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  • BraveHeart
    Pro
    • Feb 2009
    • 659

    #166
    Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

    Originally posted by strobox88
    Here's what I can offer after religiously playing this game for about 2 years now. Players leaving early is a combination of high OVR rating, high potential, high performance and luck getting a combination of those.

    When scouting recruits, look for the 5 star recruits that have "A" potential and up. Usually when scouting, providing you have a good scout, you'll be off by one letter grade from the actual potential rating. Ex. A recruit with "A" potential during recruitment will likely have "A-" potential when he's on your roster.

    The overall comes down to luck. You'll be hoping your player to be at least an 80+ OVR coming in. If he's an 80 OVR, it may take 2-3 years for him to leave if he's not already projected as a lottery pick. In most cases, even when freshman or sophomores are projected as lottery picks, they still don't leave because the way the game progresses (and doesn't regress players), those players will be top picks the following year. That's one of the main reasons it's hard to get players to leave early; their draft stock usually keeps going up the longer they stay. Players favor leaving as a Senior top pick as opposed to being a freshman First Round/Second Round projected prospect (likely due to the lower OVR being a freshman).

    Two nice tips on getting some recruit's OVR higher are to see if they are out of position, and do drills with them. Drills: If you do drills with players, you can get a player +2 OVR over the course of one season. The drills plus the high potential rating will make players progress even more quickly, so that's what makes this possible. In addition to that, if you are a decent coach, you can get players with high potential to increase their OVR by 3-4 points over the season by doing nothing (though you can assume team practice is the reason for the progression).

    I had a 6'5" PG I signed that was a 79 OVR. I switched his position to SG and he was an 82 coupled with an A- potential. He grew 5 OVR points over the season through just practice and drills and was an 87 OVR during the tourney projected as a lottery pick. Because he was the star of his team leading the team in points, had a decent stat line, and carried his team to the Final Four, he left for the draft his freshman year.

    That's just one scenario I experienced, but the bottom line is you have to groom these HS-All American studs into leaving early if you can. You may not always get a one-and-done, but you can definitely get many 2 or 3-and-dones.

    There's also an easier route through editing. If you're running an open legacy and want one-and-done players, edit the top 2 players for their position every year to at least an 84-85 OVR (at the start of the season so they continue to develop) and edit their potential to A+. If you do that, I'd say 80% of the time they will leave. I had a recruit with an 86 OVR and A potential leave after one year despite only being a sixth man.
    Thanks for the feedback. That's what I figured, but it's still not an exact science (and I actually like it like that). In my situation stated in the last post, the freshman came in at 6'1" 185lbs PG 85 OVR. I don't remember his potential, but I'd find it hard to believe it wasn't around A. The team struggled and limped into the tournament, but got knocked out after the second game. He wound up with freshman all-american honors and the freshman of the year award. He only managed 6.8 points per game but had a conference best 7.8 ast per game.

    The number 1 overall prospect of that year (my freshman who left early was number 2 overall) was a 86 ovr SG. His team made the NIT, and he won the same awards as my guy (excluding freshman of the year of course). With all of that and 15+ ppg, he stayed in school one more year.

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    • strobox88
      Rookie
      • Feb 2012
      • 429

      #167
      Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

      Originally posted by BraveHeart
      The number 1 overall prospect of that year (my freshman who left early was number 2 overall) was a 86 ovr SG. His team made the NIT, and he won the same awards as my guy (excluding freshman of the year of course). With all of that and 15+ ppg, he stayed in school one more year.
      What was this SG's potential? I notice highly rated underclassmen with average to above average potential (75-85) tend to stay in school. I remember UCLA got a PG that was the no.3 ovr in his class. He made it to an OVR of 90 as a Junior and stayed in school for his senior year. I checked is potential and it was about 80 (B- or C+).

      You're right; there is no clear-cut science behind it, but there are some factors that can increase your chances of it happening. There is definitely some randomness that goes along with it, though. The year I won my first championship with Kansas in one of my open legacies, I saved the game right after the game before I advanced to the awards, transfers, etc. I noticed after advancing a few times (by reloading my save), different players decided to leave early, leave school and transfer almost each and every time I reloaded the save.

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      • GSOT
        Rookie
        • Mar 2013
        • 18

        #168
        Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

        Just came up to the end of the 2012-2013 season and during the hire new assistant phase, I was looking through the available coaches and came across none other than Mike Rice. Got a good chuckle out of me. I actually hired him too since he was so much better than one of my other assistants. Hopefully the press doesn't beat me up to hard for it.

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        • BraveHeart
          Pro
          • Feb 2009
          • 659

          #169
          Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

          Originally posted by strobox88
          What was this SG's potential? I notice highly rated underclassmen with average to above average potential (75-85) tend to stay in school. I remember UCLA got a PG that was the no.3 ovr in his class. He made it to an OVR of 90 as a Junior and stayed in school for his senior year. I checked is potential and it was about 80 (B- or C+).

