hope you come up with a complete set for 2k20. Due to covid, i really want to nestle in a long season with your sliders. Hope they do eventually get released. Fingers crossed

[EccentricMeat]

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Bro, youre the only person I trusted when it came to sliders. Really hope you come up with a complete set for 2k20. Due to covid, i really want to nestle in a long season with your sliders. Hope they do eventually get released. Fingers crossed

Thanks Crew! Yea, I want to be able to finally start a MyLEAGUE that I will stick with, so getting these sliders done is a must.

Let’s just hope next-gen’s 2K21 has a whole new engine or at least some DRASTIC improvements to the current one, because I don’t know how much longer I can force myself to try and fix the same issues year after year.

[creweutah]

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Thanks Crew! Yea, I want to be able to finally start a MyLEAGUE that I will stick with, so getting these sliders done is a must.

Let’s just hope next-gen’s 2K21 has a whole new engine or at least some DRASTIC improvements to the current one, because I don’t know how much longer I can force myself to try and fix the same issues year after year.

I feel you man.

[CaseIH]

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Thanks Crew! Yea, I want to be able to finally start a MyLEAGUE that I will stick with, so getting these sliders done is a must.

Let’s just hope next-gen’s 2K21 has a whole new engine or at least some DRASTIC improvements to the current one, because I don’t know how much longer I can force myself to try and fix the same issues year after year.

Yep, I know how you feel. I have lost all interest in playing NBA2k since I got MLBTS20. I tried to look past the all the flaws and just enjoy the game for what it is, which is a very good game if your not OCD about realistic stats, and a realistic simulation of the NBA.
I just cant get past the lack of fouls and non steal turnovers. Sure if you constantly drive into the paint, you will get plenty of fouls and free throws, but I want to see non shooting fouls, and a realistic amount of shooting fouls on 3pt attempts.
After all these yrs, we still shouldn't be having the some of the same issues, that's basically been there since the 1st NBA2k game came out. Its ridiculous that the devs continue to ignore fixing this stuff yr after yr.

I will not buy another NBA2k game, until the devs start putting more effort into making a actual NBA simulation, because right now, all it is a glorified arcade type basketball game, with the NBA license. I really thought when DaCzar was hired, we would see a better NBA simulation, but that's not happened. Not that I blame Czar by any means, as just think he has to work on what he is told to work on, so he isn't allowed to make the Human vs the CPU more of a simulation, as I think they have him focused on Human vs Human, and if there building a game thru Human Vs Human, the game will never be a true NBA simulation.

Once you get your sliders set finished up, I will probably attempt to start a My League, if your able to atleast improve things with slider adjustments. Ive just lost all patience with tinkering around with sliders, along with editing players.

[EccentricMeat]

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Yep, I know how you feel. I have lost all interest in playing NBA2k since I got MLBTS20. I tried to look past the all the flaws and just enjoy the game for what it is, which is a very good game if your not OCD about realistic stats, and a realistic simulation of the NBA.
I just cant get past the lack of fouls and non steal turnovers. Sure if you constantly drive into the paint, you will get plenty of fouls and free throws, but I want to see non shooting fouls, and a realistic amount of shooting fouls on 3pt attempts.
After all these yrs, we still shouldn't be having the some of the same issues, that's basically been there since the 1st NBA2k game came out. Its ridiculous that the devs continue to ignore fixing this stuff yr after yr.

I will not buy another NBA2k game, until the devs start putting more effort into making a actual NBA simulation, because right now, all it is a glorified arcade type basketball game, with the NBA license. I really thought when DaCzar was hired, we would see a better NBA simulation, but that's not happened. Not that I blame Czar by any means, as just think he has to work on what he is told to work on, so he isn't allowed to make the Human vs the CPU more of a simulation, as I think they have him focused on Human vs Human, and if there building a game thru Human Vs Human, the game will never be a true NBA simulation.

Once you get your sliders set finished up, I will probably attempt to start a My League, if your able to atleast improve things with slider adjustments. Ive just lost all patience with tinkering around with sliders, along with editing players.

100% agree, there’s really no fixing 2K20. The foul issues just can’t be fixed, and with fouls being SO far away from a true representation of the game, the game would still feel completely off even if you made everything else perfect. I don’t even think I’ll look into tweaking the foul sliders at all. They’re beyond repair and simply not worth the time.


Now having said that, I just played a game at 65 game speed and WOW did animations and movement just feel right. I need to quickly tweak the rest of the movement sliders to match the new game speed, then I’ll go back to finishing up the defensive sliders.

EDIT: After further testing, the movement sliders posted the other day work at all Game Speed settings between 60 and 65, so feel free to use any Game Speed in that window that you prefer.

