The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

[pacsun]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

To talk about recruiting for a second, when i look at the enormous amount of 5 and 4 star players, i cant help but think the number is ridiculous, usually only 25 players are 5 star all americans and maybe 50 more 4 stars.... should i bother even giving scholarships to anyone under a 4 star, and im at a bcs conference school? will they just be able to walk-on?

[ehh]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

^ You need to download the patch, it fixes that. There are 20-25 five-star recruits each year post-patch.

[sooners52794]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

huh? i haventy been able to dl the patch but i know for a fact that there are ALWAYS 25 5 stars, 24 hs all americans (seniors), rarely there will be a 4 star all american, but rarely. maybe you are looking at juco's and undefclassmen? because thats what the patch lowered the amount of, the hs seniors are fine.

[sonny526]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

^ You need to download the patch, it fixes that. There are 20-25 five-star recruits each year post-patch.

I tried to download the patch. I get on xbox live but no update is there. Am I doing something wrong? I know I do not have the patch because in my legacy there are more then 30 5*. Please help!

[moe_42]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

Its the hot/cold meter. Red means the player is hot and you should get him the ball. Blue means the player is ice cold.

The yellow cell phone bar shows you the players "sweet" spots. When its full then that player likes to shoot from that spot. When its empty the opposite is true.

If the circle under a player flashes red, the player has lost a point of stamina; when it flashes green, the player has gained stamina (usually only happens with sixth man).

[spit_bubble]

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PLAYS FOR THE CPU, PART 2

I went back through all the plays, testing them out against both man and the 2-3 zone to see which ones work best for the CPU. I started to test them versus the 2-3 matchup, but that defense is so erratic it's hard to really tell what works and what doesn't.

Here's the results, divided by who the play is primarily for... So when you set up a playbook for the CPU it's best to choose at least a few plays for each position:

PG

vs MAN
PG Clearout (1-4 High)
PG Post Up (baseline 1)
PG Loop (Motion 3)
PG Combo (Motion 4)

vs 2-3
SG Stagger (Motion 5)
C-SG Flash (triangle 5)

vs Both
none

SG

vs MAN
SG Wing Iso (1-4 High)
SG-PF Two Man (Box)
PG Choice (Flex 2)
Guard Pick & Fade (Flex 3)
SG Stagger (Motion 5)
SG Low Post (UCLA)
Wing Exchange (triangle 3)

vs 2-3
Baseline Curl (1-4 High)
Zip (1-4 High)
Rollback (Motion 2)
PG Combo (Motion 4)
Hawk (Motion 4)
24 Motion (4 Out Post)
Quick Hit (3 Out 2 In)
C Playmaker (triangle 3)
SG Corner 3 (triangle 7)

vs Both
Double Cross (1-4 High)
Cal-Wheat (Box)

SF

vs MAN
PG-SF Pick & Roll (baseline 1)
SF Post High (Box)
SF Triple Screen (Box)
SF Iso Wing (Flex 1)
SF Low Post (UCLA)
PG Pick & Roll (UCLA)
Screen the Screener (UCLA)
SF Screen ISO (triangle 4)

vs 2-3
dribble motion (4 Out Low)
Wing Exchange (triangle 3)
SG Corner Pick (triangle 8)

vs Both
SF Popout (Box)
Cal-Wheat (Box)
SF Weakside (Motion 1)
SF 3pt Wing (Motion 4)
Baseline Stack (Motion 5) *fixed

PF

vs MAN
PF Screen Post (baseline 1)
PF Decision (baseline 1)
PG Choice (Flex 2)
PG-PF Pick & Roll (Flex 2)
PF Low Post (Flex 4)

vs 2-3
PF High Iso (triangle 1)
PF Double Screen (1-4 High)

vs Both
PF Pick & Post (1-4 High)

C

vs MAN
Screen Low (baseline 2)
Pick then Post (Box)
PG-C High Screen Roll (Flex 3)
Low 1 (Princeton)
C Playmaker (triangle 3)

vs 2-3
C Quick Post (triangle 5)

vs Both
C Low Block (triangle 3)

[moe_42]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

Koshi, you are a god.

[spit_bubble]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

Fixed a typo in the "PLAYS FOR THE CPU, PART 2".

Also, I started up my All Time Rosters for Legacy Mode project again. So folks with the PS3 version, be sure to hang on to it. The one catch is I'm kind of waiting to see if there's going to be a new version this fall, and if there is I'll probably stop.

Making teams is easy, especially the way I'm doing it: only nine players per team, and very little work done on player's faces. Teams I have done so far are:

Indiana
Michigan State
North Carolina
Illinois
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Ohio State
Villanova
UCLA
Washington

I'm trying to figure out a way to make it so scrub players don't get the post season awards...

Well, like I say... I'm kind of in waiting, to see about Choops 2K10, which I guess will be announced at E3 if at all.

[spit_bubble]

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PLAYS FOR THE CPU, PART 2

I edited out the play "PF Pop Clear (Box)" for the SG because the play mostly results in a shot for the PG, and not a very realistic one at that.

