Its time, no more hiding

[KyotoCarl]

Re: Its time, no more hiding

BUT, after Elite people are still talking about this game. After EA, screwed us over people STILL talk about this game. People in THIS THREAD were talking about how their marketing strategies do not work but guess what they have you wondering about the game and STILL posting about this game for almost 3 YEARS. You have been posting around here about how EA has dropped the ball and how people blindly defend them while I will agree with that they have no excuse I do DISAGREE that their marketing strategy dose not work because they have YOU, ME and everyone else in this forum TALKING about this game at least.

Are you claiming that Elite was a part of grand marketing strategy?

On topic with Live 13: talking about something and buying are two different things. Releasing a sub-par showing and then being quiet and having people talking about it is not a wise strategy in my mind. Some people may buy the game as a novelty but they aren't gonna earn and money by doing this.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Its time, no more hiding

You dudes are a trip. You'll say anything to push your agendas. People "talking" about the game don't mean jack if they don't buy it in the end. This isn't a marketing ploy and it's damn sad that you guys are in here acting like people here at OS are spoiled like it's okay for this game to be a month out from release with not a drop of info available on it. It's not about OS not getting info early, this is not even considered early at this point. Early info is learning all kinds of info and videos in May or June prior to E3. You guys need to give this crap a rest.

[NoTiCe_O]

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That's not a good thing though.

Yesterday, I told my friends on Xbox (All 8 of them in the party) to go on youtube and check out NBA Live 13.

They thought it was a joke until I told them that's the real game. That's Live 13 in development.

They said it looked like ***.

Ever since then one of my friends has been getting every person on his friend's list to check out NBA Live 13 on youtube.

Needless to say those same sentiments have been echoed.

Which brings me back to my point. If your game gets the reputation of being a bad game....who's going to want to knowingly buy a bad game (Other than those that collect such things) when they hear praises being sung about the other? Think as if you were just a casual fan of basketball. Which game would you honestly pick and give a try before the other?

This right here is what's working in EA's favor.

Yea the game has a bad reputation right now, but that reputation is based off fluff and nothing official. Now when the Live actually does release some official info it could be good, and if that's the case then all the people who thought the game was bad would watch the official gameplay and be surprised and most likely have a change of opinion. Turning the tide in EA's favor.

If the official gameplay is bad then negative reputation will still be there, and (wise) people just won't buy the game.

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This right here is what's working in EA's favor.

Yea the game has a bad reputation right now, but that reputation is based off fluff and nothing official. Now when the Live actually does release some official info it could be good, and if that's the case then all the people who thought the game was bad would watch the official gameplay and be surprised and most likely have a change of opinion. Turning the tide in EA's favor.

If the official gameplay is bad then negative reputation will still be there, and (wise) people just won't buy the game.

Ea has nothing working in its favor

I know you want to believe that but this game will have less sales than songs last game at this point

If Sony had a game coming out people would talk but that's not a guaranteed sale and it's a not good ti continue to carry around a reputation of manure

After awhile it sticks

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[NoTiCe_O]

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You dudes are a trip. You'll say anything to push your agendas. People "talking" about the game don't mean jack if they don't buy it in the end. This isn't a marketing ploy and it's damn sad that you guys are in here acting like people here at OS are spoiled like it's okay for this game to be a month out from release with not a drop of info available on it. It's not about OS not getting info early, this is not even considered early at this point. Early info is learning all kinds of info and videos in May or June prior to E3. You guys need to give this crap a rest.

It's not pushing an agenda, its just telling it like it is. It's not just OS, but this whole generation, people are used to getting info at the click of a button, and when the info they want isn't being presented when they want it there's always gonna be strife.

Back in my Nintendo 64 and PS1 days I'd be shocked if I heard much about the game before I saw the commercial, but I know once I saw that commercial it was on. I was a kid at the time, but hearing about the game weeks before it came out was normal. Maybe NBA Live is just taking it back, why do people feel they deserve info from EA.

We deserve a solid game, and if Live delivers that then why does it matter how long it took them to tell us?

[DukeC]

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This right here is what's working in EA's favor.

Yea the game has a bad reputation right now, but that reputation is based off fluff and nothing official. Now when the Live actually does release some official info it could be good, and if that's the case then all the people who thought the game was bad would watch the official gameplay and be surprised and most likely have a change of opinion. Turning the tide in EA's favor.

If the official gameplay is bad then negative reputation will still be there, and (wise) people just won't buy the game.

You're still not thinking about the casual customer here. They've already seen the gameplay.

Why would they want to see more?

Furthermore, let's say EA isn't going to release information (which is the likely course it's taking right now). What's the last thing people are going to remember? That footage they saw earlier. Unless EA releases a better video...all people have to go off of is....what they've actually seen. EA can talk about improvements to thier game, you know, back of the box features....but what they're really going to remember is saying that gameplay where the ball didn't even hit the floor most of the time and the fact that everybody shot the same....

At this point...I fully expect that EA expects people to blind buy this game on the off chance they might think it's good.

[NoTiCe_O]

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Ea has nothing working in its favor

I know you want to believe that but this game will have less sales than songs last game at this point

If Sony had a game coming out people would talk but that's not a guaranteed sale and it's a not good ti continue to carry around a reputation of manure

After awhile it sticks

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That's why i said if the game is bad the (wise) people won't buy it.

But if the game is good (worth buying), it will get bought. Maybe sales won't generate at a fast pace, but if the game is good word will get around and sales will increase.