[EccentricMeat]

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Still mucking about with the defensive settings so they're definitely not set in stone, but I wanted to get them posted regardless. I also have a nice test set of tendencies I wanted to share so you guys have a better idea of what I'm working on. Not a full or finished set by any means, but a good place to start:


Offense
Dunk in Traffic Frequency - 45/55
Dunk in Traffic Success - 45
Pass Accuracy - 40
Alley-Oop Success - 50
Contact Shot Success - 55
Ball Security - 60
Body-Up Sensitivity - 90
Pass Speed - 50

Defense
Driving Contact Shot Frequency - 100
Inside Contact Shot Frequency - 100
*Defense Strength sliders are WIP*

Attributes
Acceleration - 50
Vertical – 50
Strength – 50
Stamina – 60
Speed – 50
Durability - 50
Hustle – 100
On-Ball Defense – 65
Stealing – 50
Blocking – 40/50
Fatigue Rate – 40
Lateral Quickness - 70

Tendencies
Take Inside Shots - 45
Take Close Shots - 15
Take Mid-Range Shots - 45
Take 3PT Shots - 80
Post Shots - 50
Attack the Basket - 50
Look for Post Players - 90
Throw Alley-Oops - 50
Attempt Dunks - 50/65
Attempt Putbacks - 50
Play Passing Lanes - 100/70
Go for On-Ball Steals - 100/70
Contest Shots - 80/50
Backdoor Cuts - 50

Fouls
Over the Back Foul Frequency - 100
Charging Foul Frequency - 100
Blocking Foul Frequency - 100
Reaching Foul Frequency - 70
Shooting Foul Frequency - 100/60
Loose Ball Foul Frequency - 100
Illegal Screen - 52

Movement
Speed with Ball (Max rating) - 65
Speed with Ball (Min rating) - 45
Acceleration with Ball (Max rating) - 65
Acceleration with Ball (Min rating) - 45
Speed without Ball (Max rating) - 80
Speed without Ball (Min rating) - 60
Acceleration without Ball (Max rating) - 80
Acceleration without Ball (Min rating) - 60



Again, all of this is still a WIP and needs to be finished and fine-tuned, but I wanted to get something substantial posted FINALLY. Still need to work on rebounding, awareness, shot success, and the rest of the defensive sliders, so expect those posted sometime soon (tm).

[creweutah]

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Sometime soon, love it Fouls seem better with a custom roster, but will defs try out this set bro

[Bowinkle08]

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He abandoned OS, his sliders are posted here:

https://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=254&t=108070

The best combination I've found so far though is:

- Schnaidt's sliders (including his recent tweaks of 50/50 for lateral quickness, 50 for post shots and 40 for attack the basket);
- Eccentric's game speed, acceleration and speed attribute sliders and his entire movement section;
- My own personal tweaks of 65 direction/25 distance/10 openness for pass target profile and 50/58 for 3PT success instead of 49/60 of Schnaidt's.

It was the closest to perfect for me after trying a lot of different slider sets. But I'm still expecting Eccentric's full set and hoping it could be the definitive experience, the guy is very wise.

what controller settings do you use?

[EccentricMeat]

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Oooooh I feel the update getting close. Things are really starting to come together in my latest test-games and I'm actually having some fun again :O

Side note: I've settled on Game Speed at 60. 65 has its benefits, but the movement off the ball is just a little too fast and twitchy looking. Luckily I was able to make a few tweaks to dribbling and movement to replicate the benefits of 65 GS, so all is well.

Stay tuned

[squibblerqwq]

Re: NBA 2K20 "The Eccentric Edition" - Realistic Slider Set

Oooooh I feel the update getting close. Things are really starting to come together in my latest test-games and I'm actually having some fun again :O

Side note: I've settled on Game Speed at 60. 65 has its benefits, but the movement off the ball is just a little too fast and twitchy looking. Luckily I was able to make a few tweaks to dribbling and movement to replicate the benefits of 65 GS, so all is well.

Stay tuned

You are an absolute god-send for the slider community. I appreciate your effort so much, if you need any help or anything at all, please let us know

[itsmb8]

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Yep, I know how you feel. I have lost all interest in playing NBA2k since I got MLBTS20. I tried to look past the all the flaws and just enjoy the game for what it is, which is a very good game if your not OCD about realistic stats, and a realistic simulation of the NBA.
I just cant get past the lack of fouls and non steal turnovers. Sure if you constantly drive into the paint, you will get plenty of fouls and free throws, but I want to see non shooting fouls, and a realistic amount of shooting fouls on 3pt attempts.
After all these yrs, we still shouldn't be having the some of the same issues, that's basically been there since the 1st NBA2k game came out. Its ridiculous that the devs continue to ignore fixing this stuff yr after yr.

