Its time, no more hiding

[Boilerbuzz]

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I don't give a damn if people don't "respect my position".

AWWWW!!! You said it anyway!

I'm expressing my opinion because all I see is negativity towards EA and this game. I'm not gonna call anyone out, but I see lies, hate and other nonsense

What LIES!? Who's doing that?!

2K has a great product but we'd all be better off with competition and variety in the market of basketball games.

Leave 2k out of this. Has NOTHING to do with competition. People want OFFICIAL information from EA. That's it. Nothing more. Give it a rest.

So I'm sincerely hoping all the naysayers are wrong and EA still plans on releasing this game.

You do know that the people that are calling "naysayers" are also hoping. But they are also big enough to admit that their hope and confidences is fading. But YOU seem to be unable to handle THAT part of their truth.

And how am I not objective? Because I see positives in the pre-alpha footage? Because I liked Elite and Live 10? The only way to be "objective" to you is to bash EA's game.

NO: that you REFUSE to acknowledge the bad in those games or at least give them equal weight in your view of the game. This right there. You asked, - there's your answer. It's like you refuse to acknowledge the pile of crap in crap sandwich saying how nice is this slice of lettuce. And extreme example, I know. Just trying to get through to you.

If I had just chimed in like everyone else and said "LOLZ THIS SH*T SUCKS OMG" you would have no problem with that level of objectivity. But because I have a different opinion I'm obviously not being objective. Makes sense!

No, you didn't have to that. All you did say was: "well, that's bad because it's pre-alpha so everyone should ignore that."! Complete dismissal. It's like you're quick to claim the bad stuff was because it was pre-alpha. And all the positive stuff - highly debatable stuff mind you - is where the game is headed. How would look if the opposite were true - the bad is what the game is and the good was what got changed from the "pre-alpha" build?

[fluent2332]

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AWWWW!!! You said it anyway!

Well it's true. I don't care if the whole world doesn't agree with my opinion, I'll still share it.


What LIES!? Who's doing that?!

I'm not getting into that.

Leave 2k out of this. Has NOTHING to do with competition. People want OFFICIAL information from EA. That's it. Nothing more. Give it a rest.

Right.

You do know that the people that are calling "naysayers" are also hoping. But they are also big enough to admit that their hope and confidences is fading. But YOU seem to be unable to handle THAT part of their truth.

Right. So do you want me to admit my hope and confidence is fading? It's not. Not yet.

NO: that you REFUSE to acknowledge the bad in those games or at least give them equal weight in your view of the game. This right there. You asked, - there's your answer. It's like you refuse to acknowledge the pile of crap in crap sandwich saying how nice is this slice of lettuce. And extreme example, I know. Just trying to get through to you.

Pretty sure I said numerous times the Live 13 pre-alpha footage looked a bit rough, wasn't the greatest, etc. I already refuted the exact points in the gameplay video thread. People went nuts because I actually acknowledged some good aspects of that footage instead of blindly bashing it. I even refuted some guy's post that said "don't you see this negative? And this one! And this one!". You can go read that thread if you want to.

No, you didn't have to that. All you did say was: "well, that's bad because it's pre-alpha so everyone should ignore that."! Complete dismissal. It's like you're quick to claim the bad stuff was because it was pre-alpha. And all the positive stuff - highly debatable stuff mind you - is where the game is headed. How would look if the opposite were true - the bad is what the game is and the good was what got changed from the "pre-alpha" build?

Honestly, I don't base anything on that pre-alpha footage. I dissected it a little bit out of boredom, but I'm well aware that pre-alpha footage isn't the best footage to base ANY assumptions or conclusions on, yet the rest of the forum seemed to miss that. I simply broke down what I saw, no more and no less.

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[King_B_Mack]

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Man, please learn what pre-alpha is and stop using that word around here in regards to that footage cause it was not pre-alpha. Call it early build if you must, but that is not pre-alpha.

