MAN I LOVED LIVE..............

[wwharton]

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you and i both know when you watch an nba game you don't watch off the ball. you don't pick a time to just watch the SG, for instance. See how he's moving to get open, off of double screens or without any help at all. You're not watching what the weak side players are doing at any particular time. You're enjoying the game. I've been coaching for 9 years so I watch that type of stuff all the time whether it be HS, college or pro but I recognize that I'm a sick person, lol. I enjoy watching this stuff while it's not really just watching the game. 90% of people watch on the ball only.

Now of course it's not true that they never call plays in the NBA and I'm still trying to figure out the rationale for limiting the playbook so much in ESPN. However, without even calling plays the movement and spacing is at a very realistic NBA pace. For one game, watch the movement of one player only for a couple of plays. Hell, watch the rooks tonight.

I hate this whole comparison crap. People should just play what they want. Which is more realistic? Who cares? But I gotta call people out for some of their statements b/c it makes one wonder if they really are looking for a realistic game when they can watch a real game and still see things that aren't happening. Perceived reality and real reality are different and many Live fans talking about the constant movement seem to want what's perceived. That's cool for you, but don't try to pass it off as real.

[DueceDiggla]

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FootballForever said:
First and formost no one is bashing ESPN, let me tell you somthing, I been a big ESPN aka (NBA2k) fan for the last four years, Im mean hard core. I got ESPN this year and It changed this, but for the worse IMO its just not the same game. I just think the gameplay is just horried this year. The players just stand around like there waiting for a cab, and dont say anthing to me cause Ive been a avid fan of this seriers since it came out. Now getting the game playing like the NBA, yes LIVE is more real IMO cause players in the NBA dont stand around like you say they do, everytime I watch the NBA the players are always moving all the time. ESPN just dosen't feel real anymore, Oh well that my take on it.

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Aren't you the same guy who claims his brother posts under your name claiming to be the Live fan, and you're the ESPN fan???


Split personalities?

[DueceDiggla]

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FootballForever said:
First and formost no one is bashing ESPN, let me tell you somthing, I been a big ESPN aka (NBA2k) fan for the last four years, Im mean hard core. I got ESPN this year and It changed this, but for the worse IMO its just not the same game. I just think the gameplay is just horried this year. The players just stand around like there waiting for a cab, and dont say anthing to me cause Ive been a avid fan of this seriers since it came out. Now getting the game playing like the NBA, yes LIVE is more real IMO cause players in the NBA dont stand around like you say they do, everytime I watch the NBA the players are always moving all the time. ESPN just dosen't feel real anymore, Oh well that my take on it.

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Aren't you the same guy who claims his brother posts under your name claiming to be the Live fan, and you're the ESPN fan???


Split personalities?

[DueceDiggla]

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FootballForever said:
First and formost no one is bashing ESPN, let me tell you somthing, I been a big ESPN aka (NBA2k) fan for the last four years, Im mean hard core. I got ESPN this year and It changed this, but for the worse IMO its just not the same game. I just think the gameplay is just horried this year. The players just stand around like there waiting for a cab, and dont say anthing to me cause Ive been a avid fan of this seriers since it came out. Now getting the game playing like the NBA, yes LIVE is more real IMO cause players in the NBA dont stand around like you say they do, everytime I watch the NBA the players are always moving all the time. ESPN just dosen't feel real anymore, Oh well that my take on it.

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Aren't you the same guy who claims his brother posts under your name claiming to be the Live fan, and you're the ESPN fan???


Split personalities?

[wwharton]

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I hope all of you are watching this game and seeing how often players stand around on offense. The plays they use most of the time don't call for a lot of movement. That's just how the NBA is and why a lot of pure basketball fans hate watching it.

[wwharton]

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I hope all of you are watching this game and seeing how often players stand around on offense. The plays they use most of the time don't call for a lot of movement. That's just how the NBA is and why a lot of pure basketball fans hate watching it.

[wwharton]

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I hope all of you are watching this game and seeing how often players stand around on offense. The plays they use most of the time don't call for a lot of movement. That's just how the NBA is and why a lot of pure basketball fans hate watching it.

[bigeastbumrush]

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wwharton said:
I hope all of you are watching this game and seeing how often players stand around on offense. The plays they use most of the time don't call for a lot of movement. That's just how the NBA is and why a lot of pure basketball fans hate watching it.

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No need to preach. There's a reason why the Nuggets and the Cavs are two of the worst (and youngest) teams in the league and have been for years. This game is a poor example...of anything besides sparse crowds.

Players do move off the ball, plain and simple. It may vary team-to-team how much they move, but yes, they do move.