I will not buy another NBA2k game, until the devs start putting more effort into making a actual NBA simulation, because right now, all it is a glorified arcade type basketball game, with the NBA license. I really thought when DaCzar was hired, we would see a better NBA simulation, but that's not happened. Not that I blame Czar by any means, as just think he has to work on what he is told to work on, so he isn't allowed to make the Human vs the CPU more of a simulation, as I think they have him focused on Human vs Human, and if there building a game thru Human Vs Human, the game will never be a true NBA simulation.

Once you get your sliders set finished up, I will probably attempt to start a My League, if your able to at least improve things with slider adjustments. Ive just lost all patience with tinkering around with sliders, along with editing players.

I agree with your sentiments. Personally I can live with the lack of turnovers and non-shooting fouls (that decrease FT #s as teams aren't getting many bonus FTs), but the big thing that annoys me is the simulation engine DOES model that. So when you play MyLeague games, your stats from those games wont mesh with sim stats.

I dont want to play an 82 game season with Milwaukee and finish dead last in FTA/game because im playing my games and the in-game engine doesnt model everything the same as the sim engine.

[EccentricMeat]

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I agree with your sentiments. Personally I can live with the lack of turnovers and non-shooting fouls (that decrease FT #s as teams aren't getting many bonus FTs),

That's one of the major things I'm working on. Turnovers can be solved realistically in a multitude of ways, the issue really becomes two-fold:

1. Making sure the game is still a challenge when you have the CPU turning the ball over via bad passes, on-ball steals, stolen passes, etc.

2. Making sure the game is still fun and rewarding for the user by reducing RNG of inaccurate passes, AI steals (both on-ball and stolen passes), etc.

Finding the right balance there will really just come down to user preference. Some will be annoyed if ANY of their passes go out of bounds or get picked off by the AI, while others understand that players aren't perfect and sometimes things don't turn out the way you wanted them to.

Now as far as fouls and free throws are concerned, there are ways to "fix" this issue but not in a fully realistic way. Seeing as the game simply refuses to call charges, blocking fouls, and shooting fouls on jump shots like it should, you have to compensate by increasing fouls at the rim, reaching fouls, etc. Again, some of that will come down to user preference as the game can become too easy or too tedious by increasing/decreasing fouls at the rim, and going for steals can become more of a dice-roll than an actual show of skill.

Trying to strike these sorts of balances is nearly impossible, and may help explain to you all why I have yet to post a set this year and why other slider makers may also take a while between updates. Tweaking sliders is a painstaking process, and that's without taking into account how the game can completely change from one day to another.

Speaking of which, I've just dropped game speed back down to 58. A week ago I was set on 60 "for sure", then a few days ago I was "certain" the game played better at 65. And today I'm back to the setting I was using months ago before I disappeared yet again.

NBA2K is a cruel mistress...

[creweutah]

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That's one of the major things I'm working on. Turnovers can be solved realistically in a multitude of ways, the issue really becomes two-fold:

1. Making sure the game is still a challenge when you have the CPU turning the ball over via bad passes, on-ball steals, stolen passes, etc.

2. Making sure the game is still fun and rewarding for the user by reducing RNG of inaccurate passes, AI steals (both on-ball and stolen passes), etc.

Finding the right balance there will really just come down to user preference. Some will be annoyed if ANY of their passes go out of bounds or get picked off by the AI, while others understand that players aren't perfect and sometimes things don't turn out the way you wanted them to.

Now as far as fouls and free throws are concerned, there are ways to "fix" this issue but not in a fully realistic way. Seeing as the game simply refuses to call charges, blocking fouls, and shooting fouls on jump shots like it should, you have to compensate by increasing fouls at the rim, reaching fouls, etc. Again, some of that will come down to user preference as the game can become too easy or too tedious by increasing/decreasing fouls at the rim, and going for steals can become more of a dice-roll than an actual show of skill.

Trying to strike these sorts of balances is nearly impossible, and may help explain to you all why I have yet to post a set this year and why other slider makers may also take a while between updates. Tweaking sliders is a painstaking process, and that's without taking into account how the game can completely change from one day to another.

Speaking of which, I've just dropped game speed back down to 58. A week ago I was set on 60 "for sure", then a few days ago I was "certain" the game played better at 65. And today I'm back to the setting I was using months ago before I disappeared yet again.

NBA2K is a cruel mistress...

Man, youre never going to get it perfect due to all the under the hood issues that 2k has. Just do the best you can, and release it when you think its the best youve got. I keep trying to tweak, but some things can simply never be made 'realistic' . Its just the way it is. Its not worth the stress

[DonkeyJote]

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Man, youre never going to get it perfect due to all the under the hood issues that 2k has. Just do the best you can, and release it when you think its the best youve got. I keep trying to tweak, but some things can simply never be made 'realistic' . Its just the way it is. Its not worth the stress

Honestly, I think that's the way to go with sliders in any game. It's never going to be perfect, at some point you've gotta call good enough and allow yourself to enjoy the game.

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