[Billz313]

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Really, so you actually saw a good looking game from that footage? You are breaking down what you saw (delusion ally), however, we are using FACTS to create our opinion of this video and the future of this already failed franchise. Key phrase "already failed", which is something you seem to completely ignore. This **** was canceled for gods sake, how the hell do you see a positive future from that, the gameplay video actually made an already failed franchise look worse, but you actually think they could compete with 2k, that is called delusion.

[chandlerbang]

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I don't give a damn if people don't "respect my position". I'm not here for some competition or to see how many likes my posts get. It's a forum for expressing opinions and that's what I'm doing. And sorry dude, but it is my personality not to rush to judgment and automatically assume the worst of every situation without knowing all the facts. If that means I give people the benefit of the doubt more times than not than so be it. I'd do it in any other situation too.

I'm expressing my opinion because all I see is negativity towards EA and this game. I'm not gonna call anyone out, but I see lies, hate and other nonsense that makes me want to stand up and speak out against it. So I will continue to do that. I want to see EA succeed. 2K has a great product but we'd all be better off with competition and variety in the market of basketball games. So I'm sincerely hoping all the naysayers are wrong and EA still plans on releasing this game. Like I said, I'm not panicking yet. I'm going to continue to wait it out and hope for the best.

And how am I not objective? Because I see positives in the pre-alpha footage? Because I liked Elite and Live 10? The only way to be "objective" to you is to bash EA's game. If I had just chimed in like everyone else and said "LOLZ THIS SH*T SUCKS OMG" you would have no problem with that level of objectivity. But because I have a different opinion I'm obviously not being objective. Makes sense!

its easy to be negative towards EA when they are on the verge of screwing up their historic franchise. If this game is canceled its a deserved cancelation. people are PISSED at route they have taken given the amount of time they had to revamp the series. EA is even treating their official site like the 2k.com site with no communication with their dwindling faithful fans. You are blind man and should be negative about this issue also. Dont try to be the oddball trying to defend a broken franchise, be realistic from what you have seen and keep your expectations minimal until EA mans up and shows us a final version of the game.

Also there is somewhat free speech on this forum and people are encouraged to voice their opinion regardless of others thoughts. Things will change when EA stops hiding almost 30 days till release but until then deal with it

[kingeo19]

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The problem with EA sports throughout this soon to be second debacle is that they are not DEFINITIVE and CLEAR to the prospective consumer. The prospective consumer is the one on theses boards who say they still have faith in a product which has no clear path and lacks polish.

To myself, most on these LIVE boards, and the industry press, the statements (few and far between) and lack of communication clearly indicate that they are nervous about their products direction and upcoming reception. The epitome of this was indicated in the companies official statement concerning the "leaked" gameplay footage.

A rep said the video "appears to be captured from a pre-alpha build months ago and is not an official EA Sports release. It does not represent a final build or feature set for NBA Live."

The word "appear" should not be in this statement at all. Be DEFINITIVE, ABSOLUTE, TRUTHFUL to the few remaining prospective customers you have.

[Behindshadows]

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It's the 28th of August and at this point I've stop caring!

The marketing and development teams definitely don't care about this title and as 23 put it, it's most likely going to be canceled, they are just waiting for all the attention to go away so they can cancel it quietly.

Sad thing is Madden got ripped for years, even with mediocre product releases, they at least brought something out.

This year M13 is amazing and so was NCAA 13! So you would expect NBA to have a better outing than this mess, especially after no game in 2 years, looks like it's going to be even more years.

Now I'm kind of glad they didn't make a NCAA BB game, it would have been hideous, especially with NCAA BB 10 being such a good game.

Amazing, just amazing here we are and as fans and some haters! Are the only ones even talking about the game, since even the devs aren't doing that.

We should just do what we've done before, update the rosters on Live 10 and let this whole thread just fade into the dusk.....

All our hopes went up, just to go crashing back down.

[jreezy18]

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You don't think there's a bunch of people just waiting to buy an EA Sports basketball game? Especially in the iconic "Live" series? You are definitely mistaken. EA isn't some new kid on the block that needs to prove themselves. They have a huge catalog of games and history to back them up. They can wait until the last minute to release info if they want to.