          You're right; there is no clear-cut science behind it, but there are some factors that can increase your chances of it happening. There is definitely some randomness that goes along with it, though. The year I won my first championship with Kansas in one of my open legacies, I saved the game right after the game before I advanced to the awards, transfers, etc. I noticed after advancing a few times (by reloading my save), different players decided to leave early, leave school and transfer almost each and every time I reloaded the save.
          Very interesting (especially the part about the transfers).

          What was this SG's potential? I notice highly rated underclassmen with average to above average potential (75-85) tend to stay in school.
          Can't remember, but I'm guessing it had to be high since he left the next year as a soph.

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          • Kriech23
            MVP
            • Feb 2009
            • 2302

            #170
            Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

            Ranked #11 in both polls, Boston College gets the fourth #1 seed in my 2010-11 season.

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            • wdtd31
              Rookie
              • Apr 2013
              • 14

              #171
              Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

              guess I will have to pay a bit more attention when I get longer in my legacy to see some of this stuff go on!

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              • Brock
                MVP
                • Apr 2008
                • 1442

                #172
                Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                Bump.

                Interested in seeing more interesting events happening in you guy's legacies.

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                • jcofor25
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 302

                  #173
                  Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                  Don't know if you guys had assistants leave but mine left for the school I started with O.o
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                  • baccVols
                    V*lSt*r
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2380

                    #174
                    Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                    Originally posted by waytofailself
                    One thing i learned and one game that made me angry.

                    What i learned: if you to an early season tournament that schedules additional games if you win, the game will not check for conflicts. It is possible to play two games on the same day even if they are in different ooc tournaments.

                    Frustrating game: i had some video game crap happen in one game. I was shutting my opponent down wonderfully but the game stayed way too close becuase my team was just off. No one could hit threes, which happens. However, my team was also super slow. Every single one of them.

                    But things got worse in the closing minutes. On one inbound pass, my pg fell over before the ball got to him. My opponent was not pressing and no one was near him. On a later, more critical possession, i did another inbound pass after my opponent bit a big shot to tie the game. My pg was running across the middle of the court to court to catch the ball in stride and avoid the press. While the ball was in the air, the game cut to a highlight of my opponent's bucket. When it cut back to on court game play, i heard a whistle and my pg was out of bounds.

                    The replay showed my pg and the basketball teleporting to the sideline and my pg running out of bounds. wtf

                    Of course, the game went to overtime. I was nursing a small lead and was caught in the press. I use icon passing and tried to pass to my small forward to (x button on the 360). With the icons up, my pg tried to beat the prsss by attempting a 3/4 court shot.

                    This game normally runs so smoothly. I have never had one contest have so much buggy behavior.
                    sounds like your boys were out drinking at the club all night!!!!!!!!! get control of your kids coach

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                    • baccVols
                      V*lSt*r
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2380

                      #175
                      Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                      Originally posted by sportsbuck
                      Thad Matta got fired at Ohio State after 16 seasons (and missing the tournament for the last 8, including a 3-27 final season), and I took over for him at my dream school.

                      After a year off, he got the job at Saint Louis and turned them into a power in short order. They went 32-6 this season, advancing to the Elite Eight.

                      Neat to see big-time coaches turning a lower program around.
                      Calapari is currently coach at pepperdine in mine. im always watching to see what they do. theyve been top 5 in mid Major poll since he took over

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                      • jwill_23
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 150

                        #176
                        Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                        In my second year with Florida A&M open legacy, UNC has signed 6 of the top 15 recruits in the nation during the early signing period. If ol' Roy Williams does not win a championship with this bunch, he may get fired. The previous season they were bounced from the tournament in the second round. His approval rating is near 50 percent for this season.

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                        • strobox88
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 429

                          #177
                          Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                          Originally posted by jwill_23
                          In my second year with Florida A&M open legacy, UNC has signed 6 of the top 15 recruits in the nation during the early signing period. If ol' Roy Williams does not win a championship with this bunch, he may get fired. The previous season they were bounced from the tournament in the second round. His approval rating is near 50 percent for this season.
                          That's interesting because in my legacies, UNC always struggles to recruit because Duke gets all the top recruits in the region.

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                          • Brock
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 1442

                            #178
                            Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                            Has anyone else seen the explosion of top Canadian prospects in their games. It's just like real-life. In my game nearly 30 years in, I've seen a couple of top american prospects being pushed to #25 in rankings and still be All-American's due to great Canadian ballers. Also a couple of years prior the #1 recruit in the nation was Canadian

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                            • jcofor25
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 302

                              #179
                              Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                              ARNAUD DASILVA IS DRAINING IT FROM 3!
                              5-7 just at the half with a Jimmer Freddette style buzzer beater to close the half.
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                              • jwill_23
                                Rookie
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 150

                                #180
                                Re: Interesting things that's happened in legacy.

                                Originally posted by strobox88
                                That's interesting because in my legacies, UNC always struggles to recruit because Duke gets all the top recruits in the region.
                                Duke was 2 games above .500 before entering the ACC tournament. They defeated UNC in the championship game to make it to the big dance. The reason why Duke did not recruit well was because the whole team came back for Coach K. I figured they wanted to redeem their terrible regular season for their coach. So far into this year's season, they are ranked in the top ten, and Kyle Singler is having a POY type of year.

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