***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

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  • ZB9
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    #1966
    Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

    Originally posted by toneloc99
    I think that is more a fact of Dirk's non-existent passing. His numbers for the series are somewhat decent, but he is averaging 2 assists a game and only shooting 40% from the field. He is being outmatched and outplayed on both ends. Warriors are really exposing him defensively where he has always been pretty terrible by isolating him and going at him off the dribble. Which usually ends up in a layup or a wide open 3 pointer. Then they are exposing him offensively by double-teaming him anytime he dribbles causing him to pass the ball something he is not every good at. BTW those thinking this is some kind of fluke or the Warriors are lucky need a reality check. Warriors have beaten the Mavs 9 out of the past 11 times they have played the past two seasons.
    yea, his passing has been more of an issue than anything in this series imo. His passing hasnt been nearly as good as it was during the regular season.

    It seemed as though Dirk had really improved that part of his game this year and became a solid passer, but i guess that was premature.

    ...but with that said, it doesnt matter if you make a good pass if someone misses a wide open shot. The Mavs chose the wrong time to be off with their shooting.
    Last edited by ZB9; 04-30-2007, 03:49 PM.

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    • Kashanova
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      #1967
      Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

      Originally posted by ZB9
      the entire team has been missing

      Dirk needed to step up and have a better game last night, but he still had 23 points/15 boards/and 4 steals. The Mavs should be able to win with that production from Dirk.

      Considering all the attention the Warriors have been paying to Dirk in this series, the court has been open quite often for his teammates . The rest of the roster needs to shoot better from the inside and the outside...Dirk has been getting the ball out, but he needs to be as accurate on his passes as he was in the regular season. He hasnt been as accurate in his passes this series. but Dirk isnt going to score 35 with all of the doubles and triples that the Warriors are sending at him.
      before he made those two 3's he had like 17 with a minute left, he should of had way more points

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      • ZB9
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        #1968
        Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

        Originally posted by Kashanova
        before he made those two 3's he had like 17 with a minute left, he should of had way more points
        you mean the 2 threes that closed the deficit to one possession?

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        • Kashanova
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          #1969
          Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

          Originally posted by ZB9
          you mean the 2 threes that closed the deficit to one possession?
          yeah those but im saying before those he should of had more, they putting smaller guys on him sometimes davis ends up guarding him

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          • ZB9
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            #1970
            Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

            Originally posted by Kashanova
            yeah those but im saying before those he should of had more, they putting smaller guys on him sometimes davis ends up guarding him
            yea, smaller guys PLURAL. They were sending two and sometimes rolling three smaller guys at him for most of the game, and its been that way for most of the series. Hes not going to score 35 being doubled and tripled so often.

            but i agree that Dirk should have had more points. He did get quite a few opportunities that he should have converted.

            edit: btw, people are concentrating on what the Mavs havent done and granted they havent shot well, but people arent mentioning that GS is shooting absolutely lights out whether contested or not. Ive rarely seen a team shoot as well as the Warriors have been this series. Its hard to beat a team that shoots like that. Dallas used to have games like that when Nellie was coach, but they couldnt do it as many games in a row against the favored team. It will be interesting if the Warriors can keep it up (actually, it probably doesnt matter now because the Warriors only have to have one more game where they shoot lights out and that is bound to happen)
            Last edited by ZB9; 04-30-2007, 04:15 PM.

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            • Blaxican8504
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              #1971
              Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

              Originally posted by ZB9
              you mean the 2 threes that closed the deficit to one possession?
              Whichever way you want to spin it, they were his first 2 threes of the series. And honestly, without any timeouts and having to foul the Warriors each time they had the ball, the game was already over.

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              • ZB9
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                #1972
                Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                Originally posted by Blaxican8504
                Whichever way you want to spin it,
                Originally posted by ZB9

                but i agree that Dirk should have had more points. He did get quite a few opportunities that he should have converted.
                you didnt read my post

                Originally posted by Blaxican
                they were his first 2 threes of the series.
                so should he shoot more threes or go closer to the hoop? people need to make up their minds.

                he actually hasnt shot that many threes this series, but yea he should have made one before this game obviously.

                Originally posted by Blaxican
                And honestly, without any timeouts and having to foul the Warriors each time they had the ball, the game was already over.
                if Avery would have saved a time out, the Mavs would have been able to advance the ball to half court and might have been able to tie it with 4 seconds left. Dirk has tied games like that quite a few times
                Last edited by ZB9; 04-30-2007, 04:27 PM.

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                • WTF
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                  #1973
                  Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                  Avery managed the timeouts the best they could. What killed them in the TO department is when Sjax tipped the ball into the backcourt, and Jason Terry was forced to use a timeout.

                  I don't necessarily think that's mismanagement on Avery's part. Just part of the game.

                  I don't want this series to end though. I don't care who wins, but it's a great series.
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                  • Blaxican8504
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                    #1974
                    Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                    Originally posted by ZB9
                    you didnt read my post

                    so should he shoot threes or post em low? people need to make up their minds.

                    he actually hasnt shot that many threes this series, but yea he should have made one before this game obviously.

                    if Avery would have saved a time out, the Mavs would have been able to advance the ball to half court and might have been able to tie it with 4 seconds left. Dirk has tied games like that quite a few times
                    I was typing my response while you were typing yours and didnt see it until after. So, my apologies.