[DukeC]

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That's why i said if the game is bad the (wise) people won't buy it.

But if the game is good (worth buying), it will get bought. Maybe sales won't generate at a fast pace, but if the game is good word will get around and sales will increase.

That's not neccasarily the case either. Will the game be bought by gamers who buy mainly sports games? Maybe. Most likely it won't reach the masses.

Perfect example of a game not getting good sales (despite being universally acclaimed by critics) is Psychonauts. Go look it up in your free time. There are tons of good games going un-bought simply because the marketing wasn't a strong enough presence. EA's not having a strong enough presence on the casuals.

Anyone who signs up on OS (a SPORTS gaming website/forum/review website) can not be called a casual.

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That's why i said if the game is bad the (wise) people won't buy it.

But if the game is good (worth buying), it will get bought. Maybe sales won't generate at a fast pace, but if the game is good word will get around and sales will increase.

You're living under a rock dude

Live 10 was their best game and it didn't sell well

Coming off a cancellation it's just not going to happen

It wasn't just the footage it was reported in big game media kotaku ign os....there is nothing that says sales here especially not last minute

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[NoTiCe_O]

Re: Its time, no more hiding

You're still not thinking about the casual customer here. They've already seen the gameplay.

Why would they want to see more?

Furthermore, let's say EA isn't going to release information (which is the likely course it's taking right now). What's the last thing people are going to remember? That footage they saw earlier. Unless EA releases a better video...all people have to go off of is....what they've actually seen. EA can talk about improvements to thier game, you know, back of the box features....but what they're really going to remember is saying that gameplay where the ball didn't even hit the floor most of the time and the fact that everybody shot the same....

At this point...I fully expect that EA expects people to blind buy this game on the off chance they might think it's good.

But who knows if that gameplay represents the final product, no one but EA; it was leaked because it wasn't supposed to be seen. If it was official then you could say you know what your gonna get. A ton of improvement can be made from pre-alpha to release.

And honestly, the casual gamer probably hasn't even seen that leaked footage. Yea, people are gonna go buy what they last saw, but if EA's official gameplay and trailers are good then what can be said?

Are you gonna base your opinion of the house you want to buy off the blue prints, and some framework that's been done or are you gonna wait until the house is officially done and check it out for yourself to see if it what you want.

[NoTiCe_O]

Re: Its time, no more hiding

You're living under a rock dude

Live 10 was their best game and it didn't sell well

Coming off a cancellation it's just not going to happen

It wasn't just the footage it was reported in big game media kotaku ign os....there is nothing that says sales here especially not last minute

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Thing is i'm not talking about the sales, but rather the future of the game and its quality. I'm pretty sure the Live team knows there not going to hit record sales or even outsell 2k this year anyways, but to put out a fundamental and quality game that people can enjoy should be the main goal. If someone is gonna skip a good game because they don't like the company who produces it then their loss.

Word of mouth is one of the most powerful ways to market, look at how many people check reviews before they buy something. If this game turns out to be a solid game, then people who buy it will tell others its good, and that can only be a good thing for the Live team.

[Boilerbuzz]

...once the demo comes out I BET the NBA Live thread will have more comments then the 2K one because people STILL care about it and want live to become a good game.

Really? Unless because it was utter trash, I can not see this. I'd take that bet if I trusted you to not welch.

[Big Jim]

Re: Its time, no more hiding

Explain NBA Elite then

Explain that CRAP to us

All this game needs is one Hardtimes8 video and EA is out of the game for another 2 years

And so what? Does anyone really care if they don't get the opportunity to buy a bad game?

If the game is good, people will buy it. If it is not they will have EXACTLY what they have right now.

I think you can make a strong case that the game could be DOA, or even be vaporware. But who cares? They have not taken money for it yet.

But this kind of thread, calling out EA for "hiding," is an immature joke. All it does is tell EA that there are people dying to watch their commercials. It seriously blows me away how gamers demand to have publishers cram marketing BS down their throats.

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Thing is i'm not talking about the sales, but rather the future of the game and its quality. I'm pretty sure the Live team knows there not going to hit record sales or even outsell 2k this year anyways, but to put out a fundamental and quality game that people can enjoy should be the main goal. If someone is gonna skip a good game because they don't like the company who produces it then their loss.

Word of mouth is one of the most powerful ways to market, look at how many people check reviews before they buy something. If this game turns out to be a solid game, then people who buy it will tell others its good, and that can only be a good thing for the Live team.

Ea isn't going after 2ks market they're going after a market that doesn't give ten craps about their game

They have yet to our out a quality game and it's not looking good now and word if mouth is against them

Seriously you can't be this out of touch

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[Boilerbuzz]

BUT, after Elite people are still talking about this game. After EA, screwed us over people STILL talk about this game. People in THIS THREAD were talking about how their marketing strategies do not work but guess what they have you wondering about the game and STILL posting about this game for almost 3 YEARS. You have been posting around here about how EA has dropped the ball and how people blindly defend them while I will agree with that they have no excuse I do DISAGREE that their marketing strategy dose not work because they have YOU, ME and everyone else in this forum TALKING about this game at least.

You miss one important point: the reason people are here is because of a "leak". An accident. Not marketing. The only tie to marketing is the lack of it. None of these larger discussions happen without that leak. Even this thread would die sooner if not for the leak. And if you think that leak was on purpose, then an intentional leak is even a worse sign.