This is so not true it's actually kind of funny. The amount of games a company has made has no bearing on what they must prove. If your games have been badly received year after year by not only press but customers as well you better believe you have something to prove. I'm sure a lot of people are well aware of the history of the NBA Live series, you think that matters? This isn't about the past but about the here and now. If EA is intent on keeping the series going they are the ones that need to prove that they can make a good sim basketball game, good enough to satisfy a majority of their demographic for this franchise.

[rangerrick012]

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You don't think there's a bunch of people just waiting to buy an EA Sports basketball game? Especially in the iconic "Live" series? You are definitely mistaken. EA isn't some new kid on the block that needs to prove themselves. They have a huge catalog of games and history to back them up. They can wait until the last minute to release info if they want to.

It's not like they're losing anything by waiting so long. In fact, if this really is part of their plan (again, I don't know as I don't work for EA), it's working if you ask me. Seems like people around here are very anxious about seeing new footage, to the point they're calling EA Sports out (lol) and making new threads, dissecting video of confirmed pre-alpha footage, etc. So like I said, I won't jump to conclusions that the game is being cancelled. I don't work for EA so I can't make those types of comments. I will just continue to patiently wait for new info.

Are you kidding me? Casual fans know how to use Youtube, and the last thing peple remember about EA basketball is Jesus Bynum and the joke that was the Elite demo. Since then their competition only put out two of the greatest bball games made (not perfect, but still great games). People aren't going to sit around waiting with bated breath for EA when they know that the other company has been killing it year after year.

And you and others really think EA's grand strategy to overcome that is by doing...wait for it...nothing? No vids, only a scant few screenshots, no commercials, we don't even have a concrete release date! How the hell is this genius marketing, when people don't even know when the hell the damn thing is supposed to be coming out? Sheesh!

And no I can't stop yelling, cause that's how I talk!

/SamuelJackson'd

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Anybody that thinks this is a successful strategy deserves to get greased up bent over and worked on

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[rangerrick012]

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Anybody that thinks this is a successful strategy deserves to get greased up bent over and worked on

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I along with a lot of others went to Gamestop last night for Madden release. When you're at the register they ask for preorders on the big releases - Fifa, Assasin's Creed 3, 2K13, Black Ops 2 - and of course no mention of Live 13. But this is all part of EA's grand plan, I guess.

I mean what are we talking about here people? A month away from the supposed release of a AAA game title and you can't even preorder it? Hell likek I said, the release date hasn't even been officially announced. In this day and age, that's unheard of. THAT's why people are skeptical, it has nothing to do with being a 2K fanboy/bashing EA at this point, it's just common sense that something doesn't smell right with Live 13.

Let's just say this, for posterity - not announcing a concrete release date for your game is a HORRIBLE marketing strategy. Not allowing your game to be preordered is a HORRIBLE marketing strategy. Not releasing any info about your game, even after a video comes out of said game that was horrible and you called 'pre alpha' is a HORRIBLE marketing strategy.

Can we please stop it with the 'this is EA's grand marketing plan' nonsense? Because everything I've learned about marketing and seen from how other companies - hell not even other companies, EA themselves - market games tells me that this is some pretty piss poor 'marketing' strategy, if it is their strategy to not release any info until literally the day before the game comes out.

[chrisc724]

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I just went to Gamestop yesterday, the guy working there said NBA Live pre-order was for January release...

[jreezy18]

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I mean what are we talking about here people? A month away from the supposed release of a AAA game title and you can't even preorder it?

This is the first time I've heard NBA Live 13 referred to as a AAA title. There's a certain level of marketing that comes with being a AAA release and NBA Live 13 just doesn't have it.

[Nathan_OS]

Only problem I see here is that people can't tell the difference between pre alpha and old build

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[CMH]

Only problem I see here is that people can't tell the difference between pre alpha and old build

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Nah. The real problem is we are still arguing opinion as fact.

But I enjoy reading the posts because it's entertainment from both sides of the court.


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