You're reaching when you say/suggest that if they don't have the ball they just stand there at attention like statues.

And please enlighten me as to what's "pure" basketball and what's NBA basketball

[bigeastbumrush]

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wwharton said:
I hope all of you are watching this game and seeing how often players stand around on offense. The plays they use most of the time don't call for a lot of movement. That's just how the NBA is and why a lot of pure basketball fans hate watching it.

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No need to preach. There's a reason why the Nuggets and the Cavs are two of the worst (and youngest) teams in the league and have been for years. This game is a poor example...of anything besides sparse crowds.

Players do move off the ball, plain and simple. It may vary team-to-team how much they move, but yes, they do move.

You're reaching when you say/suggest that if they don't have the ball they just stand there at attention like statues.

And please enlighten me as to what's "pure" basketball and what's NBA basketball

[bigeastbumrush]

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wwharton said:
I hope all of you are watching this game and seeing how often players stand around on offense. The plays they use most of the time don't call for a lot of movement. That's just how the NBA is and why a lot of pure basketball fans hate watching it.

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No need to preach. There's a reason why the Nuggets and the Cavs are two of the worst (and youngest) teams in the league and have been for years. This game is a poor example...of anything besides sparse crowds.

Players do move off the ball, plain and simple. It may vary team-to-team how much they move, but yes, they do move.

You're reaching when you say/suggest that if they don't have the ball they just stand there at attention like statues.

And please enlighten me as to what's "pure" basketball and what's NBA basketball

[ATrillionaire]

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wwharton if your trying to help ESPN Basketball's cause by saying that players don't move around in the NBA, your not!!! Cause in ESPN players do move around, they don't just stand still, and the people who say they do either haven't played the game or they are to use to NBA Live's constant moving all over the place...

[ATrillionaire]

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wwharton if your trying to help ESPN Basketball's cause by saying that players don't move around in the NBA, your not!!! Cause in ESPN players do move around, they don't just stand still, and the people who say they do either haven't played the game or they are to use to NBA Live's constant moving all over the place...

[ATrillionaire]

Re: MAN I LOVED LIVE..............

wwharton if your trying to help ESPN Basketball's cause by saying that players don't move around in the NBA, your not!!! Cause in ESPN players do move around, they don't just stand still, and the people who say they do either haven't played the game or they are to use to NBA Live's constant moving all over the place...

[wwharton]

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you guys are really funny. this has nothing to do with your stupid little wars about which game is better. I could care less. There is very little movement off the ball in the NBA. I have direct tv so I could've given a number of examples but that was the game on regular cable tonight. You can watch all week. Find a player without the ball and watch him. They just don't move much. It's nothing to do with Live, ESPN, ID whatever. I'm just sick of people saying how they just watched a game and saw all the back screens, cuts and constant movement b/c it's just a lie.

And please don't preach to ME about NBA being pure basketball. Basketball is my life and has been for the last 15 years. I love the NBA, but it's not pure basketball it's just the highest level of individual talent. The best combination of talent and game is college basketball. That is where you will see the constant movement that everyone claims is in the NBA when only a few teams like the Kings actually do move that much (and they run an offense created by one of the most inventive college coaches of all times). The purest form of the game is probably division 3 basketball b/c the players aren't as athletic as division one and the player movement means more b/c there isn't as much above the rim play. The same is true about high level women's college ball.

So no, the NBA is not basketball at it's purest. Yes I love the NBA. No there isn't a lot of off the ball movement in the NBA. Use that to fuel the fire of this stupid game war however you wish.

[wwharton]

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you guys are really funny. this has nothing to do with your stupid little wars about which game is better. I could care less. There is very little movement off the ball in the NBA. I have direct tv so I could've given a number of examples but that was the game on regular cable tonight. You can watch all week. Find a player without the ball and watch him. They just don't move much. It's nothing to do with Live, ESPN, ID whatever. I'm just sick of people saying how they just watched a game and saw all the back screens, cuts and constant movement b/c it's just a lie.

And please don't preach to ME about NBA being pure basketball. Basketball is my life and has been for the last 15 years. I love the NBA, but it's not pure basketball it's just the highest level of individual talent. The best combination of talent and game is college basketball. That is where you will see the constant movement that everyone claims is in the NBA when only a few teams like the Kings actually do move that much (and they run an offense created by one of the most inventive college coaches of all times). The purest form of the game is probably division 3 basketball b/c the players aren't as athletic as division one and the player movement means more b/c there isn't as much above the rim play. The same is true about high level women's college ball.

So no, the NBA is not basketball at it's purest. Yes I love the NBA. No there isn't a lot of off the ball movement in the NBA. Use that to fuel the fire of this stupid game war however you wish.