Also, I uploaded four playbooks to 2K Share (Playstation 3) if anyone is interested:

1. Hoya High Post - A balanced playbook featuring plays where big men come to the high post area.

2. Carolina - A balanced playbook featuring isolation plays.

3. Yellow Jacket - A balanced playbook featuring plays for 3pt shooters.

4. Heathcote - A balanced playbook featuring low post plays.

[moe_42]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

I edited out the play "PF Pop Clear (Box)" for the SG because the play mostly results in a shot for the PG, and not a very realistic one at that.

Also, I uploaded four playbooks to 2K Share (Playstation 3) if anyone is interested:

1. Hoya High Post - A balanced playbook featuring plays where big men come to the high post area.

2. Carolina - A balanced playbook featuring isolation plays.

3. Yellow Jacket - A balanced playbook featuring plays for 3pt shooters.

4. Heathcote - A balanced playbook featuring low post plays.

You make me wish I had a PS3 and/or an internet connection.

[tweadle]

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The Baseline Stack in the Motion 5 playbook is set up under plays for the SF in Koshi's PB breakdown. Against a 2-3 it actually sets up a wide open 3 point shot from the corner for the PG. I never use it for the SF but only for the PG to get the open look when I see the 2-3.

[spit_bubble]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

The Baseline Stack in the Motion 5 playbook is set up under plays for the SF in Koshi's PB breakdown. Against a 2-3 it actually sets up a wide open 3 point shot from the corner for the PG. I never use it for the SF but only for the PG to get the open look when I see the 2-3.

Those plays are listed as ones for the CPU, so they might work differently for when people use them themselves.

[tweadle]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

Those plays are listed as ones for the CPU, so they might work differently for when people use them themselves.

I know just a play I like to run that is very effective so thought I would throw it out there.
Great work btw, I still use the original 3 PB's you posted on 2K Share and the cpu plays much better in the half court utilizing their good players. I consistenty see the top 3 players on teams take the bulk of the shots.

[spit_bubble]

Re: The College Hoops 2K8 esoteric information thread (learn and discuss the arcane)

For moe_42 and other non-PS3 non-internet having folks:

Hoya High Post

1-4 High
Zip
PF Pick & Post

Baseline 2
Screen Low

Box
SG-PF Two Man
SF Post High
SF Triple Screen
Pick Then Post

Flex 2
PG Choice
PG-PF Pick & Roll

Flex 3
PG-C High Screen Roll

Motion 4
PG Combo

Motion 5
Baseline Stack

UCLA
Screen the Screener
SG Low Post

Princeton
Low 1

4-Out Low
dribble motion

Triangle 1
PF High Iso

Triangle 3
Wing Exchange
C Playmaker

Triangle 5
C-SG Flash

Heathcote

Baseline 1
PG Postup
PF Decision
PF Screen Post

Baseline 2
Screen Low

Box
SF Post High
Pick Then Post

Flex 4
PF Low Post

Motion 2
Rollback

Motion 3
PG Loop

Motion 4
PG Combo
Hawk

UCLA
SF Low Post
SG Low Post
Screen the Screener

4-Out Low
dribble motion

4-Out Post
24-Motion

Triangle 3
C Playmaker
C Low Block

Triangle 5
C Quick Post

Triangle 8
PF Double Screen

Yellow Jacket

1-4 High
PG Clearout
Double Cross
PF Pick & Post

Baseline 1
PF Screen Post

Box
SF Popout
Pick Then Post
Cal-Wheat

Flex 2
PG Choice
PG-PF Pick & Roll

Flex 3
Guard Pick & Fade
PG-C High Screen Roll

Motion 4
SF 3pt Wing

Motion 5
SG Stagger
Baseline Stack

Princeton
Low 1

Triangle 3
C Low Block
Wing Exchange

Triangle 5
C-SG Flash

Triangle 7
SG Corner 3

Triangle 8
PF Double Screen

Carolina

1-4 High
PG Clearout
SG Wing Iso
Double Cross

Baseline 1
PG-SF Pick & Roll
PF Screen Post
PF Decision

Box
Cal-Wheat
SF Popout

Flex 2
PG Choice
PG-PF Pick & Roll

Flex 3
Guard Pick & Fade

Princeton
Low 1

Triangle 3
C Low Block
C Playmaker
Wing Exchange

Triangle 4
SF Screen Iso

Triangle 5
C-SG Flash
C Quick Post

Triangle 8
SG Corner Pick
PF Double Screen

[spit_bubble]

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I edited out the play "PF Pop Clear (Box)" for the SG because the play mostly results in a shot for the PG, and not a very realistic one at that...

I have to say, on further review "PF Pop Clear (Box)" is a terrible play for the CPU to run. The thing is if the coach profile has "Box" as the playbook you'll still see this play run, because for whatever reason even if you have a custom playbook loaded you'll still see plays called from the coach profile playbook.

I highly recommend that people switch all the coaching profile playbooks that use "Box" to some other playbook. Seeing the PF come around to the FT line to catch the pass... Make a few jab steps... Then pass to the PG for an automatic shot (due to your guy always sagging off the PG) just makes for some ugly basketball.