                    He should do both actually. It would make him tougher to defend.

                    I think the timeout Jason Terry had to burn when he picked up the ball in the backcourt was CRUCIAL.

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                    • Quick6
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                      #1975
                      Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                      Hmm I wonder why it's so hard for the Mavs to get decent shots and flow in their offense? Oh yeah they let the best PG in the NBA go, that's right. In all seriousness if the Mavs still had Nash they would have already beaten the Warriors or at least been up 3-1 instead of vice versa, Jason Terry who some believe is a better player than Nash (hold you laughter it's true, silly Mav fans) is playing terrible, isn't setting anyone up and isn't doing anything worth while on the court and Devon Harris is too worried about winning the academy award in the "act like you have dynamite on your chest when a guys bumps into you" catagory. The lack of a true point guard to get the scorers on that team involved is hurting them. Would Nash have stopped Davis, HELL NO, but he would have made Davis work 10 times as hard on D therefore affecting Davis' offense (not to mention Davis' knack for picking up cheap fouls). Plus the easy shots he gets for people would have made it easier for Dirk and company to get rolling, the Mavs are playing too much one on one offense and it isn't working. Hows ol Cuban and all the Mav fans gonna react when Nash leads the Suns to the Finals? Hell maybe after this season the Suns can work out a trade to bring Dirk where he belongs, on the Suns. Marion and Diaw plus Atlanta's 1st rounder for Dirk, sounds good to me!
                      Last edited by Quick6; 04-30-2007, 04:11 PM.

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                      • Quick6
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                        #1976
                        Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                        Originally posted by toneloc99
                        I think that is more a fact of Dirk's non-existent passing. His numbers for the series are somewhat decent, but he is averaging 2 assists a game and only shooting 40% from the field. He is being outmatched and outplayed on both ends. Warriors are really exposing him defensively where he has always been pretty terrible by isolating him and going at him off the dribble. Which usually ends up in a layup or a wide open 3 pointer. Then they are exposing him offensively by double-teaming him anytime he dribbles causing him to pass the ball something he is not every good at. BTW those thinking this is some kind of fluke or the Warriors are lucky need a reality check. Warriors have beaten the Mavs 9 out of the past 11 times they have played the past two seasons.
                        You need to blame alot of it on Jason Terry's terrible play, yeah he score 19 a game, but 3.8 assists a game? He's not getting his team involved, instead he's jacking up almost 7 three pointers a game and making less than 2. The Mavs need someone to stop trying to play like Baron Davis or Allen Iverson, they need a floor general and Terry is not it.

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                        • Air23
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                          #1977
                          Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                          Originally posted by toneloc99
                          Here is a better one.





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                          • SteelersFreak
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                            • May 2004
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                            #1978
                            Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                            Originally posted by BigTigLSU
                            Not that this is about the refs but man Dirk has to be one worse leaders.
                            How the hell is he a bad leader? Because he's getting played very well by the Warriors best defender(s) and Nelly knows his game to a tee and can play him perfectly? Yeah, Dirk's a horrible leader.

                            The Dirk hate is unbelievable. I swear, the man could make a game winning three and ya'll would say he shoots too much. The man has a wonderful jump shot, much better than almost every single guard in the entire National Basketball Association. Try to explain to me why he shouldn't shoot the ball a lot.

                            Mods, let's just rename this thread to the "Dirk Sucks, Let's Make Fun of Him" thread.

                            Also, Quick6, once again, please stop gulping large amounts of Haterade.. Stop criticizing the Mavericks players. You want to know why they aren't winning this series? They aren't getting it done on the court. Dirk isn't. Stack isn't. JET isn't. Nobody is, it's not one player's fault, it's the team's fault, including the coaching staff. Don't say that the Mavericks are losing because they gave Nash up three years ago.
                            Last edited by SteelersFreak; 04-30-2007, 04:38 PM.
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                            • roadman
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                              #1979
                              Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                              The difference I've seen with Dirk regular season vs Dirk this series is he doesn't seem to have the confidence in his shot or game going. He has uncharacteristically missed free throws, he doesn't have the quickness to drive by GS, and Davis 6-4 frame has soared over Dirk's when Davis drives to the hoop.

                              Dirk is a HOF, no doubt, but it's showtime in the playoffs and so far, I haven't seen the showtime in Dirk. You need to take it a notch above the regular season.

                              The Mavs are still in it, it's time everyone raises their game to a higher level.

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                              • SteelersFreak
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                                #1980
                                Re: ***Official 2007 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread***

                                Originally posted by roadman
                                The difference I've seen with Dirk regular season vs Dirk this series is he doesn't seem to have the confidence in his shot or game going. He has uncharacteristically missed free throws, he doesn't have the quickness to drive by GS, and Davis 6-4 frame has soared over Dirk's when Davis drives to the hoop.

                                Dirk is a HOF, no doubt, but it's showtime in the playoffs and so far, I haven't seen the showtime in Dirk. You need to take it a notch above the regular season.

                                The Mavs are still in it, it's time everyone raises their game to a higher level.
                                I agree 110%. Dirk definitely needs to step it up, but I think he's getting a lot of unfair criticism.

                                Nelly and the Warriors have done an outstanding job of defensing him and I think it would be hard for any player to do well against what they are throwing at him. Not too mention the fact that Nelly knows him and his game just as well as anyone in the league.
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